Sorry, my mistake. NOM includes an evening meal, so employers should not pay a meal allowance in respect of that meal if the driver is getting NOM for that night,
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So basically its a tax scam then along with all the rest
it makes your weeks wages sound good but in actual fact your still on a low daily rate
Its like all the rest of all these so called bonus schemes for fuel etc.
Or like the agency saying you can earn up to £30 a hour when in actual fact you can but just for one hour of the week !
Or some crowds saying average salary of 30k when in fact most is 20k apart from the odd person that works day and night with no life outside of work
All these should be done away and what you should be told is your take home pay for x amount of hours.
Its your take home pay that matters regardless how they dress it up with night out , meal allowance, fuel bonus s etc
Roymondo:
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The £5 is called an “incidental expense” now
For which you should now get receipts!
It really is something that HMRC should have left alone. Drivers work away, they have costs that people who go home at night don’t. It’s pretty simple and a simple fixed rate is easy to understand and account for.
Just some thoughts. Please feel free to disagree if you wish.
There is a company in the East Midlands who pay their drivers £50 for a night out, they only do 2 or 3 nights out a year. The thought behind this is that as the drivers do so few nights out they wont have night out gear so need to book a Travelodge or something similar. The drivers then stay in there cabs and HMRC says where is the receipt because if they are staying in an hotel then the tax threshold is higher.
A large haulage company with depots all over the country advertises a job at £13.50 ish an hour. When you read the small print this hourly rate says that it includes night out money and meal allowance. HMRC then says is that the hourly rate or not.
There is a large haulage company in Cheshire who pay their drivers night out money even if they spend the night back in the yard.
I suspect there are many more going on as well.
Also the if HMRC does decide some or all of our allowances are being paid are wrong then we could have a tax liability.
Just some ball park figures .
You have been overpaid £50 per month or £600 per year then you would owe about £120 for every year and if they decided to go back a few years then it could get expensive.
As I said just some of my personal thoughts which may be right, wrong or somewhere in the middle.
igloo mike:
Just some thoughts. Please feel free to disagree if you wish.There is a company in the East Midlands who pay their drivers £50 for a night out, they only do 2 or 3 nights out a year. The thought behind this is that as the drivers do so few nights out they wont have night out gear so need to book a Travelodge or something similar. The drivers then stay in there cabs and HMRC says where is the receipt because if they are staying in an hotel then the tax threshold is higher.
In which case, there is tax to pay as there always has been, unless a receipt can be magicked up.
A large haulage company with depots all over the country advertises a job at £13.50 ish an hour. When you read the small print this hourly rate says that it includes night out money and meal allowance. HMRC then says is that the hourly rate or not.
If they pay tax on the full £13.50 p.h., it doesn’t matter how you describe it or how the company break it down.
There is a large haulage company in Cheshire who pay their drivers night out money even if they spend the night back in the yard.
And they are going to have to provide receipts or restructure their pay
I suspect there are many more going on as well.
Also the if HMRC does decide some or all of our allowances are being paid are wrong then we could have a tax liability.
Just some ball park figures .
You have been overpaid £50 per month or £600 per year then you would owe about £120 for every year and if they decided to go back a few years then it could get expensive.As I said just some of my personal thoughts which may be right, wrong or somewhere in the middle.
They aren’t going to go back a few years as the requirement to provide receiptsonly came in from April this year.
As I said before, we changed it so our night out is payed gross, when the tax element is taken off the gross figure, then the figure is the same as the night out payment in March 2017. Costs us around £7k a year.
albion:
For which you should now get receipts!It really is something that HMRC should have left alone. Drivers work away, they have costs that people who go home at night don’t. It’s pretty simple and a simple fixed rate is easy to understand and account for.
Unfortunately HMRC like an easy touch especially when plebs are involved.
When i started my night out money was £9, you could either cab it (as in day cab it) or get digs. My wage was around £90 per week at that time (1979)
If nights out were calculated to the same percentage today I would be on about 60 per night out, I aint, I’m on £22.50 
(and all parking paid for)
Also I was on 30 quid 10 yrs ago working for a much better company)
Wtf happened. 
albion:
For which you should now get receipts!It really is something that HMRC should have left alone. Drivers work away, they have costs that people who go home at night don’t. It’s pretty simple and a simple fixed rate is easy to understand and account for.
I do agree with you Albion.
A tax free fixed amount, easy to administer for the TaxMan, employers and employees, or loads of time and effort, for all of us, for no tangible overall gain? It`ll be the latter then.
Also, years ago the night out money was paid up front, every office had a Float petty cash…so if you were going up the road for 2 nights, you were paid £2.50 cash no receipts…ha ha seems like only yesterday…but at least you had a clean bed, a few pints, and fish and chips…and enough for 2 packets of woodbines…ha ha those were the days.
Not that much at all !
