Thenks Del
From what I can see here there is a fundamental difference in the two.
The CPC classroom & the NVQ practical.
NVQ = Not Very Qualified
NUR = No Use Rushing
NCB = translates as No one is bothered 
Wheel Nut:
NVQ = Not Very QualifiedNUR = No Use Rushing
NCB = translates as No one is bothered
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]I am a bit slow but eventually got that, very good.
Hombre:
NVQ = No Viable Qualification!!What a complete waste of time and money - that includes the driver CPC as well.
Companies and drivers would benefit far more by putting drivers through advanced driver courses - such as those run by Scania many years ago.
Quite how sitting in a classroom listening to some idiot who probably cant even climb into a truck, let alone drive one babbling on about all manner of pontless crap will be of benefit I really cant imagine.
A strong opinion and certain points I would agree with.
BUT I must point out that some of the training companies delivering the Driver CPC training are doing so off the back of previous experience in the haulage industry- run by ex drivers for drivers. So not all IDIOTS. 
The pointless crap (or pontless) as you put it, will depend on the type of course the individual companies are running. It is possible for transport companies to shop around and find courses that suit the type of work they do.
All we can hope is that,although we have no choice about doing it, drivers do find the training they get to be of a high standard and beneficial- thats how I aim my training to be. 
chevmac:
Hombre:
NVQ = No Viable Qualification!!What a complete waste of time and money - that includes the driver CPC as well.
Companies and drivers would benefit far more by putting drivers through advanced driver courses - such as those run by Scania many years ago.
Quite how sitting in a classroom listening to some idiot who probably cant even climb into a truck, let alone drive one babbling on about all manner of pontless crap will be of benefit I really cant imagine.
A strong opinion and certain points I would agree with.
BUT I must point out that some of the training companies delivering the Driver CPC training are doing so off the back of previous experience in the haulage industry- run by ex drivers for drivers. So not all IDIOTS.
The pointless crap (or pontless) as you put it, will depend on the type of course the individual companies are running. It is possible for transport companies to shop around and find courses that suit the type of work they do.All we can hope is that,although we have no choice about doing it, drivers do find the training they get to be of a high standard and beneficial- thats how I aim my training to be.
No wonder yous disagree though.
He may well have to pay a wedge out to you to get it. 
aranger:
chevmac:
Hombre:
NVQ = No Viable Qualification!!What a complete waste of time and money - that includes the driver CPC as well.
Companies and drivers would benefit far more by putting drivers through advanced driver courses - such as those run by Scania many years ago.
Quite how sitting in a classroom listening to some idiot who probably cant even climb into a truck, let alone drive one babbling on about all manner of pontless crap will be of benefit I really cant imagine.
A strong opinion and certain points I would agree with.
BUT I must point out that some of the training companies delivering the Driver CPC training are doing so off the back of previous experience in the haulage industry- run by ex drivers for drivers. So not all IDIOTS.
The pointless crap (or pontless) as you put it, will depend on the type of course the individual companies are running. It is possible for transport companies to shop around and find courses that suit the type of work they do.All we can hope is that,although we have no choice about doing it, drivers do find the training they get to be of a high standard and beneficial- thats how I aim my training to be.
No wonder yous disagree though.
He may well have to pay a wedge out to you to get it.
If he shops around like anything I’m sure he will find a good deal
It’s the oponion that a minority of people have that the training is going to be delivered by someone who knows squat about the job.
NOT always the case
And even the trainers have to do the course if they want to keep driving
some info on the trainers
Joint Approvals Unit for Periodic Training (JAUPT).
Approved Centre and Course Auditing
All approved training centres and courses are subject to audit by the Joint Approvals Unit for Periodic Training (JAUPT).Centre and course auditing will start from 10th September 2008 for PCV centres and 10th September 2009 for LGV Centres. All centres will get at least one visit in each 5 year approval period.
All approved centres will be risk rated by the JAUPT, based on the information contained within their centre approval application. Factors that will influence the risk rating will be things such as the qualifications held by trainers delivering the centre’s approved courses, previous approvals by organisations such as an Awarding Body and other relevant information given on the application form. The programme of approved centre audit visits will reflect the risk ratings allocated to centres.
