blue estate:
My load Wednesday , from Drotwich to eagle brewery Bedford , new empties and new pallets , all on wooden pallets , every row cross strapped, standard XXL trailer and internals
Pic at brewery after careful driving and going M5/42/6/1 and A421 to Bedford plus careful driving
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Where do you even start?! And all those kegs are full. That roundabout into Hams Hall estate with the nasty camber on it was always taken gingerly at about 10 mph .
ezydriver:
Even if theyâre not strapped, they wonât move if you drive it like a lorry, and not like a car.
It depends on the state of them when theyâre loaded on the trailer. If the pallets are machine packed and wrapped and kept in a dry warehouse then theyâre not going anywhere. If theyâre hand stacked, wrapped and/or have been left to get damp, then once on layer of boxes collapses it doesnât matter how carefully you drive, they are going to be leaning against your curtains.
Iâve done thousands of loads from breweries, and though I agree with you, Iâm yet to see a full load which has been hand stacked and wrapped, or wet through. Iâve only ever seen machine stacked and wrapped, and dry.
We sometimes get a shot load like that in our yard. Itâs always the foot-down-Friday drivers who seem to get them. Always.
itâs also not beyond the realms of possibilites that an event happened just prior to this where he had to suddenly swerve to avoid a collision, so itâs unfair to finger-wag without knowing the full story.
Fair point. This happened to an MJD wagon a couple years back on the A13 a mile or so down from Dagenham one Saturday night. He had a full load of coca cola and had to swerve to avoid a boy racer cutting him up. He ended up tipping it over.
The images show the whole load having moved sideways to the right, which means a sudden manoeuvre to the left, or going to fast round a left hand bend, or monumentally cocking up a roundabout.
Two things spring to mind.
One. Heâs lucky it didnât tip over.
Two. Are curtains a safe restraint? The load didnât fail offâŚ
m.a.n rules:
trucknet csi, i suspect heâs approahed that chicane a bit too fastâŚ
Apparently it happened before he got to this point M5 is 2 mins from here so he come off as he didnât want to cause chaos on motorway,
My first thoughts not strapped apart from back 2 which funnily enough have stayed pretty much in place
Hmmm
SooâŚ
He shifted the load, like that, whilst on the M5. Instead of pulling onto the hard shoulder, and assessing the situation, he decided to drive it, in that stateâŚ, and come off the M5, and drive around a bit, and stop on a single carriage lane road, to cause less chaosâŚâ â ?
Yeah right. He either shot the load coming to fast into that left hand bend behind him, or if the above scenario is true, he is a monumental tool. To be fair, considering the wagon heâs driving, could be either oneâŚ
Typical blame game and witch hunt against the driver.The truth is there is no such thing as a âload bearingâ curtain and by definition roof.The definition of a curtain sider is just a flat trailer that doesnât need to be sheeted in all cases.
That issue is added to by the ridiculous situation of compensating for stupid length limits by laughably high stacked loads which obviously concentrate too much load containment/securing stresses on a smaller area as opposed to spreading them along a much longer load deck/s with much lower stacks with the win win of less bridges being hit by compensating for the extra length by applying a 4m or preferably less height limit.
Carryfast:
Typical blame game and witch hunt against the driver.The truth is there is no such thing as a âload bearingâ curtain and by definition roof.The definition of a curtain sider is just a flat trailer that doesnât need to be sheeted in all cases.
That issue is added to by the ridiculous situation of compensating for stupid length limits by laughably high stacked loads which obviously concentrate too much load containment/securing stresses on a smaller area as opposed to spreading them along a much longer load deck/s with much lower stacks with the win win of less bridges being hit by compensating for the extra length by applying a 4m or preferably less height limit.
Typical âtry to baffle 'em with long winded bs, from an inexperiencedâ, self proclaimed expert who hasnât seen the inside of a truck this century and has never had anything to do with tautliners.
Stop making a fool of yourself and rabbiting on about things with which you have no idea.
Carryfast:
Typical blame game and witch hunt against the driver.The truth is there is no such thing as a âload bearingâ curtain and by definition roof.The definition of a curtain sider is just a flat trailer that doesnât need to be sheeted in all cases.
That issue is added to by the ridiculous situation of compensating for stupid length limits by laughably high stacked loads which obviously concentrate too much load containment/securing stresses on a smaller area as opposed to spreading them along a much longer load deck/s with much lower stacks with the win win of less bridges being hit by compensating for the extra length by applying a 4m or preferably less height limit.
Typical âtry to baffle 'em with long winded bs, from an inexperiencedâ, self proclaimed expert who hasnât seen the inside of a truck this century and has never had anything to do with tautliners.
