Past Present and in Between in Pictures (Part 2)

Southland South Island New Zealand Buzzer.
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British Road Services 4x4 Bedford lime spreader, BRS were involved in a lot of transportation but lime spreading I very much doubt.

I don’t see why not. I do remember Bedford Qs like that lime-ing the land in the Midlands when I was a kid, but I can’t remember if they were BRS. But in rural areas lightweight BRS Thornycrofts, Austins and the like were bringing in loose (stooked) hay off the fields and engaging in harvest fieldwork.

Corgi even made a model of it, complete with lime patina!

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Few more, Buzzer



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Yes, misread the connection between Foden and ERF alleging the latter predated the former, never made the connection between SedAck and Atkinson even though featuring an Atki later, never made the connection between the Big J Guy and Jaguar which is where the J came from, while ignoring the best non-sleeper cab of all, its predecessor the Invincible, and what was that bull about the plastic false grill of the Mk 2 Atki? Oh yes no mention of the significance of the enlarged T in the middle of Antar which described its origin as a Thornycroft.
All thrown together by an ignorant schoolboy.

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Or AI on each truck, then stitched together by someone more interested in producing content, than the actual subject. The pictures were good though.

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Love the AEC Mk5 with an 8m (24-foot) [if I’m correct] tilt trailer.

Me too, i had that cab on a tipper for Wimpy, thought I was king of the, err mud track, building the M1 past Nottingham. :grinning:

Now you have used the word, do you know the origins of the word ‘tilt’? I first heard the word long before I saw one but never knew how it came about.

We have had this conversation before, but I don’t remember seeing an origin for it.
I do remember that it appears in one of Thomas Hardy’s Wessex Tales. I think it refers to a tilt trailer belonging to the raddleman.

The above pic has been taken from the book “BRS The early years” by Arthur Ingram and Gordon Mustoe. Another pic taken from this book explains it.

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I think I read, probably on these pages, that tilt originated, or was used for canvass covered barges, in their heyday. That being the case, “tilt” well and truly predates truck useage.

From wiki about the “wild west” covered wagons
" A covered wagon , also called a prairie wagon , whitetop ,[1] or prairie schooner ,[2] is a horse-drawn or ox-drawn wagon used for passengers or freight hauling. It has a canvas, tarpaulin, or waterproof sheet which is stretched over removable wooden bows (also called hoops or tilts) and lashed to the body of the wagon.[3][4][5][6] They were a popular style of vehicle for overland migrations."

They call the support frame work for the canvas the tilt, not the cover itself. Easy to see how the frame and the cover would become refered to by the same term over time.

Interesting, and as you have raised the subject of covered wagons, do you recognise the word ‘conestogas’? I ask because it rings a bell and I thought it referred to those covered wagons and, nowadays, it is used by US hauliers to describe a flat deck trailer with a folding frame which runs back and forth on rails each side. Also on railway wagons. I have seen them in S. Wales I think on proper coil carrier trailers. Anything?

When I joined Toray and was wrestling with the design of the best swap boxes for our job, my boss, who was not a transport man, asked if such a thing was possible. Completely forgetting what I had seen in S. Wales I brushed his ignorance aside saying loftily ‘oh no, that wouldn’t work’ and almost added, quoting Cpt. Mainwaring of Warmington on Sea ‘I think you are are drifting into the realms of fantasy there Baker’. But I didn’t, and I believe he never found out that he may have had a point. :smiling_face:

Some more extracts from the BRS book


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“Conestoga” is a new one to me.
Wiki says (thank you Jimmy) that the wagon might have been named after the Conestoga River in the US, and that
“The stream was named after the Iroquoian-speaking Susquehannock people.”
So I would suggest that Conestoga name will not traced back to Europe, although the wagon design might.

For @spardo

Edit to add.
I think it is Diggory Venn in Return of the Native who drives a tilt wagon, but I don’t have a copy here to check.

Sounds likely, I’ll ask my mates on the other side if they know. :wink:

Interestingly, we have an uncommon flat trailer with permanent bows and canvass, running in tracks, usually carting steel; they are referred to as prairie trailers. The canvass is never properly tight.

Like this?

I have seen a few very clever trailers, that are the newer 13.5m long ones, which enable the tautliner superstructure to concertina up to the headboard and allow a 40’ box to be loaded.
I don’t know about cost, weights, ease of use, or how well they stand up to every day knocks etc! I’ll look for a piccie.

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Very similar, but without the posts on the back, which look likewinching posts. I think ours move more like a tautliner curtain. I’ve never used one.

Right here is the good oil straight from Supersnackbar who lives in Florida but hauls various trailers including conestogers all over the States.

When I was in school, the wagons the pioneers used to settle the west were known as conestoga wagons. We even have a restaurant in my area that is called Conestogas, the main entrance and their logo is a horse drawn wagon

I’ll just let the applause die down before going back a little later on to see if anyone disagrees with him, but I’m pretty sure it’s the truth.

The steel carrier you picture is similar to what he showed me and is simply called a covered wagon, but the frame doesn’t slide like a conestoga and has a rounded roof, not high, and the sheet/tarp is secured by bungee straps along the sides.