Shelf stackers earn nowt at home but you said they are on zero hour contracts while your on £13 per hour, to me that means you have a contract paying you when your at home if not your also on zero hours with no rights but most shelf stackers will be getting benifits so still earning. You then say you don’t have to work bank holidays but on another post you want to work them for more money which is it?
The first rule of people with decent driving jobs: we don’t talk about our decent driving jobs!
They are out there, if you cant find them as an experienced driver, it says more about you than the job market.
mac12:
Shelf stackers earn nowt at home but you said they are on zero hour contracts while your on £13 per hour, to me that means you have a contract paying you when your at home if not your also on zero hours with no rights but most shelf stackers will be getting benifits so still earning. You then say you don’t have to work bank holidays but on another post you want to work them for more money which is it?
You misunderstand mate. I said I was self employed, so basically on a zero hour contract. Which is probably the SAME as most shelf stackers, as it’s not exactly a career path for the directly employed…
So my question to you is simple: Do shelf stackers earn £13 an hour?
As for me saying on another thread that i would work bank holidays, yes I would, but it wouldn’t be for £13 an hour! 
I don’t see that as ambiguous, or a contradiction. I just see that on my normal gig that pays me £13 an hour, I don’t have to work a single banks holiday (where shelf stackers probably would) and I can CHOOSE to work those, and can CHOOSE what rate I want to do it on! 
So in summary, I’m waiting for you to find me a shelf stackers job where the pay and T&C are as good as me being a truck driver!
As that is where this discussion started… 
Captain Caveman 76:
The first rule of people with decent driving jobs: we don’t talk about our decent driving jobs!
They are out there, if you cant find them as an experienced driver, it says more about you than the job market.
I know mate, but I get a bit sick of the morons posting their tripe/personal failing on the Newbie forum!
It’s twice as funny, as I’m not even an experienced driver! 
i tend to agree with Evil.
The jobs are out there even for newbies and if in someone’s view being a shelf-stacker is a better job than so be it, no problem with that. Everyone has to make their own choices. The problems arise when someone moans about something but sits straight on his arse and does not move a finger to do something about it.
Evil8Beezle:
Captain Caveman 76:
The first rule of people with decent driving jobs: we don’t talk about our decent driving jobs!
They are out there, if you cant find them as an experienced driver, it says more about you than the job market.I know mate, but I get a bit sick of the morons posting their tripe/personal failing on the Newbie forum!
It’s twice as funny, as I’m not even an experienced driver!
That wasn’t a pop at you, it was a pop at v4olly or whatever he’s called now.
It actually took me 18 months to get to where I am now. Earning more money for less hours in a less stressfull environment than teaching!
I started off driving transits despite having a c+e licence as it was the only work I could get at the time!
Captain Caveman 76:
Evil8Beezle:
Captain Caveman 76:
The first rule of people with decent driving jobs: we don’t talk about our decent driving jobs!
They are out there, if you cant find them as an experienced driver, it says more about you than the job market.I know mate, but I get a bit sick of the morons posting their tripe/personal failing on the Newbie forum!
It’s twice as funny, as I’m not even an experienced driver!That wasn’t a pop at you, it was a pop at v4olly or whatever he’s called now.
It actually took me 18 months to get to where I am now. Earning more money for less hours in a less stressfull environment than teaching!
I started off driving transits despite having a c+e licence as it was the only work I could get at the time!
I didn’t take it as a pop at me mate, as I figured there was a Fight Club reference going on in there!
I was just enjoying the opportunity to show up V40LLY/SANCHEZ for what he is, and Mac12 helped me along with that!
I’ve not even had a drink, so could have really gone off one if I had!
I didn’t take it as a pop at me mate, as I figured there was a Fight Club reference going on in there!
I was just enjoying the opportunity to show up V40LLY/SANCHEZ for what he is, and Mac12 helped me along with that!
I’ve not even had a drink, so could have really gone off one if I had!
Will you be selling tickets for that one or will we get it for free?
Ps good spot on the fight club reference!
Priest:
i tend to agree with Evil.The jobs are out there even for newbies and if in someone’s view being a shelf-stacker is a better job than so be it, no problem with that. Everyone has to make their own choices. The problems arise when someone moans about something but sits straight on his arse and does not move a finger to do something about it.
