schrodingers cat:
Do you mean the six hour rule (which is called the Working Time Directive by the way)
you dont work under the rules of the wtd by the way, if you are a driver, you work under the rules of the road transport directive by the way,which are different, wtd doesnt have poa rtd does 
This thread has made me laugh (NOT).
If you get paid for breaks, stick it on break. If you don’t, ask how long then stick it on POA, if you need your dinner at dinnertime stop and have another 30 or a 45 at dinnertime. You are allowed to take a break in the middle of POA or put it on break then switch to POA. Whatever you do you should be trying to maximise the output of your working day, having 2 or 3 hours POA on a bay then pulling off and then having a 45 is well and truly taking the ■■■■ and bordering on fraud 
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As far as I’m concerned my truck (oops, sorry, I meant to say the GAFFERS’ truck which is allocated to me for the duration of it’s working life or my employment or for as long as the GAFFER sees fit) needs to earn money, and I’ll help it do that as far as legally and morally possible, and if that means having my dinner at 11:15 then so be it, or like today at 14:30! I’ve been on salary (w/o overtime) and like now hourly paid (unpaid breaks) and in both types of employment I’ve found a way to satisfy BOTH my needs and those of my employer without the need to take the ■■■■, funnily enough my employers seem to understand this and haven’t found the need to take the ■■■■ either. Call me a brown-noser if you will, but I understand that a business needs to earn money, and by some strange coincidence some of that money ends up in my bank account at regular intervals.
MADBAZ:
This thread has made me laugh (NOT).If you get paid for breaks, stick it on break. If you don’t, ask how long then stick it on POA, if you need your dinner at dinnertime stop and have another 30 or a 45 at dinnertime. You are allowed to take a break in the middle of POA or put it on break then switch to POA. Whatever you do you should be trying to maximise the output of your working day, having 2 or 3 hours POA on a bay then pulling off and then having a 45 is well and truly taking the ■■■■ and bordering on fraud
As far as I’m concerned my truck (oops, sorry, I meant to say the GAFFERS’ truck which is allocated to me for the duration of it’s working life or my employment or for as long as the GAFFER sees fit) needs to earn money, and I’ll help it do that as far as legally and morally possible, and if that means having my dinner at 11:15 then so be it, or like today at 14:30! I’ve been on salary (w/o overtime) and like now hourly paid (unpaid breaks) and in both types of employment I’ve found a way to satisfy BOTH my needs and those of my employer without the need to take the ■■■■, funnily enough my employers seem to understand this and haven’t found the need to take the ■■■■ either. Call me a brown-noser if you will, but I understand that a business needs to earn money, and by some strange coincidence some of that money ends up in my bank account at regular intervals.
Don’t come on here talking sense Baz, you’ll be castigated !!!
Mike-C:
Don’t come on here talking sense Baz, you’ll be castigated !!!
does that mean I’ll qualify to join the ladytruckers forum 
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MADBAZ:
Mike-C:
Don’t come on here talking sense Baz, you’ll be castigated !!!
I was going to say yeah, but someome will say as i’m a mod i shouldn’t be so sexist !!
So lets just keep our options open !!
switchlogic:
My favourite comment is -Gary Maher
Taking a break whilst the vehicle is under operation is forbidden, even if the vehicle is on a bay being tipped by warehouse staff.To get round this, trailer must be DROPPED on said bay and hooked back up on completion of break/POA/tip.
Any driver/company operating in a different manner than the above IS BREAKING THE LAW
Where on earth do these people get this ■■■■■■■■ from?
Written whilst lying on bed while truck is loaded with tacho on break.
Fatboy slimslow:
damoq:
Maybe its just me, but if its about the money lost due to the wheels not turning, why not charge the RDC’s for exsessive waiting and loss of earnings. Oh thats right, its just so much easier to make the driver suffer for the inadequacies of the RDC’s.They do DEMURRIDGE!
driver trainers who DELIVER DCPC spout a load of carp! We pay this, we pay that! You pay ZIP!
Why do you need thirty minutes when your bleeper goes off? If you are sat waiting for a bleeper to go off, you can lay on your bunk with your ■■■■ in your hand, what is the worst can happen? you miss a turn.
I think you have read some of the ratpoo rules wrong mate
■■■■■■■■ I just came home from the pub and didn’t realise everyone else except Fatboyslim knew the RTD rules off by heart
walterfirelake:
‘‘alexwignall’’
If we follow your criteria hardly anyone would be able to take part in TNUK.As it happens, I’ve done enough.
One of the main things I’ve learned in our Industry, if you are in our Industry that is…? is that length of service does not equate to ability.