Stop making a fool of yourself and rabbiting on about things with which you have no idea.
Dyou think wed better inform DVSA that CF has told them they`re wrong?
âDVSA accept an EN 12642 XL rated vehicle/trailer keeping 50% of the rated payload to the side without any extra securingâ gov.uk/government/publicati ⌠f-vehicles
Carryfast:
Typical blame game and witch hunt against the driver.The truth is there is no such thing as a âload bearingâ curtain and by definition roof.The definition of a curtain sider is just a flat trailer that doesnât need to be sheeted in all cases.
That issue is added to by the ridiculous situation of compensating for stupid length limits by laughably high stacked loads which obviously concentrate too much load containment/securing stresses on a smaller area as opposed to spreading them along a much longer load deck/s with much lower stacks with the win win of less bridges being hit by compensating for the extra length by applying a 4m or preferably less height limit.
Typical âtry to baffle 'em with long winded bs, from an inexperiencedâ, self proclaimed expert who hasnât seen the inside of a truck this century and has never had anything to do with tautliners.
Stop making a fool of yourself and rabbiting on about things with which you have no idea.
Dyou think wed better inform DVSA that CF has told them they`re wrong?
âDVSA accept an EN 12642 XL rated vehicle/trailer keeping 50% of the rated payload to the side without any extra securingâ gov.uk/government/publicati ⌠f-vehicles
They might be grateful for the input?
The political agenda wonât listen to any input which says that a higher stack concentrates more load security stress over a smaller area, than a lower stack spread along a longer load deck.
So a so called load bearing curtain anchored at its top by what exactly.Let me guess the load bearing roof.
Carryfast:
Typical blame game and witch hunt against the driver.The truth is there is no such thing as a âload bearingâ curtain and by definition roof.The definition of a curtain sider is just a flat trailer that doesnât need to be sheeted in all cases.
That issue is added to by the ridiculous situation of compensating for stupid length limits by laughably high stacked loads which obviously concentrate too much load containment/securing stresses on a smaller area as opposed to spreading them along a much longer load deck/s with much lower stacks with the win win of less bridges being hit by compensating for the extra length by applying a 4m or preferably less height limit.
Typical âtry to baffle 'em with long winded bs, from an inexperiencedâ, self proclaimed expert who hasnât seen the inside of a truck this century and has never had anything to do with tautliners.
Stop making a fool of yourself and rabbiting on about things with which you have no idea.
Dyou think wed better inform DVSA that CF has told them they`re wrong?
âDVSA accept an EN 12642 XL rated vehicle/trailer keeping 50% of the rated payload to the side without any extra securingâ gov.uk/government/publicati ⌠f-vehicles
They might be grateful for the input?
The political agenda wonât listen to any input which says that a higher stack concentrates more load security stress over a smaller area, than a lower stack spread along a longer load deck.
So a so called load bearing curtain anchored at its top by what exactly.Let me guess the load bearing roof.
GOG47:
Curryfart has spoken, the subject is now closed for discussion, off you all trot
Bearing in mind that I donât give a zb it ainât me whoâs going to be facing the dole and a potential criminal charge the next time a pile it high to keep it short âload bearingâ curtainsiderâs roof predictably letâs go.
Franglais:
On the third image, is that white square on the curtain an EN-12642-XL cert? Fuzzy on my screen.
If so it doesn`t necessarily need strapping on every pallet to be legal.
I may have made a big assumption based on finding 13 or more internal straps each side unless one or more is missing, but I didnât know there was scope to miss a pallet with the internals on an xl trailer and still be 100%.
Franglais:
On the third image, is that white square on the curtain an EN-12642-XL cert? Fuzzy on my screen.
If so it doesn`t necessarily need strapping on every pallet to be legal.
I may have made a big assumption based on finding 13 or more internal straps each side unless one or more is missing, but I didnât know there was scope to miss a pallet with the internals on an xl trailer and still be 100%.
If you have a positive fit then you don`t need any internals.
âTrailers and vehicles built to the EN 12642 XL standard can withstand a minimum of 40% of the rated payload to the side - without extra load securing - when following the manufacturerâs guidance.
DVSA accept an EN 12642 XL rated vehicle/trailer keeping 50% of the rated payload to the side without any extra securing, as long as the load fills the entire load area to the front, rear and to within 80mm of the side. This is often called a âpositive fitâ.â
Depending on the type of load etc etc, then internals might well be a good idea, but not necessary.
Here is Don Bur:https://donbur.co.uk/gb-en/docs/150908-EN-12642-XL-Laymans-Guide.pdf
It states that the side wall in an XL trailer is good for 50% load restraint, as required. No mention of additional straps.
