Does a 7.5tonner used part camper/part race car carrier by an owner not involved in haulage and not paid to drive it need an O licence?
Bit like a show jumpers horse box i suppose
No major sponsor and not much prize money to be wont, is it H&R, will a restricted O licence cover it?
cheers
As I understand it if you’re not being paid for driving it you don’t need an O Licence. As you say it’s no different to a horse box used to transport your own horses. You don’t need an O Licence. This is by no means gospel and I fully expect to be corrected.3
dockspotter:
Does a 7.5tonner used part camper/part race car carrier by an owner not involved in haulage and not paid to drive it need an O licence?Bit like a show jumpers horse box i suppose
No major sponsor and not much prize money to be wont, is it H&R, will a restricted O licence cover it?
cheers
If you walk round the trucks and transporters in Donington Park or Silverstone, they normally have a signwritten notice.
NOT for Hire or Reward.
Although it is often written only in English, even on the foreign transporters
Wheel Nut:
dockspotter:
Does a 7.5tonner used part camper/part race car carrier by an owner not involved in haulage and not paid to drive it need an O licence?Bit like a show jumpers horse box i suppose
No major sponsor and not much prize money to be wont, is it H&R, will a restricted O licence cover it?
cheers
If you walk round the trucks and transporters in Donington Park or Silverstone, they normally have a signwritten notice.
NOT for Hire or Reward.
Although it is often written only in English, even on the foreign transporters
it says “PG TIPS” on the front of a London double decker but you cant get a cuppa off the driver…lol
dockspotter:
Does a 7.5tonner used part camper/part race car carrier by an owner not involved in haulage and not paid to drive it need an O licence?Bit like a show jumpers horse box i suppose
No major sponsor and not much prize money to be wont, is it H&R, will a restricted O licence cover it?
cheers
Yes a restricted O licence should cover it if they are the vehicle owners race cars.
Prize money does not make it reward, unless you cheat and are guaranteed to win at every meeting. 
Wheel Nut:
Prize money does not make it reward, unless you cheat and are guaranteed to win at every meeting.
thats horse racing int it?..now big stables WOULD need an Ops licence as would a F1 team
dockspotter:
Wheel Nut:
Prize money does not make it reward, unless you cheat and are guaranteed to win at every meeting.thats horse racing int it?..now big stables WOULD need an Ops licence as would a F1 team
Big stables would probably be providing a livery and transport service for hire and reward anyway, but as for Formula One Teams.
how does that wash with F1 teams across europe? is a UK restricted ops licence good for abroad?
dockspotter:
how does that wash with F1 teams across europe? is a UK restricted ops licence good for abroad?
Yes.
Mike-C:
dockspotter:
how does that wash with F1 teams across europe? is a UK restricted ops licence good for abroad?Yes.
Yes. Would you offer your throat to the wolf with the red roses?
A restricted licence only allows you to carry your own goods on your own account within Great Britain and the EU. You do not have to satisfy the requirement of professional competence to get a restricted licence and the rates of financial standing may be less. However, you should obey the same rules as for a standard licence.
This has been a strange thread really, the OP asks a question, and then questions all the correct answers he or she was given. Mike C answered you on his first post.
Force India and Benetton were fairly big names in F1 in Europe
Wheel Nut:
This has been a strange thread really, the OP asks a question, and then questions all the correct answers he or she was given. Mike C answered you on his first post.Force India and Benetton were fairly big names in F1 in Europe
its only that (a) its not for me and (b) the DVLA/GOV site states “unless more than MODERATE prize money or corporate sponsorship is secured an Ops Licence isn’t required”
gov.uk/government/uploads/s … owners.pdf
if the above IS right then a restricted ops licence isn’t required either…
I cannot find any court case relevant to it
a DCPC trainer is saying yes…but they would wouldn’t they
dockspotter:
if the above IS right then a restricted ops licence isn’t required either…
Depends who is operating the truck. If its been contracted in then the contractor would need to be appropriately licensed to receive the reward.
If its your own truck (or a friends) used to support personal racing (as a hobby) not a race team, then you don’t need an O license- restricted or otherwise. If you were a professional team running either your own company owned cars or customers cars then you would need a national or restricted license respectively.
That said- it’s amazing how many relatively large teams don’t have one. I’ve even heard other teams have been told tgey don’t need one due to having perm fitted office and accommodation etc. all sounds a bit ‘grey area’ to me!
Big motorhome operated for reward would still need one wouldn’t it?
Be interested to see the documentation behind such an exemption.
Ian G:
Big motorhome operated for reward would still need one wouldn’t it?Be interested to see the documentation behind such an exemption.
I wouldn’t of thought it would need one…
legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1995/23/section/2
You’ll only find an exemption for something that ordinarily would qualify.
Horses and/or associated kit and provisions are deemed to be transported for hire or
reward if that transport is done as part of a commercial equestrian activity, if there is an expectation of receiving more than just modest prize-money, or if any kind of significant corporate sponsorship is received. In other words, if transporting horses is done as part of an equestrian activity which goes beyond what could reasonably be considered a hobby — ie it is designed to make a profit, or be at least cost neutral, then it should be considered to be a hire or reward operation.
OK, what about recovery 7.5tonners?
spoke to 2 different garages, got 2 different replies…
1 - “VOSA says to recover a vehicle for repair we dont need an Ops licence, but we do to return a repaired vehicle”
2 - “ER…dunno, its taxed RECOVERY, runs on normal plates (not red on white)”