What I suggest fella, is that you keep wittering on about how soft the youth of today are and I’ll keep on earning a good wage and helping my younger colleagues not become dreary old giffers like you.
my isnt tnuk a mine of accurate info, I wasn’t aware i thought youngsters were soft, perhaps in your neck of the woods they are, if you had the slightest concern for your young colleagues, lets assume, like you do freely, that they are young drivers, just how do help them?, by showing them what a crap industry transport is, and what crap pay/conditions they are lining up for,or do you lie through your teeth about how great it is, not my idea of caring for younger colleagues, I’ve done 39 years seamless hgv driving, in every sector, bar conti, I could have lied and said i’ve done that as well, reckon that goes on a lot here, my brother did it for longer than ive been driving, those early days for them doing mid east were where you look for ‘‘real drivers’’, in that respect I own up to being just a ‘‘driver’’, I wont take from anyone that which I wouldn’t give out, I have unlimited sympathy for young/new drivers, do everything to help whenever I can, but I refuse to paint a false picture to them, when asked by the young I tell them its crap,its megga crap, so proud my son isn’t a driver.
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To someone who has been in haulage for thirty nine years I’m sure most people are youngsters.
I’m forty three, I’ve got nineteen years in on National and International work and seven years in at sea in Warships and Submarines before that. So don’t try telling me what’s real or not.
I spend my time at work doing my job properly and helping my less confident colleagues with anything from securing a load to understanding POA. In fact all the things they had to struggle with alone at other firms.
We work together at our place to try and keep things fair. Nobody is kidding nobody that transport is easy but it doesn’t have to hard either.
What I would like to know is, in your thirty nine seamless years driving, what have you done to leave our Industry in a better condition than it was when you started?
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walterfirelake:
I have unlimited sympathy for young/new drivers, do everything to help whenever I can, but I refuse to paint a false picture to them, when asked by the young I tell them its crap,its megga crap, so proud my son isn’t a driver.
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At least we have something in common, there are more posts on her telling me that I am a miserable old git and don’t want the new ones on the job, ask Sam Millar, almost everyone on here tried to put him off but he was persistent and he is doing what he wants to do and enjoying every shift, he is even helping new drivers and he is 19.
You sir, sound like an embittered old man in the same vein as the one from Surrey stockbroker land.
My role here is to have fun, and teach the youngsters what I have learned, indeed what I am still learning every single day. Actually it isn’t always the youngsters either, there are many drivers coming into the game who have already had a long career in other sectors of industry.
You and I learnt our trade in a muddy puddle covered yard and handball, tell me it was much better in the old days and I will know you are a troll.
The drivers who have damaged this industry are the ones who think they know it all 
Wheel Nut:
Fatboy slimslow:
■■■■■■■■ I just came home from the pub and didn’t realise everyone else except Fatboyslim knew the RTD rules off by heart
I don’t profess to know everything off by heart wheel nut! but as limeyphil says I used to run bent round Europe on a wire having my weekend break! Saamon no pal I’m not on a Friday night bender, I’m earning £s driving my artic till 6am! been sober for ten years pal! I hope that helps! 
Right lets say Iam agency man, no cab comforts I have to carry in a daysack everything on day to day basis! so I have no cab comforts at all, food, water etc.
On Agency you dont get paid for breaks, so if your not being paid how can you be dictated what you do when your not being paid anyhow?
thoughts?
Come on guys grow a set at least■■?
green456:
schrodingers cat:
Do you mean the six hour rule (which is called the Working Time Directive by the way)you dont work under the rules of the wtd by the way, if you are a driver, you work under the rules of the road transport directive by the way,which are different, wtd doesnt have poa rtd does
“Working time rules
The working time rules that apply to you depend on whether you drive a vehicle in scope of the EU
or GB domestic drivers’ hours rules.
If you are driving under the EU drivers’ hours rules
If you operate a vehicle in scope of the EU drivers’ hours rules, then you are subject to the Road Transport (Working Time) Regulations 2005 (as amended — ‘the 2005 Regulations’), unless you are an occasional mobile worker (see text boxes at the end of this Annex for definitions).”
Ok the Road transport (Working Time) Rules, they still are our working time rules in my book I reckon the Dark Lord would be sounding the Claxxon of pedantry.
And bloody hell Fatboy Slimshow if you ramble like that when you’re sober, thank God you haven’t had a drink in 10 years.
This fatboyslimslow character is just typical of so many of my fellow stobart employees. Like Ady before him, and sure someone else after him. Just embarrassing rule book freaks. Only problem is I don’t think they are fully aware of the rules themselves.
And then they wonder why they are hated? Loud mouthed podcasts in general. I keep my head down and talk quietly when in Ann RDC for fear of my "colleagues"coming to speak to me.
Speaking of Ady, is it the same one who now seems to be a mod on the facebook page?
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There must be other RDCs that are similar to: Sainsbury Feltham no seats at all, stand while waiting. Costco Lutterworth waiting room is inside warehouse with so much noise from forklift bleepers etc going continually. This is my rest and recuperation period to make me fully alert?
