No more honeymoon period for EV owners

Hydrogen could be a fuel for existing ICEs, if converted. Would that be a good plan for the future?

Since hydrogen is difficult to store and transport, and because it is not free, future vehicles will be trying to make the most efficient use of it.
Do ICEs convert H to distance travelled more or less efficiently than fuel cell electric vehicles?
And since fuel cell electric vehicles have many fewer moving parts, aren’t they going to be cheaper to maintain?

Given that the next generations will not have grown up with growling V8s, and open roads where driving is an end in itself, they will probably be after the most efficient vehicles.

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Moving the goalposts. When you buy a car, you should know that VED you will be paying for the life of the car, with only possibly inflation added.

It will all boil down to how hydrogen will be produced. If it’s anything but green hydrogen made from excess renewable energy, it will come up against NetZero & will need expensive CCS (carbon capture & storage) technology to mitigate emissions.

Absolutely.
“Blue” hydrogen, produced from fossil fuels has at least 30 or more times the carbon footprint of “Green” hydrogen, produced from renewable electricity.

Hydrogen is means of getting energy from the source (renewable electricity production site) to point of use (a vehicle).
It is in competition with cables and batteries.

To be practical it needs to stored at high pressure in a vehicle, think 10,000psi or 700atm.
In depot storage it looks like storage in liquid or slush form. So about 20deg K, or minus 250deg C.
It has been, is being, done, but far from easy.

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There was a ‘public’ hydrogen fuelling ststion at Honda Swindon until the site closed.

I talked to one of the staff about it, if I recall correctly at best it would get used once a week.

Hydrogen Refuelling Station Opens at Honda in Swindon | Honda Global Corporate Website

100%. I have the Polestar and its 0-60 is 4.5 seconds, about a second quicker than the Ferrari Testarossa I once dreamed of one day owning. How times have changed.

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I am not sure whether HICE engines are really efficient for smaller vehicles. HICE engines still emit some harmful emissions which might see them frowned upon by the green folks. I get the benefits for HGV’s but the infastructure that would be required to maintain modern logistics would be huge and surely not be viable without a significant uptake from private vehicles. Until EV technology stalls, I cant really see a place for another option quite yet.

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I have heard that pure electric cars can be difficult to deal with in the winter. I gather prewarming while still plugged in can help, so really it seems like people need a dedicated charger at home if going to be doing miles every day in winter.

A lot of energy goes in to keeping the driver / passengers warm, whereas with petrol / diesel the warmth was a by-product that was there anyway.

As expected freedom of choice isn’t part of your Socialist agenda.
So give them the choice of the possibly less efficient, straight 6 or V8 and bonus a manual transmission.
Bearing in mind your efficiency and maintenance costs claims are hypothetical and unproven.

Maybe @lancpudn would care to tell us how much the maintenance is on his vehicle compared to an IC engined one?
I would guess that the engine and gearbox oil changes, and clutch replacement are a lot less.

That is undoubted I think.

In terms of the energy, I believe that the manufacture of the batteries uses a lot and I don’t know how clean that all is.

What I want to know is where is all the clean energy coming from that will all have to come from the grid.

So the cars are zero emission, but how many nuclear power stations is it going to require to make sure everyone can get around?

Edit: There will obviously be massive energy loss on the grid. Has that all been factored in?

I had a Kia Niro PHEV for three years then I traded that in for a Gen 1 MG ZS EV which I had for four years then this Gen 2 MG ZS EV. The only things I’ve had done maintenance wise at service intervals have been cabin filters & the three years traction battery coolant flush & the brake fluid flush. Pretty much B/S things but you have to have them done to keep the 7 year warranty & AA breakdown cover.

The brake pads & rotor discs were as new on the four-year service on the Gen 1 & all tyres had between 5-6 mm tread depth. The almost one pedal driving rarely uses them, I judge the regen & just dab the brakes to come to a complete stop in normal driving.

Never had a problem with any of these EVs, My missus didn’t much like the Kia Niro but likes the MG ZS EV as she finds it easy to drive & get in & out of.

Offshore wind farms are enormous on the East Coast & especially the Dogger bank area, They’re growing YOY & are now some of the biggest in the world.
I’m in the middle of a six-month trial now with OHME charger & tech institutions to monitor people’s charging habits so they can get data for when they can use millions of BEV owners battery traction packs for V2G in the near future. The national grid reckons there’s around 5 power stations worth of energy sat in people’s EV’s & by 2030 there will be millions more to tap into to balance the grid.
Of course, you will be able to opt out or just tell the car how much you need for the next day, you will get paid for the energy they take.

I’m on the second stage two of this national trial where you basically just leave the car plugged in & hand over the charger to them by Wi-Fi.

There is a caveat, though! You won’t be able to charge your EV in the morning or evening peak times, but that doesn’t affect our charging regime.
I’ll get paid for doing this trial next April when it ends.

Yes the heating uses a large amount of power in Winter, I can pre-heat mine whilst plugged in & demist the screen through the MG ismart phone prior to using it, heated steering wheel helps greatly & seat warmers use less than having the heating on full blast, Some EV’s now have heated seat belts.

Solar panels. As soon as I bought an electric car I bought the panels. Charging the car helps to pay back the cost quicker.

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I have a V charge at home. I control the car from my phone while plugged in so it is warm and defrosted for when i get in it (I say that but I haven’t actually defrosted it yet but can and will when i need to).

It hasn’t got cold yet but I am always changing temperature and hardly notice any reduction in mileage, the tech onboard is far superior to an ICE car and manages the environment pretty well.

I love the freedom the EV brings and dont miss fuelling up.

Very interesting replies, thanks.

No doubt the batteries will get better, which may mean drivers can charge quickly and don’t need a charger at home.

A dedicated parking space and a dedicated charger is cloud cuckoo land for many many people in this country because our housing is so packed in.

You can charge quickly in most places TBH. However, it is quite expensive to charge at a public charging station and certainly wouldnt make owning an EV viable.

The issue that is constantly thrown at me is range. I always get “The range isnt there,” etc. It is an arguments i dont get.

The pros (For me) No messing around in garages, more storage space, Faster/accelerates quicker, More fun to drive, One pedal mode is great, tech is more substantial, no engine noise - i accept that’s a negative if you have a V8 but certainly not over most engines. Longer service intervals, cheaper running costs. Smoother drive and safer ratings. I wouldnt go back to ICE

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The biggest problem for me is I have yet to see a public charging point ie services or supermarket where I could charge up with my caravan hitched up.