Good evening folks.
I recently parked overnight at rivington services on the M61.
I didn’t pay.
It’s my own motor, and it’s a ltd company.
Anyone know if they still need the drivers name to be successful.
I know things changed after a high court ruling.
But, if they need the drivers name and I dont supply it, ard they buggerood?
Yes you have to give the driver names.
We are a truck hire company, we get the notices daily. And for London and bus lanes etc.
So we send the letter onto the user. It’s only a stab in the dark, would end up paying?
That I had no idea. Google it.
Sorry I can’t be more help.
Cheers,
Welly.
Dunno, but Parking Eye have a reputation for following through and taking people to court, against the common view that these companies give up if you just ignore the letters.
Bad luck!
Have a look on pepipoo.com Parking Eye do court
Depending which notice they send they can legally hold the keeper liable. Ignore is not an option.
As far as I am aware they are not interested in the driver, they will take the company to court that owns the vehicle & will more than likely win, which will cause you the company official more grief, why not just pay it in the first place…
Hopefully you won’t hear from them, but if they do bill you ignoring their letters is no longer the best way forward.
You choose to park there, and choose not to pay. Now your crying…
Boohoo.
Send it back
Mr philp Flopski
Valdski Strauss
Warsaw
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Poland
As an aside, has anybody ever stayed in a travelodge or such, where the parking is ‘controled’ by parkingeye, and been send a fraudulent "parking g charge notice "?
Over the years we have three times, and every time , as is procedure, entred the registration of the van at reception.
Every time, parkingeye send me a “parking charge notice”, for non payment of parking fee. On one occasion it took three emails from travelodge to get parkingeye to drop it. I wonder how many of these they sent out, just on the off chance that people pay up, without checking, or because they no longer have proof that they stayed at the lodge. It’s high time that these kind of cowboys are put out of business.
the nodding donkey:
You choose to park there, and choose not to pay. Now your crying…Boohoo.
What are you talking about?
No tears, just asking a ■■■■■■■ question.
2at.
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Send it back
Mr philp Flopski
Valdski Strauss
Warsaw
2345678
Poland
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+1
thats how it works.
if you ever need proof,then he only worked for you for 3 days,dumped the truck and vanished after nicking your diesel ect.
make sure you pick a valid address wherever it is,either abroad or even southern ireland…anything outside the uk is fair game and unenforceable.
if their enforcement goes after the owner then if thats legal then your stuffed anyway.
Look on Facebook for a group called “Fight your private parking invoice” for advice, as Robroy states ignoring it is no longer the the thing to do, and Parking Eye have a high rate of pursuing people in the courts.
As for the other charlatans who deal with these invoices
Here’s a fixed advice post from the above group
What the Parking Companies and the Debt Collectors do not want you to know
The “Dirty Little Secret” of the private parking industry has now been exposed for all to see. DEBT COLLECTORS LIE. Without exception, ALL DEBT COLLECTORS INVOLVED IN THE PRIVATE PARKING INDUSTRY ARE TIME-WASTERS who will lie and cheat to try to get you to pay up their vastly inflated, abusive and harassing demands.
Remember this – this is rule 1 – Debt Collectors LIE!
Whenever people receive Debt Collector letters they send a shiver down the spine. They are designed to. With their wild threats of County Court Judgments, Bailiffs seizing your goods, your credit rating being damaged by a CCJ etc, these letters are designed to harass, alarm and distress.
When you consider that this is probably over a parking ticket of £100 or less, it sounds utterly mad that all of these things would happen if you do not pay up.And, what they don’t want you to know is that these things CAN’T happen.
DEBT COLLECTORS IN WORKING FOR THE PARKING INDUSTRY CANNOT DO ANY OF THE FOLLOWING.
THEY CAN’T TAKE YOU TO COURT – ONLY THE PARKING COMPANY CAN DO THAT
THEY CAN’T “SEND ROUND THE BOYS” – THAT CAN ONLY HAPPEN IF YOU LOSE AT COURT AND FAIL TO PAY AND THE PARKING COMPANY DECIDES TO USE BAILIFFS TO ENFORCE, WHICH IS VERY RARE INDEED.