Thanks pal, and if Newbie’s put the effort in, show a bit of diligence and don’t screw up through their own negligence, there are opportunities, that (in my opinion) are better than shelf stackers jobs & wages… I appreciate that I’ve been very lucky and probably at the top end of Newbie agency wages. But there have been others at my firm that I’ve seen come and go, all because of their own actions, attitude and diligence (or lack of it… 
)
And as I’m a bit of a gobby git on here, I’m happy to challenge those that haven’t made the effort, and as a result, may as well be stacking shelves, as they can’t get into, or keep a better paying job. It’s not even like my job is even hard, as I go out in the morning with a truck full of pallets, a drop list, and am pretty much left to get on with it… Sometimes I bring drops back for one reason or another. But my TM knows it isn’t because I’m tossing it off, as I’ve got his trust because I’ve proved myself and have the right attitude…
It’s not rocket science, but it’s clearly to difficult to comprehend for the likes of SANCHEZ/V40LLY or whatever identity he pops up with next…
In fact, I’m looking forward to when he logs on again and resorts to his HIGHY predicatable routine of calling me a thick, dirty, smelly truck driver!
He’s a splenetic little fellow!
Captain Caveman 76:
I didn’t take it as a pop at me mate, as I figured there was a Fight Club reference going on in there!
I was just enjoying the opportunity to show up V40LLY/SANCHEZ for what he is, and Mac12 helped me along with that!
I’ve not even had a drink, so could have really gone off one if I had!Will you be selling tickets for that one or will we get it for free?
Ps good spot on the fight club reference!
It will be free mate, I ONLY screw agencies if I can!
I don’t no any but then ive not looked, i do no that a shelf stacker doing 16 hours and claiming benefits could be earning as much as you. Your £13 is good but not when your sat at home earning nothing such as now or on holiday what is your money for the year
While your a new driver you think it’s wonderful i hope you think the same in 5 or 10 years ive been there and would never recommend driving to anyone only last week i think you did a 15.5 hour day (at least the shelf stacker knows his start and finish time) how many jobs is it legal to work a 82 hour week. Why is it the truck driver has to start work in the middle of the night so a fork truck driver can work decent hours
mac12:
I don’t no any but then ive not looked, i do no that a shelf stacker doing 16 hours and claiming benefits could be earning as much as you. Your £13 is good but not when your sat at home earning nothing such as now or on holiday what is your money for the year
While your a new driver you think it’s wonderful i hope you think the same in 5 or 10 years ive been there and would never recommend driving to anyone only last week i think you did a 15.5 hour day (at least the shelf stacker knows his start and finish time) how many jobs is it legal to work a 82 hour week. Why is it the truck driver has to start work in the middle of the night so a fork truck driver can work decent hours
Oh dear, so you basically can’t find a shelf stacker’s job on £13 an hour with equivalent T&C’s then?
I’ve NEVER done a 15.5 hour shift, and only ever ONCE done a shift over 13 hours, of which I have the police to thank for that while they did a full ADR check on me, the truck and my load. As for me working a 15.5 hours shift, and the dig that you don’t think I know my start and end times, and therefore the tacho regs, I think you are confusing me with ash001 mate! (Cheap missed shot by the way! )
The most I’ve ever worked in a week is 58.5 hours, and on a couple of occasions I’ve said no to my TM when he’s asked me if I’d pull a late one - How many shelf stackers can say that without repercussions?
Next I’ve no idea what you are getting at about what I earn while I’m sat at home, as I’m not aware that shelf stacker’s get paid while being sat at home either? 
I’ve also ALREADY stated that I ONLY work Monday to Friday and start at 7am, so I’ve no idea why you are bringing up starting in the middle of the night either? 
I’d also not recommend a pup with their whole career ahead of them becoming a trucker, so we have something we do agree on!
However, we may have different motives for this, as I can’t see (with the advance of technology) it being a career for life for a school leaver. And I would warn them off it for that, and the fact it’s probably not a career conducive to family life etc… But I’m not a pup, I’m 44 and have been there and pretty much done it all pal. I’ve had the corporate job and life, so have seen the other side of things, can you say the same? There are pro’s and con’s to all jobs, and the grass is NOT always greener on the other side…
In comparison to the corporate world of IT, driving is a piece of ■■■■ to me, and almost ZERO stress! Yes I may not be earning what I used to, but I appreciate and KNOW (that’s how you spell it! ) that generally the more you earn, the more stress you generally have to put up with. And while I’m driving a truck, I don’t have to help the general public find the Baked Beans in isle 5!
Basically you are getting desperate mate as you have lost the argument, and are now clutching at straws and getting personal. I could get further involved in playing that game mate, but I’ll rise above it and let you be on your merry way. Happy Xmas pal!
A good job is more than just how much it pays. That is part of the reason why I’m still where I’m at now when I really could be earning more as a shelf stacker at Lincoln Asda for more money. Sure the supermarket job might be better paid but it sure as zb isn’t better working conditions. As like you Evil, I’m given a list which is even ordered up in case my sub-human brain couldn’t put two and two together then told “off you trot”. Thats it. Anything happens I phone the office and let them deal with it. I’m left alone because the office knows I’ll get the job done. As I mentioned in another thread, the only reason I get phoned at all is if they are bored or dsperate for the export cargo.
