Franglais:
As I read the maker`s guide, the curtain provides the necessary side restraint.
The collapsed roof is the clue that it ultimately does no such thing.
Internal straps and/ior ‘load bearing’ curtains are all totally dependent on the strength and integrity of the roof structure holding them.
Of course it does! Despite the partially collapsed roof the curtains have done there job as the cider is still in the trailer and not running down the road.
Assuming the pallets are properly wrapped and stacked he’s lucky he didn’t roll it over.
Bet he pooped himself on the bend when it let go lol. Dashcam footage be worth a laugh.
So what you’re saying is that the fact that the roof has clearly predictably catastrophically collapsed, thereby totally compromising the so called load bearing curtain system, it’s all …the driver’s fault even though you’ve got no evidence of that.
The truth is it’s a clear example of the flaw in the idea of load bearing curtains.The curtains might be strong enough to hold the load but the bleedin roof structure ain’t.
Curtainsider’s are just flats that don’t need to be sheeted just like tilts.Load security is as required in the case of a flat.
Even box trailers are a grey area in which ideally there are anchorage points provided on the load deck for straps or nets etc.
No. What I’m saying is the curtains have restrained the load from falling out. If it is an XL trailer then half of it has worked! Yes the roof structure has failed but the curtains haven’t.
Sorry but still say that assuming those pallets are well stacked/wrapped and positive fit then they don’t move to that extent without unreasonable driving.
md1987:
No. What I’m saying is the curtains have restrained the load from falling out. If it is an XL trailer then half of it has worked! Yes the roof structure has failed but the curtains haven’t.
Sorry but still say that assuming those pallets are well stacked/wrapped and positive fit then they don’t move to that extent without unreasonable driving.
So you are saying it’s the driver’s fault.
It’s precisely the fact that the roof structure, that the curtains are anchored to, has clearly failed, that has made the curtains worse than totally useless assuming they are being used for load restraint.
‘‘An XL rated curtain is good for 50% load restraint’’ Is this why I see some numpties strap every other row of pallets and think they are restraining the other 50% of the load
shullbit:
‘‘An XL rated curtain is good for 50% load restraint’’ Is this why I see some numpties strap every other row of pallets and think they are restraining the other 50% of the load
The question is, is it an ‘XL’ rated roof and is it as strong as the curtains.To be fair even roping/strapping half the rows of pallets is better than none.
Bearing in mind ropes also made it easy to cross each row of pallets front and rear and a pass or two between.An old school tilt with rope hooks was my favourite general haulage configuration in that regard.
Way better than a modern curtain sider without any and totally reliant on a few straight passes of straps if any at all.
Oh Carryfast, why do you constantly feel the need to reconfirm to the experienced folk, on here, that you have no idea? Your schoolboy conjecture has no basis in fact or experience.
Star down under.:
Oh Carryfast, why do you constantly feel the need to reconfirm to the experienced folk, on here, that you have no idea? Your schoolboy conjure has no basis in fact or experience.
Ironically the rarity of tilts, like curtainsiders, fitted with rope hooks, which I was lucky enough to use, actually confirms my experience.While the idea of just relying on curtains to secure a load and propaby not knowing how to rope a load, even if they had the hooks for it, obviously confirms yours/theirs.
I also know the wierd idea of using bars not hooks there in prison Island but at least their drivers still know how to rope a load and the need for it.That obviously doesn’t include you in your farm labourer job.
shullbit:
‘‘An XL rated curtain is good for 50% load restraint’’ Is this why I see some numpties strap every other row of pallets and think they are restraining the other 50% of the load
The question is, is it an ‘XL’ rated roof and is it as strong as the curtains.To be fair even roping/strapping half the rows of pallets is better than none.
Bearing in mind ropes also made it easy to cross each row of pallets front and rear and a pass or two between.An old school tilt with rope hooks was my favourite general haulage configuration in that regard.
