Online CPC

robroy:

robbo99.:

Sixties boy:
If you didn’t contribute to the government’s DCPC consultation, then you’ve missed your chance to say what you really think of it.

We’re possibly going end up with two DCPC Euro & UK, depending on if you drive in EU countries or not. Also possible a one of test every five years at DVSA theory test centre, instead of 35hrs.

In an industry of excessive hours on duty, which in turn causes driver fatigue which is akin to driving under the influence of drink or drugs, in an industry where the government can extend driving hours to suit, in an industry where a big mistake can land you in prison, in an industry where we drive the biggest and heaviest vehicles that do the most damage, in an industry where we have to share the roads with uneducated muppet motorists, in an industry with limited union involvement, I find it hard to believe that any consultation will give a t055 what drivers actually think regarding the DCPC. The consultation committee, ie the turkeys won’t be voting for Christmas by scrapping the DCPC, what I guess will happen is that some kind of multiple choice “exam” will be introduced that my youngest granddaughter, (18 months old) would have a chance of getting correct by scribbling somewhere near the correct tick box on the exam paper.
Once the “exam” is passed we become professionally competent lol.

Absolutely.

This industry is all about as I said…‘Seeing to be doing the right thing, but with no REAL substance’’ as long as it looks on the surface to the public that things are done ‘professionally’ :unamused:

A couple of examples off top of my head for starters.

1.Limited working/driving hours for general safety and drivers welfare and to prevent fatigue…

Aye up to about 80 hours a week on 44 tonnes with 9 hours rest…rest not actual sleep, in between 3 consecutive 15 hour days. :unamused:
Very safe and good for the drivers health and well being eh?

2.Wtd and POA…

All complete ■■■■■■■■ as it ain’t real.
Who tf actually works only 48 (or whatever tf it is) hour weeks in this job.
POA is same as work under a different name…it’s work.!

3.Strapping down absolutely everything with heavy fines if you dont.

No differential.clause between steel and pallets of cardboard no discretion, but rather prioritising on the fines.

4.DCPC to upgrade the industry and it’s (lack of) professionalism.

A complete cluster [zb]., developed into prioritising it into yet another money making industry,.instead of concentrating on it’s ‘raison d’ etre’ Rodney.
The dilemma is …if they turn it into an exam pass only, the driver shortage raises it’s head, as not all drivers are academic (but at the same time more than likely bloody good proper drivers) so then we’ll have a generation of theory/graduates types behind the wheel of a truck,.who are totally [zb] useless at practical aspects…not necessarily the case but just go with it for the sake of the thread. :smiley:

Answer to increase professionalism…
Start at grass roots training schools,.teach them to actually drive a truck ⁷with a the aspects that go with it, practically and in terms of driver courtesy and empathy…(as things used to be believe it or not.)

CPC ? Ok,but once done reduce it to a refresher.
Devise a points system where drivers with habitual infringements and/or with an habitual bad driving record, eventuallyhave to do it all again including another driving test in extreme cases.
The scope is there to improve things, but you can sure as hell bet they will carry on with the present policy I mentioned.

Excellent common sense post robroy as usual.
Yep the introduction of POA made sure we as drivers could still be required to spend an unacceptable amount of hours at work, so much for driver welfare and safety.

Im glad we have POA.There are drivers earning 60k and you need that money if you are just starting out in your twenties.If we didnt have POA,realistically you arent going to earn 60k if you are limitied to 48 hours.Now its alright for older drivers to say this who bought their house for 3 times salary but thats not the case for younger people.They need that 60k to have any chance and its not enough even,to have a reasonable lifestyle.Look at the price of houses now.60k will barely get you a two up two down victorian house

robbo99.:

Sixties boy:
If you didn’t contribute to the government’s DCPC consultation, then you’ve missed your chance to say what you really think of it.

We’re possibly going end up with two DCPC Euro & UK, depending on if you drive in EU countries or not. Also possible a one of test every five years at DVSA theory test centre, instead of 35hrs.

In an industry of excessive hours on duty, which in turn causes driver fatigue which is akin to driving under the influence of drink or drugs, in an industry where the government can extend driving hours to suit, in an industry where a big mistake can land you in prison, in an industry where we drive the biggest and heaviest vehicles that do the most damage, in an industry where we have to share the roads with uneducated muppet motorists, in an industry with limited union involvement, I find it hard to believe that any consultation will give a t055 what drivers actually think regarding the DCPC. The consultation committee, ie the turkeys won’t be voting for Christmas by scrapping the DCPC, what I guess will happen is that some kind of multiple choice “exam” will be introduced that my youngest granddaughter, (18 months old) would have a chance of getting correct by scribbling somewhere near the correct tick box on the exam paper.
Once the “exam” is passed we become professionally competent lol.

So you didn’t answer the consultation then?