Shelf stackers cant put the hours in a driver can so can’t earn the same amount of money per week, also they have to work every hour they get paid for (physically) drivers get paid for a lot of hours per week for just sitting there or steering a wheel with cc on. Yes hard parts as well but over all good weekly wage for work done.
You can look at it in a bad way or good way as they say the glass is half full or half empty depending on your outlook.
Stobarts and Great Bear take new passes should have a depot near you ask on here im sure people will know where nearest depot is to you.
I have done a few days agency for Great Bear out of a Unilver site, try a few agency’s if you need to and get a few contacts to go direct.
Good luck
If this job don’t come off on the 4th then I’ll be going door knocking all over I’m registered with nearly every agencie in hull apart from a couple and they are the same they want a year experience I’ve applied for over 70 jobs and not heard nothing back so it’s not for a lack of trying just can’t get any body to give me a chance in hull
Evil8Beezle:
mac12:
I don’t no any but then ive not looked, i do no that a shelf stacker doing 16 hours and claiming benefits could be earning as much as you. Your £13 is good but not when your sat at home earning nothing such as now or on holiday what is your money for the year
While your a new driver you think it’s wonderful i hope you think the same in 5 or 10 years ive been there and would never recommend driving to anyone only last week i think you did a 15.5 hour day (at least the shelf stacker knows his start and finish time) how many jobs is it legal to work a 82 hour week. Why is it the truck driver has to start work in the middle of the night so a fork truck driver can work decent hoursOh dear, so you basically can’t find a shelf stacker’s job on £13 an hour with equivalent T&C’s then?
I’ve NEVER done a 15.5 hour shift, and only ever ONCE done a shift over 13 hours, of which I have the police to thank for that while they did a full ADR check on me, the truck and my load. As for me working a 15.5 hours shift, and the dig that you don’t think I know my start and end times, and therefore the tacho regs, I think you are confusing me with ash001 mate!
The most I’ve ever worked in a week is 58.5 hours, and on a couple of occasions I’ve said no to my TM when he’s asked me if I’d pull a late one - How many shelf stackers can say that without repercussions?Next I’ve no idea what you are getting at about what I earn while I’m sat at home, as I’m not aware that shelf stacker’s get paid while being sat at home either?
I’d also not recommend a pup with their whole career ahead of them becoming a trucker, so we have something we do agree on!
However, we may have different motives for this, as I can’t see (with the advance of technology) it being a career for life for a school leaver. And I would warn them off it for that, and the fact it’s probably not a career conducive to family life etc… But I’m not a pup, I’m 44 and have been there and pretty much done it all pal. I’ve had the corporate job and life, so have seen the other side of things, can you say the same? There are pro’s and con’s to all jobs, and the grass is NOT always greener on the other side…
In comparison to the corporate world of IT, driving is a piece of ■■■■ to me, and almost ZERO stress! Yes I may not be earning what I used to, but I appreciate and KNOW (that’s how you spell it!Basically you are getting desperate mate as you have lost the argument, and are now clutching at straws and getting personal. I could get further involved in playing that game mate, but I’ll rise above it and let you be on your merry way. Happy Xmas pal!
I don’t normally bother replying to posts like this but think this time I have to due to you answering before reading.
I can’t find a shelf stackers job because I can’t be bothered to look but have seen them before paying £9 per hour. I have seen truck drivers jobs paying £7.50 and think someone posted on here about a month ago that if you worked all there hours out they was on £5.90. I would be interested to know what your T&Cs are to compare because few drivers have any.
With regards to pay what I’m trying to say you have worked 2 days this week so at 10 hours a day £290 for the week and maybe no idea what’s happening next week, someone working 16 hours in a shop and claiming all there benefits will be earning more so therefore earning while at home unlike you working for an agency I’m on a salary so even though at home today still getting paid. I think something like 70% of the tax Tesco pays comes back to there staff it may not be right but that’s how it is. It’s how much you earn in a year and how many hours you do to get it that matters.
Now hours Ash did say he had been out with you for 15.5 hours but I’m not having a dig at you about that I’ve done more myself what I’m saying is that when you leave at 7 you don’t know when or even if you will be back the shop worker knows when he’s going home before he starts, I know with my job what shift I will be working all next year. I did not say you started in the middle of the night I said why should truck drivers start just so a fork truck driver can work decent hours.
mac12:
I don’t normally bother replying to posts like this but think this time I have to due to you answering before reading.