Those who go to Lutterworth will know that this is just round the corner from Lidl and Asda and not far from Tesco Hinckley, so it is not unusual to have a (say) 3hr drive to the first one and than a selection of bookings at the nearby RDCs. So one can have a break while unloading at: Lidl impossible, Hinckley unpleasant, or Costco. Can’t speak for Asda as I can’t remember. More pleasant at Coop Leicester.
walterfirelake:
wheel nut
You and I learnt our trade in a muddy puddle covered yard and handball, tell me it was much better in the old days and I will know you are a troll.The drivers who have damaged this industry are the ones who think they know it all
nieghbour, if I knew it all I would be unique, no such person exists in any field of life, and the most common argument and meritless attack ever employed to cover thier own inadequatecies, I did start in a puddle cover yard, farm yard, no forklifts back then, all handball, one and half cwt bags of barley, ropes /sheets, scammel handyman, HPV 144F, and it wasnt new, 6yrs old and well worn, I humbly admit youve got the origins of how I started spot on, do I morn the conditions of yesteryear, you and I know it was disgusting, but in the midst of that foul enviroment drivers back then didn’t squeal like stuck pigs, and their road behaviour wasn’t like todays ‘‘professionals’’, if you cant see that then who is the troll here?, todays trucks are virtually science fiction come true, the h&s regs have transformed un/loading, tachos to prevent abuse from the unscrupulus operators, etc, etc,. so where in gods name do you even start to excuse people for their behaviour out there on the road? .the drivestyle exhibited by hgv’s is identical if not worse than car drivers, and you cant deny it , unless your wearing the rose tinted specs permanently.
Todays pay in real terms is about 50% lower than 20 yrs ago, if I’m not allowed to moan about that then god help the workfoce, maybe the pay is the cause of bad behaviour, I dont know, what I do know is I grossed 400plus per week 22 years ago , and yep I’m bitter about that.,working as nigt yard shunter clocking on to clocking off 8 hours, no crazy insane 15 hours slavery like so many do today.only 9years ago I grossed 966 a week shunting in shreeded wheet factory, even with overtime I cant dream of getting that today and I would have to drive out ‘‘there’’ surrouned by 40 tonners driving like they are on ‘‘police camera action’’, daily , day and night, 7 days a week, yes I do morn the passing of the old timers, the drivers that is, those who were old timers when I started taught me all they could, and I cant help but wonder what they would make of todays trucks, how did they get the ‘‘handle’’ knights of the road,did they drive like prats, no , even after slogging thier guts out loading unloading , when they hit the road they actually ‘‘drove’’, there is no excuse for whats going on on the road today, if drivers don’t improve the legislators will crank the speed limiters down for sure, not that I would care.
i read 4 lines of this, then fell asleep.
On one side the problem lies with the wasters that will happily sit in their cab, with toilets nearby, and a coffee machine and a food machine possibly a water boiler and a microwave, whilst someone else unloads their trailer for an hour or more. Then they drive up the road and park up for 45 minutes in a lay-bye stinking of ■■■■ and ■■■■ because, “I haven’t had a break where I wanted to”. 
The other side of this is the idiot bosses that don’t pay wages whilst the tacho is set to break. How bloody stupid is that? It absolutely guarantees that the driver will use the break setting as little as possible because he’s not paid for it. In the transport industry, the driver costs peanuts in comparison to the wagon so keeping them from running as efficiently as possible (by using break wherever appropriate) is poor business sense.
if a company pays by the tacho, then you don’t work for them. (unless you’re a complete idiot)
if i wasn’t paid for breaks, then it would be left on other work, all day, and all night.
they can pay me for driving, and pay me for overnight security.
none of that would happen in reality though. i’m not stupid enough to work for hourly pay.
never have, never will.
i read 4 lines of this, then fell asleep.
Me too.
Can you people please learn to use the enter key to insert proper readable paragraphs. That means a gap. So your eyes don’t go “ARGH”
Most people in this thread are too daft to be allowed near a tachograph or a copy of GV262.
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happysack:
This fatboyslimslow character is just typical of so many of my fellow stobart employees. Like Ady before him, and sure someone else after him. Just embarrassing rule book freaks. Only problem is I don’t think they are fully aware of the rules themselves.
And then they wonder why they are hated? Loud mouthed podcasts in general. I keep my head down and talk quietly when in Ann RDC for fear of my "colleagues"coming to speak to me.Speaking of Ady, is it the same one who now seems to be a mod on the facebook page?
not a rule book freak, just MANIPULATING the laws to suit ME not stobart! I ain’t hated either but yes you are correct I AM A LOUD MOUTH I needed to be being an ex RSM! IT HELPS TO BE HEARD! i will bet your the comedian on chipliners, who thinks you’re perfect and had a run in with my mate on the walking floors in Penrith a couple of months ago! Soon to be ex stobarts anyway sock cooker! You live the dream pal, I’ll see them in court! Yawn