Centres will be contacted by the JAUPT to arrange appointment for an auditor to visit. The visit will be arranged for a day when a Driver CPC course is taking place as part of the visit will involve observing delivery of an approved course. The audit visit will involve the following:
Inspection of centre documentation such as records of training delivered (including name of trainer), trainer qualifications / experience for delivery of specific courses, up to date records of sub-centre addresses (or any other locations training is delivered), policies such as H&S, trainer CPD, QA, Equal Opportunities, data protection, vehicle documentation (if appropriate).
Review of the general management of the centre, including procedures for identity checking of drivers, use of the central driver recording database, use of course evaluations and quality assurance (including systems to manage any multi site delivery).
Discussion with the Driver CPC Course Administrator to go through the administration process for a specific course.
Appraisal of the delivery of a course by sitting in on the course for at least 2 hours at the start or finish.
General discussion with the trainer about procedures, course delivery and staff training.
Collection of the contact details of a sample of drivers and their employers in order to contact them directly to obtain feedback
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What qualifications do trainers need to be able to deliver training?
Annex 1 Section 5 of the Directive details the conditions; these include:
“Instructors must provide certification showing a knowledge of both the subject matter and teaching methods”
“With regard to practical training, instructors must provide certification of experience as professional drivers or similar driving experience such as that of driving instructors for heavy vehicles.”
some more info with regard NVQ
Driver CPC - National Vocational Training (NVT) Option
The LGV/PCV Driver Training Directive allows for new drivers who are working towards their Driver CPC to undertake an approved National Vocational Training (NVT) programme alongside their Initial Driver CPC.The NVT option enables drivers who have achieved Module 1 and Module 3 to enrol on an approved NVT programme for up to 12 months whilst they complete their remaining Driver CPC modules. This effectively enables drivers to drive professionally for up to 12 months whilst they complete the Driver CPC. This 12 month period is known as an NVT Concession.
Drivers who take part in an approved NVT programme will be following two linked training courses at the same time: one that leads to their Driver CPC and one that leads to an accredited national qualification such as an NVQ. Any of the following qualifications are approved for the NVT concession:
N/SVQ in Driving Goods Vehicles
N/SVQ in Carry and Deliver Goods
BTEC in Carry & Deliver Goods
It is important to note that the two qualifications (the Initial Driver CPC and the qualification followed as part of the NVT programme) will be assessed and awarded separately. The Driver CPC assessments will not be affected by performance on the qualification followed via the NVT Programme.In order to benefit from the NVT concession, drivers will have to register with the Driving Standards Agency (DSA), providing evidence that they are registered on an approved qualification. They will be issued with a NVT concession card which is valid for up to one year. The concession will start from either the beginning of the NVT programme or the date when the driver acquires their vocational driving licence, which ever is the most recent.Periodic Training
Approval for training centres to deliver Periodic Training lasts 5 years, although if applications are made before 10th September 2009 (LGV) the initial approval period will still last until 9th September 2014 (LGV). Each approved centre will be audited at least once in every five year period by the JAUPT. Please go to drivercpc-periodictraining.org for more information on the audit process.
Approval for courses is annually — courses will be reviewed by the JAUPT to ensure they are kept up to date and to monitor the quality of their delivery. Courses must be at least 7 hours long (excluding breaks), and up to a maximum of 35 hours. The start date for course approval will be 10th September 2009 (LGV) whenever the course is actually approved prior to this date, although any courses that are approved during 2007 or 2008 will be reviewed before September 2009 (LGV) (without additional charge) to ensure they are still current.
For more information on becoming an approved centre and a copy of the ‘Guide to Periodic Training for Training Providers and Employers’ please go to drivercpc-periodictraining.org
In conjuction with GoSkills, Skills for Logistics have produced the following guides for Operators to help them make informed decisions about Periodic Training and the best way to ensure they meet the requirements. Please click on the links below:
Driver CPC Periodic Training Guide for Freight Operators
Driver CPC Periodic Training Funding advice
We done our N V Q through Milton Keynes College. Not to much trouble, lots of silly questions to answer they are written by college people so don’t make sence, we found we had to read very carefully to undestand the way they are written.