THEY CAN’T AFFECT YOUR CREDIT RATING – PARKING “DEBT” IS NOT REGULATED, SO CANNOT BE RECORDED WITH THE CREDIT REFERENCE AGENCIES UNLESS THEY TAKE YOU TO COURT FIRST. THEY CAN’T PROSECUTE YOU – EXCEPT IN VERY SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES, PARKING CHARGES ARE CIVIL DEBTS, SO THERE IS NO CRIMINAL OFFENCE FOR NOT PAYING.THEY CAN’T SIMPLY ADD CHARGES ON WILLY-NILLY. IF YOU ARE THE KEEPER OF A VEHICLE, THE ONLY SUM THAT ANYONE CAN LAWFULLY PURSUE YOU FOR IS THE UNPAID COST OF THE ORIGINAL PARKING CHARGE NOTICE – NO MORE THAN £100.
The most common debt collection companies in the Parking Industry are Debt Recovery Plus (who also trade as Zenith Collections), DCBL, Equita, ZZPS and Trace Recoveries.
Debt Recovery Plus
Debt Recovery Plus (DRP) will claim in their letters that they have been assigned a debt by the parking company. Do you remember rule 1? Debt Collectors LIE. DRP has not been assigned anything, because it’s against the law for a parking company to assign a debt. So your letter from DRP saying the debt has been assigned to them for collection is A LIE.
DRP will normally send you 2-3 letters, with threats, cajoling, offers of lesser settlements, threats that they “may” take you to court. Remember rule 1?
After DRP has tried, you will receive, out of the blue, a letter on different letterhead, apparently from another company called Zenith Collections. This will claim that Zenith has now been assigned the debt. Remember rule 1? Zenith is a trading name of DRP, so they cannot have been assigned the debt if they already had it, which, they don’t and never did.
DRP and Zenith make money a simple way – they demand more than the original debt from you and get to keep the difference between the £60 original parking charge and the £160+ they claim is due. This means that if you pay DRP £160 when you receive their letter, the parking company gets £60, and DRP keeps £100. Remember rule 1? Now you can see WHY they lie.
DCBL
Then we have DCBL, the company in Channel 5’s docu-drama , Can’t pay, We’ll take it away. DCBL dip their toes into private parking and act as debt collectors; Because of their TV reputation it’s deliberately calculated to scare you. Remember rule 1?
“Can’t pay we’ll take it away” is ONLY about cases that have gone court already and people have ignored. Getting a debt collector letter from DCBL is just that, a debt collectors letter and as such their power vanishes just like the rest of them … even their letters say, in little print at the bottom, that this is not subject to Bailiff recovery action – so why do they add Bailiff-level charges to the debt. Remember rule 1?
Equita
Equita are a bailiff firm who, like DCBL, should be ignored. Until recently they were a sister company to ParkingEye. As far as we can tell an Equita letter for a ParkingEye charge means that ParkingEye are unable or unwilling to take the matter to court. Perhaps the contract won’t allow them to issue proceedings, or they do not have a sufficiently strong case. Remembering that we regularly win cases against ParkingEye, if they don’t have the courage to even try to sue, why should you pay?
Rest assured, if you receive a letter from Equita for a ParkingEye PCN, this is all but an admission that ParkingEye won’t pursue you further – if they thought they had a strong enough case, court papers would have been served by now.
ZZPS
ZZPS has a long history behind it. ZZPS was originally formed in 2011 as Gary Osner’s Parachute for his failing Roxburghe business, and only starting trading in 2015. Roxburghe, of course, was closed down when it lost its FCA Consumer Credit Licence because it was considered not to be “fit and proper” – one has to then ask why ZZPS only pursues unregulated consumer debt, on the very edge of legality, especially when you consider that as BPA members ZZPS is obliged to comply with FCA rules, even though it does nothing of the sort.
But what about ParkingEye v Beavis – doesnt that make all private parking charges enforceable?
Many of the debt collectors will make reference to the Parking Eye & Beavis Supreme court case. For some reason they seem to believe that this judgment makes every single parking charge in the country enforceable, and fair. Barry Beavis took Parking Eye to court because he claimed the charges were unfair and a penalty. The court disagreed … and that was it. So unless you are claiming that the charge was unfair and a penalty, the Supreme Court decision has no bearing on you. Remember Rule 1?
Contacting Trading Standards
Letters from Debt Collectors are deliberately calculated to intimidate, harass and alarm. These letters misinterpret the facts and so if you receive letters like this, you must complain to your Trading Standards office, normally your local council – do not let the council try to fob you off to CAB or Action fraud, you want to speak to the head of Trading Standards, or if necessary, write to them.