Way better than a modern curtain sider without any and totally reliant on a few straight passes of straps if any at all.
shullbit:
‘‘An XL rated curtain is good for 50% load restraint’’ Is this why I see some numpties strap every other row of pallets and think they are restraining the other 50% of the load
The question is, is it an ‘XL’ rated roof and is it as strong as the curtains.
FFS… I’ve already said this: The TRAILER is XL rated, not the CURTAINS
Star down under.:
Oh Carryfast, why do you constantly feel the need to reconfirm to the experienced folk, on here, that you have no idea? Your schoolboy conjure has no basis in fact or experience.
Ironically the rarity of tilts, like curtainsiders, fitted with rope hooks, which I was lucky enough to use, actually confirms my experience.While the idea of just relying on curtains to secure a load and propaby not knowing how to rope a load, even if they had the hooks for it, obviously confirms yours/theirs.
I also know the wierd idea of using bars not hooks there in prison Island but at least their drivers still know how to rope a load and the need for it.That obviously doesn’t include you in your farm labourer job.
Franglais:
the driver tries to over take a Fireblade on a roundabout, isn`t reasonable.
You mean…I’m not supposed to?[emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]
Not unless you’re running late and and the load is well tied to the deck not the roof.But it’s going to be a close race if he’s taking the same exit and it’s more than one lane on the exit.Outbrake him on entry is the best bet if it’s only the curtains holding it all on sideways.
Yeh I must try that next time I’m fully laden. Try and out brake one of the best handling motorcycles ever produced. See where I end up
Yep I know what a Fireblade is.
Fair enough go for plan A and out accelerate him on the exit.
In which case it’ll help if the load is tied to the deck not the roof of the trailer.
Star down under.:
Oh Carryfast, why do you constantly feel the need to reconfirm to the experienced folk, on here, that you have no idea? Your schoolboy conjure has no basis in fact or experience.
Ironically the rarity of tilts, like curtainsiders, fitted with rope hooks, which I was lucky enough to use, actually confirms my experience.While the idea of just relying on curtains to secure a load and propaby not knowing how to rope a load, even if they had the hooks for it, obviously confirms yours/theirs.
I also know the wierd idea of using bars not hooks there in prison Island but at least their drivers still know how to rope a load and the need for it.That obviously doesn’t include you in your farm labourer job.
Geez Carryfast, I haven’t worked on a farm for over forty years, when the family changed its interest from rural pursuits. Apparently your ongoing issue with lack of comprehension has again led you up the garden path.
You cannot equate you Sim driving experience to real transport life. Your comments, both here and elsewhere on this board clearly prove you have learned very little in your very brief exposure to the industry. Another career at which you failed miserably.
Star down under.:
Oh Carryfast, why do you constantly feel the need to reconfirm to the experienced folk, on here, that you have no idea? Your schoolboy conjure has no basis in fact or experience.
Ironically the rarity of tilts, like curtainsiders, fitted with rope hooks, which I was lucky enough to use, actually confirms my experience.While the idea of just relying on curtains to secure a load and propaby not knowing how to rope a load, even if they had the hooks for it, obviously confirms yours/theirs.
I also know the wierd idea of using bars not hooks there in prison Island but at least their drivers still know how to rope a load and the need for it.That obviously doesn’t include you in your farm labourer job.
Geez Carryfast, I haven’t worked on a farm for over forty years, when the family changed its interest from rural pursuits. Apparently your ongoing issue with lack of comprehension has again led you up the garden path.
You cannot equate you Sim driving experience to real transport life. Your comments, both here and elsewhere on this board clearly prove you have learned very little in your very brief exposure to the industry. Another career at which you failed miserably.
How do you conflate,
never relying on weather protection structures like a tilt or a curtain sider, to secure loads and as a result never having an insecure load as shown here,
with inexperience and failure.
Star down under.:
Oh Carryfast, why do you constantly feel the need to reconfirm to the experienced folk, on here, that you have no idea? Your schoolboy conjure has no basis in fact or experience.