Ive known these trailers driven like they were go-karts. The pallets 24T worth, collapsed but the load stayed inside the trailer. The same driver that manged that, rolled a fully laden truck on a motorway junction. They will do a lot, but there will always be someone who assumes that so long as half the wheels arent airborne they aren`t going too fast. When all the wheels do look up at the sky, then nothing much is any good.
Box trailers won`t hold in a load with a determined numpty sat the wheel.
njl:
I may have made a big assumption based on finding 13 or more internal straps each side unless one or more is missing, but I didnât know there was scope to miss a pallet with the internals on an xl trailer and still be 100%.
If you have a positive fit then you don`t need any internals.
âTrailers and vehicles built to the EN 12642 XL standard can withstand a minimum of 40% of the rated payload to the side - without extra load securing - when following the manufacturerâs guidance.
DVSA accept an EN 12642 XL rated vehicle/trailer keeping 50% of the rated payload to the side without any extra securing, as long as the load fills the entire load area to the front, rear and to within 80mm of the side. This is often called a âpositive fitâ.â
Depending on the type of load etc etc, then internals might well be a good idea, but not necessary.
Ive known these trailers driven like they were go-karts. The pallets 24T worth, collapsed but the load stayed inside the trailer. The same driver that manged that, rolled a fully laden truck on a motorway junction. They will do a lot, but there will always be someone who assumes that so long as half the wheels arent airborne they aren`t going too fast. When all the wheels do look up at the sky, then nothing much is any good.
Box trailers won`t hold in a load with a determined numpty sat the wheel.
Thanks, I had a scan through the Laymanâs Guide, I probably need XL rating for Dummies.
I have a niggle that Iâve been told before that XL rating isnât just about the curtain but the trailer as a whole and I have taken from that that the straps (internals) as supplied are used in conjunction with the curtain to achieve the rating.
As I read the Don Bur doc Iâd propose that where they suggest additional load securing could be used that might be 5 ton ratchets or sails down the length in an instance where additional is needed.
I am in no way suggesting iâm right on this but just putting it back out there in the off chance I am!
njl:
I may have made a big assumption based on finding 13 or more internal straps each side unless one or more is missing, but I didnât know there was scope to miss a pallet with the internals on an xl trailer and still be 100%.
If you have a positive fit then you don`t need any internals.
âTrailers and vehicles built to the EN 12642 XL standard can withstand a minimum of 40% of the rated payload to the side - without extra load securing - when following the manufacturerâs guidance.
DVSA accept an EN 12642 XL rated vehicle/trailer keeping 50% of the rated payload to the side without any extra securing, as long as the load fills the entire load area to the front, rear and to within 80mm of the side. This is often called a âpositive fitâ.â
Depending on the type of load etc etc, then internals might well be a good idea, but not necessary.
Ive known these trailers driven like they were go-karts. The pallets 24T worth, collapsed but the load stayed inside the trailer. The same driver that manged that, rolled a fully laden truck on a motorway junction. They will do a lot, but there will always be someone who assumes that so long as half the wheels arent airborne they aren`t going too fast. When all the wheels do look up at the sky, then nothing much is any good.
Box trailers won`t hold in a load with a determined numpty sat the wheel.
Thanks, I had a scan through the Laymanâs Guide, I probably need XL rating for Dummies.
I have a niggle that Iâve been told before that XL rating isnât just about the curtain but the trailer as a whole and I have taken from that that the straps (internals) as supplied are used in conjunction with the curtain to achieve the rating.
As I read the Don Bur doc Iâd propose that where they suggest additional load securing could be used that might be 5 ton ratchets or sails down the length in an instance where additional is needed.
I am in no way suggesting iâm right on this but just putting it back out there in the off chance I am!
As I read the makers guide, the curtain provides the necessary side restraint. It does need the mentioned "positive fit" and does need the pallets to be well stacked, with good cartons or whatever, and well wrapped, but it does work. Depending on the actual load I may use internals, but I dont see that as a requirement to conform to regulations, just a bit of beltnbraces.
Carrying timber, it may be wide enough to touch the sides, but I wouldn`t dream of carrying that without ratchet straps.
Palletised goods, well wrapped, no need.
Franglais:
As I read the maker`s guide, the curtain provides the necessary side restraint.
The collapsed roof is the clue that it ultimately does no such thing.
Internal straps and/ior âload bearingâ curtains are all totally dependent on the strength and integrity of the roof structure holding them.
: i.imgur.com/zz9nRb7.jpg
And all those kegs are full. That roundabout into Hams Hall estate with the nasty camber on it was always taken gingerly at about 10 mph 