Solicitors as debt collectors
Recently, we have seen (and complained about) a number of DRP letters. This now involves solicitor headed paper which at first sight could wrongly be interpreted as a legal letter but, despite the serious tone of the letter, you will find nothing of certainty, except for weasel words such as “we may recommend” or “legal action may result” – these letters also ask you to contact not the solicitor, but the Debt Collections company – Remember rule 1?
These debt collector letters use the same threats and again such letters should be sent to your local Trading Standards. Currently there are 3 solicitors who use these tactics, Gladstones Solicitors, Wright Hassall, who also trade as QDR, and BW Legal. The favourite response when challenged is that these letters are “intended to point out the result IF legal action is commenced” which is evasive and misleading. It’s illegal for a firm of solicitors to mislead a layman. In a nutshell, these solicitors are basically farming out their letterhead, as has been admitted by at least one of them in court. Remember rule 1?
Oh and my own Wise Words of advice :
Don’t name the driver, only refer to them as “The Driver” in any correspondence as there’s no onus on you as the keeper to tell them who was there
Also, note that ParkingEye was recently sold by Capita to a corporate-vehicle owned by Macquarie and advised by MML Capital Partners for £235m in cash! These venture capitalists will be squeezing every penny they can out of that business… London Stock Exchange | London Stock Exchange
If you park, you pay. Avoids all the hassle. What’s the problem? 
ROADRANGER:
Good evening folks.
I recently parked overnight at rivington services on the M61.
I didn’t pay.
It’s my own motor, and it’s a ltd company.
Anyone know if they still need the drivers name to be successful.
I know things changed after a high court ruling.
But, if they need the drivers name and I dont supply it, ard they buggerood?
In short no, they are not. This is because parking operators in England and Wales are allowed to hold the vehicle’s owner liable for unpaid charges
if they don’t know who the driver was and the owner refuses, or is unable, to name the driver. It’s called keeper liability. This makes
the registered keeper of a vehicle liable for any unpaid parking charges on that vehicle if the amount can’t be recovered from the driver.
emmerson2:
If you park, you pay. Avoids all the hassle. What’s the problem?
Yep.
I don’t know about the circumstances of the original “failure to pay”? Or whatever.
I’m not pointing at any individuals.
.
But many of us complain of lack of parking etc. And I reckon there should be much more provided free. (Free: as in paid for by road fund and fuel tax etc)
But if anyone does provide parking, and can’t get legitimate fees paid, there won’t be any more on offer will there? I don’t know about this case, but in principle,
You choose to park,
You accept their charges.
fines/parking/tolls or whatever.
having crossed dartford countless times in trucks then i crossed in a camper last year heading off to euroland for a few months holday realising as i crossed the toll was similar to dublin with the “you have till tomorrow to pay”.
i couldnt be assed wondering how many letters of demand would be waiting for me when i got home,so i had to go through the rigmarole of calling them up after having to find the payment number,knowing full well i would be speaking to someone sounding like i was calling downtown bangladesh,eventually getting through to them and spending an irritating 5 mins on the phone talking to this person before the card was accepted.
thats the 1st and last time il use dartford in my own vehicle,itl be M40 and heathrow in any future trips on principal alone,though i never had any issue paying privately when the booths were there.
using the dublin M50 or anywhere else in europe that you dont have to physically stop and pay,then just batter on and ignore,as if your vehicle is not registered to the country the toll originates,then theres no enforcement despite what the letters say.
the vast majority are just lies and threats from debt collectors with no authority whatsoever.
peppipoo and similar forums are your oracle.
Thanks for all the replies.
I genuinely forgot to pay.
No I didn’t.
I forgot to obscure my number plate on the way out.
I’m going to pay the £60.
After all, I’ve parked on the services loads of times free.
I dont need the stress on top of all the other ■■■ going on.
The wife hates getting the grief, so I will move on.
I dont mind paying to park when I get something proportionate for my money.
But, as has been said many times msa’s take the p1ss
dieseldog999:
theres no enforcement despite what the letters say.
Unfortunately until we finally leave the EU other European countries are still able to pursue you for the debt for dodging the tolls/fines in their country, as they still have access to the DVLA database to get your info. As the companies have the support of the authorities in those countries, I’ve been chased for fines/debts in both Spain and Portugal, so a simple €2 toll turned into a £20 fee once they added their admin fee. Likewise if you do a similar thing in a hire car whilst in country, the hire company has your credit card number so you can’t dodge it. I now have the necessary toll tags for each country that I frequent on a regular basis