Am I psychic then? Or you just don’t want to answer as you know you’ve lost the argument…
mac12:
I can’t find a shelf stackers job because I can’t be bothered to look but have seen them before paying £9 per hour.
So you can’t find one that pays £13 an hour!
mac12:
I have seen truck drivers jobs paying £7.50 and think someone posted on here about a month ago that if you worked all there hours out they was on £5.90.
More fool them then! An employer will obviousy pay as little as an employee will accept and do the job for.
And if you pay peanuts, expect…
mac12:
I would be interested to know what your T&Cs are to compare because few drivers have any.
The same as your average shelf stacker, I thought we had established that. Maybe you need to read and digest!
mac12:
With regards to pay what I’m trying to say you have worked 2 days this week so at 10 hours a day £290 for the week and maybe no idea what’s happening next week, someone working 16 hours in a shop and claiming all there benefits will be earning more so therefore earning while at home unlike you working for an agency.
How is that any different to me, as I could do the same. Except when I DO work, I get £13 an hour (Not £8, which I suspect is good for stacking shelves…), and that is £260 for 2 x 10 hour shift, and not £290 pal!
mac12:
I’m on a salary so even though at home today still getting paid.
How is that relevant, we are talking about shelf stackers, what they earn and what I earn on the same “zero hours” arrangement…
mac12:
I think something like 70% of the tax Tesco pays comes back to there staff it may not be right but that’s how it is. It’s how much you earn in a year and how many hours you do to get it that matters.
Again, irrelevant to the point/discussion, as I get a lot of my tax back as expenses…
mac12:
Now hours Ash did say he had been out with you for 15.5 hours but I’m not having a dig at you about that I’ve done more myself what I’m saying is that when you leave at 7 you don’t know when or even if you will be back the shop worker knows when he’s going home before he starts, I know with my job what shift I will be working all next year. I did not say you started in the middle of the night I said why should truck drivers start just so a fork truck driver can work decent hours.
I’m not Ash, and I can tell you he’s going to be earning close to 40k this year (he won’t mind me saying that…) And ash did NOT say he was out with me for 15.5 hours! (again you need to read properly) He was out the previous day for a VERY log shift at his normal job! I’ll concede that his current firm expect a lot of him, and I believe he’s looking to leave, but he’s also on more than a shelf stacker, as I’m not aware of any shelf stacker that can come close to 40k. Plus Ash is full time, so gets holiday, and sick pay if needed…
But basically the discussion is about truck drivers only earning the same as shelf stackers, and I’ve shown/proved they can earn more than shelf stackers. But you are trying to twist the argument knowing you have lost. It’s irrelevant bringing up me not earning over Xmas while I’m off work, as the shelf stacker is in the same boat as me (Expect they probably wouldn’t have the choice of not working!). I also know roughly when I’ll be back at the depot each night, as I can’t make deliveries when businesses close, so generally finish around 6pm. I often finish earlier than that, and if I want to earn a bit more, I wash my truck and give it a good clean inside.
Good for you knowing exactly what days you are working next year, but what if your firm goes bust mate? Then you won’t…
I also have a fairly good idea when I’m working as well. I’ll be starting at 7am Monday to Friday, week in, week out. And I can be fairly certain that I won’t be stood down as I’ve proved myself to the TM, and I’m a preferred agency driver for them. So my job is just as secure as a shelf stacker on a zero hours contract, but I ONLY have to work Monday to Friday and don’t HAVE to, or EXPECTED to work weekends, Bank Holidays, Early/Late shifts, or have to look busy every second with a manager looking over my shoulder…
As I said before, I’ve been stood down 2 days in the last 4-5 months, and that was this week. And guess what mate, I kind of knew it was likely with the type of work we do, so I’ve had the foresight to put a bit by, so I’m not at all bothered by that. I’m grateful I’m not being EXPECTED to have to work over Xmas!
And to end I’d like to thank all the shelf stackers of the world for putting product on the shelves for us all - We thank you!
Rader W+D seriously?! I expect you have your reasons before I take the ■■■■ 
Where’s that shelf stacker earning 40k? Where does he work?! Will they pay me that much for sitting on my arse all day every day?!
I didn’t realise know and no were two different words they both sound the same don’t they?
P.S I couldn’t put up with Evil for 15.5 hours he would want to be sharing the ■■■■■■■ bunk!!
ash 001:
P.S I couldn’t put up with Evil for 15.5 hours he would want to be sharing the [zb] bunk!!
Again?
Evil8Beezle:
ash 001:
P.S I couldn’t put up with Evil for 15.5 hours he would want to be sharing the [zb] bunk!!Again?
21st century mate, these things don’t matter anymore!