Ironically the rarity of tilts, like curtainsiders, fitted with rope hooks, which I was lucky enough to use, actually confirms my experience.While the idea of just relying on curtains to secure a load and propaby not knowing how to rope a load, even if they had the hooks for it, obviously confirms yours/theirs.
I also know the wierd idea of using bars not hooks there in prison Island but at least their drivers still know how to rope a load and the need for it.That obviously doesn’t include you in your farm labourer job.
Geez Carryfast, I haven’t worked on a farm for over forty years, when the family changed its interest from rural pursuits. Apparently your ongoing issue with lack of comprehension has again led you up the garden path.
You cannot equate you Sim driving experience to real transport life. Your comments, both here and elsewhere on this board clearly prove you have learned very little in your very brief exposure to the industry. Another career at which you failed miserably.
How do you conflate,
never relying on weather protection structures like a tilt or a curtain sider, to secure loads and as a result never having an insecure load as shown here,
with inexperience and failure.
You’d argue that black was right rather than admit you were wrong, wouldn’t you?
Like the UK, we have Tautliners/curtainsiders rated to restrain loads. Ours are A.S. xyz (Australian Standard), you will have an equivalent Euro or UK standard. These standards are calculated and tested by (proper university trained) engineers, not some gobby, know-it-all, welfare recipient who failed to complete an apprenticeship.
Methods and equipment have advanced extraordinarily since you got chucked out of the industry, last century.
Are you trying to tell us that you know more than the qualified engineers who approve modern rating standards?
Star down under.:
Are you trying to tell us that you know more than the qualified engineers who approve modern rating standards?
I think we all know the answer to that is a resounding “yes!”
You mean the qualified engineers who don’t fit rope hooks on truck bodies thereby removing that option from the drivers armoury.
One of two issues apply in this case.Either the driver has failed to secure a load on a non XL rated trailer.Or the roof structure gave way before the curtains did.Roping every pallet regardless obviously would have helped.
Star down under.:
Are you trying to tell us that you know more than the qualified engineers who approve modern rating standards?
I think we all know the answer to that is a resounding “yes!”
You mean the qualified engineers who don’t fit rope hooks on truck bodies thereby removing that option from the drivers armoury.
One of two issues apply in this case.Either the driver has failed to secure a load on a non XL rated trailer.Or the roof structure gave way before the curtains did.Roping every pallet regardless obviously would have helped.
You don’t get it, do you? The manufacturers are the ones who decide whether hook or tie-rails are included, not the standards engineers.
In my country, all curtainsiders have tie-rails, they’re basically flat-tops with rooves and ends, with or without rear doors.
Stop making a goose of yourself.
Star down under.:
Are you trying to tell us that you know more than the qualified engineers who approve modern rating standards?
I think we all know the answer to that is a resounding “yes!”
You mean the qualified engineers who don’t fit rope hooks on truck bodies thereby removing that option from the drivers armoury.
One of two issues apply in this case.Either the driver has failed to secure a load on a non XL rated trailer.Or the roof structure gave way before the curtains did.Roping every pallet regardless obviously would have helped.
You don’t get it, do you? The manufacturers are the ones who decide whether hook or tie-rails are included, not the standards engineers.
In my country, all curtainsiders have tie-rails, they’re basically flat-tops with rooves and ends, with or without rear doors.
Stop making a goose of yourself.
So they ‘all’ ? have anchorage points on the load deck which seems to contradict the idea of a ‘load bearing’ curtain and ultimately by definition the roof structure which is anchoring the curtain.
I’m saying it’s weather protection not a load restraint system.At best the idea of XL curtainsiders is just going to confuse drivers.At worse it ain’t going to do what it says on the tin especially given the typical UK attitude of pile it high to keep it short.
One of those probably applies in this case.The driver didn’t secure a load that needed to be secured thinking the curtains and roof would hold it.Or the roof gave way under the strain of trying to do the job of a load deck structure and predictably failing.
Loadbearing only restrains within the confines of the trailer. Any part load will need to be secured, hence the tiedown points.
The AS rating will only bear the mass of the load, not mass plus inertia of an unsecured, part load.