Just to add I did mine with driver hire in the end

5 days 35 boring hours made half decent by the trainers

£179 all in.

switchlogic:

robbo99.:

Sixties boy:
If you didn’t contribute to the government’s DCPC consultation, then you’ve missed your chance to say what you really think of it.

We’re possibly going end up with two DCPC Euro & UK, depending on if you drive in EU countries or not. Also possible a one of test every five years at DVSA theory test centre, instead of 35hrs.

In an industry of excessive hours on duty, which in turn causes driver fatigue which is akin to driving under the influence of drink or drugs, in an industry where the government can extend driving hours to suit, in an industry where a big mistake can land you in prison, in an industry where we drive the biggest and heaviest vehicles that do the most damage, in an industry where we have to share the roads with uneducated muppet motorists, in an industry with limited union involvement, I find it hard to believe that any consultation will give a t055 what drivers actually think regarding the DCPC. The consultation committee, ie the turkeys won’t be voting for Christmas by scrapping the DCPC, what I guess will happen is that some kind of multiple choice “exam” will be introduced that my youngest granddaughter, (18 months old) would have a chance of getting correct by scribbling somewhere near the correct tick box on the exam paper.
Once the “exam” is passed we become professionally competent lol.

So you didn’t answer the consultation then?

I certainly did and funnily enough I didn’t get so much as an acknowledgement. There’s none so deaf as those that don’t want to listen.

Sploom:
Im glad we have POA.There are drivers earning 60k and you need that money if you are just starting out in your twenties.If we didnt have POA,realistically you arent going to earn 60k if you are limitied to 48 hours.Now its alright for older drivers to say this who bought their house for 3 times salary but thats not the case for younger people.They need that 60k to have any chance and its not enough even,to have a reasonable lifestyle.Look at the price of houses now.60k will barely get you a two up two down victorian house[/quote

Prior to the implementation of the 48 working week I was a member of the TGWU, even they were lording the fact that an average working week of 48 hours was to be introduced resulting in a big increase in pay to drag drivers wages into the real world. What happened, the government of the day introduced POA resulting in excessive hours continuing which meant no big increases in pay if any. Great.

robbo99.:
I certainly did and funnily enough I didn’t get so much as an acknowledgement. There’s none so deaf as those that don’t want to listen.

Good stuff pleased to hear it, tho you can’t expect a detailed reply to every person.

robbo99.:
Prior to the implementation of the 48 working week I was a member of the TGWU, even they were lording the fact that an average working week of 48 hours was to be introduced resulting in a big increase in pay to drag drivers wages into the real world. What happened, the government of the day introduced POA resulting in excessive hours continuing which meant no big increases in pay if any. Great.

I hate POA and point out on course that it was clearly invented when they devised the WTD and someone probably suddenly realised transport would grind to a halt. So they introduced the absolute nonsense that is POA to allow us to do all the hours we ever did. All the other laws (supposedly) in pursuit of road safety only for that to s&@£ all over them

switchlogic:

robbo99.:
Prior to the implementation of the 48 working week I was a member of the TGWU, even they were lording the fact that an average working week of 48 hours was to be introduced resulting in a big increase in pay to drag drivers wages into the real world. What happened, the government of the day introduced POA resulting in excessive hours continuing which meant no big increases in pay if any. Great.

I hate POA and point out on course that it was clearly invented when they devised the WTD and someone probably suddenly realised transport would grind to a halt. So they introduced the absolute nonsense that is POA to allow us to do all the hours we ever did. All the other laws (supposedly) in pursuit of road safety only for that to s&@£ all over them

Yep totally agree.

Narc:
Just to add I did mine with driver hire in the end

5 days 35 boring hours made half decent by the trainers

£179 all in.

Yes, Driver Hire CPC courses are excellent. Really good tutors and the best value around. No need to look elsewhere.

Sploom:
Im glad we have POA.There are drivers earning 60k and you need that money if you are just starting out in your twenties.If we didnt have POA,realistically you arent going to earn 60k if you are limitied to 48 hours.Now its alright for older drivers to say this who bought their house for 3 times salary but thats not the case for younger people.They need that 60k to have any chance and its not enough even,to have a reasonable lifestyle.Look at the price of houses now.60k will barely get you a two up two down victorian house

There’s a very simple reason why ASLEF and other trades unions have fought for decades for their members to work fewer hours, and it isn’t so they can earn less money. :wink:

:smiley: :smiley: :smiley: I luuurve the naïveté on display sometimes

DCPCFML:

Narc:
Just to add I did mine with driver hire in the end

5 days 35 boring hours made half decent by the trainers

£179 all in.

Yes, Driver Hire CPC courses are excellent. Really good tutors and the best value around. No need to look elsewhere.

:smiley: :smiley: :smiley: