Lol opened up a can of worms I think! My problem is if I’m wrong on this then for example last night if you say my working day started at 10.30 when I put my card in I only got parked at 2pm today meaning I’ve done a 15.5 hr shift
delboytwo:
ROG:
Where does it specify what distance it must be from the ferry?two move movements in one hour to get in and out of the port.
Where is that in the regs ?
I have seen the max of 2 movements totalling 1 hour but not the 2 x 30 min ones
ROG:
delboytwo:
ROG:
Where does it specify what distance it must be from the ferry?two move movements in one hour to get in and out of the port.
Where is that in the regs ?
I have seen the max of 2 movements totalling 1 hour but not the 2 x 30 min ones
I have edit it before you post
- By way of derogation from Article 8, where a driver
accompanies a vehicle which is transported by ferry or train,
and takes a regular daily rest period, that period may be
interrupted not more than twice by other activities not
exceeding one hour in total. During that regular daily rest
period the driver shall have access to a bunk or couchette. - Any time spent travelling to a location to take charge of a
vehicle falling within the scope of this Regulation, or to return
from that location, when the vehicle is neither at the driver’s
home nor at the employer’s operational centre where the
driver is normally based, shall not be counted as a rest or
break unless the driver is on a ferry or train and has access to a
bunk or couchette.
he as not accompanying the truck the truck is been driven by an other driver while the driver is at home so how is he accompanying the vehicle
delboytwo:
ROG:
Where does it specify what distance it must be from the ferry?two move movements in one hour to get on or off the ferry or in and out of the port.
Including doing any customs paperwork or immigration procedure.
delboytwo:
he as not accompanying the truck the truck is been driven by an other driver while the driver is at home so how is he accompanying the vehicle
As long as the driver accompanies the vehicle onto the ferry then that has been complied with
Where does it state that the driver must accompany the vehicle for the whole of the rest period?
ROG:
delboytwo:
he as not accompanying the truck the truck is been driven by an other driver while the driver is at home so how is he accompanying the vehicleAs long as the driver accompanies the vehicle onto the ferry then that has been complied with
Where does it state that the driver must accompany the vehicle for the whole of the rest period?
Rog who will be driving the thing then when it get to the other side a mystery driver co if another driver was to drive it then there is no reason to use ferry mode is there.
Surely by accompany it means I the driver driving the lorry onto the boat and travelling on the boat with the vehicle ? It doesn’t say I should have been in the truck for my daily rest?
Just read the OP can I ask you how long di it take you to get to work at 10.30pm
delboytwo:
ROG:
delboytwo:
he as not accompanying the truck the truck is been driven by an other driver while the driver is at home so how is he accompanying the vehicleAs long as the driver accompanies the vehicle onto the ferry then that has been complied with
Where does it state that the driver must accompany the vehicle for the whole of the rest period?
Rog who will be driving the thing then when it get to the other side a mystery driver co if another driver was to drive it then there is no reason to use ferry mode is there.
EH !!
You inferred that the driver must be with the vehicle for the whole of the rest and not just the ferry
If the driver is with the vehicle whilst it is on the ferry then the rule for that is complied with so the driver could have the other parts of their rest in a motel each side and in the cabin of the ferry
Surely by accompany it means I the driver driving the lorry onto the boat and travelling on the boat with the vehicle ? It doesn’t say I should have been in the truck for my daily rest?
Precisely
I drive for 30 mins to get to work. It only says that’s not counted as rest if the truck in not at your house or employers premises therefor my travel to work time is of no relevance?
Jonny0203:
Hi all, I’ve a query regarding daily rest interuption
Basically I get out of my truck at around 1.30 pm, EOD go home then come back to collect my truck at 10.30 pm.SOD Another driver already has my trailer hooked in , I put my card in at 10.30 take 15 mins other work then drive 35 mins to the ferry where I use rest mode til I’ve to board the ferry which takes 5 mins. I then put it on ferry mode for 2.5 hrs and leave the boat at 02.00 . Am I legal in thinking my shift starts at 2 am and not 10.30 when I put my card in? Thanks in advance for the help .Jonny
You haven’t got access to a bunk or couchette on the train so you cannot use the ferry time as an interrupted rest period.
When you arrive at a ferry port you can only put your mode switch on rest or work. You can start your normal rest by simply selecting the bed symbol. It is only when you are called forward to board that you would use the ferry symbol from the menu, this in effect makes a note next to the movement.
We don’t like the words Ferry Mode as this doesn’t exist
delboytwo:
Just read the OP can I ask you how long di it take you to get to work at 10.30pm
That’s completely irrelevant Del, the fact is the the OP was interrupting his daily rest period to get onto a ferry which if he had access to a bunk or couchette would be legal as far as I can see.
Admittedly I don’t think this scenario is strictly speaking what the ferry concession was written for but I very much doubt that it would be illegal.
@ Jonny0203
Presumably when you go home the vehicle is at the depot that you’re usually based and you collect it from there as well, is that correct ?
@TACHOGRAPH. Yes I pick up the truck from the depot it’s based at .what if I stay in the cab in the bunk for the 2.5 hr ferry journey?
tachograph:
delboytwo:
Just read the OP can I ask you how long di it take you to get to work at 10.30pmThat’s completely irrelevant Del, the fact is the the OP was interrupting his daily rest period to get onto a ferry which if he had access to a bunk or couchette would be legal as far as I can see.
Admittedly I don’t think this scenario is strictly speaking what the ferry concession was written for but I very much doubt that it would be illegal.
@ Jonny0203
Presumably when you go home the vehicle is at the depot that you’re usually based and you collect it from there as well, is that correct ?
Tachograph can I ask you this, on a regular rest 11
so this is allowed to go home for 8 hours, drive to work, pick up you truck check your truck, move truck to port 35 minutes driving time stop at port wait for ferry driver on to ferry,5 minutes drive, and the go back on break and have the rest of your 11 hours off and this would be accepted for a ferry movement, even though the truck that is doing it will be driven by an other driver while the driver is at home.
Jonny0203:
@TACHOGRAPH. Yes I pick up the truck from the depot it’s based at .what if I stay in the cab in the bunk for the 2.5 hr ferry journey?
Is this the depot you are usually based at ?
edit:
Are you legally allowed to stay in the vehicle whilst on the ferry, on the ferries I’ve been on years ago it wasn’t allowed.
delboytwo:
tachograph:
delboytwo:
Just read the OP can I ask you how long di it take you to get to work at 10.30pmThat’s completely irrelevant Del, the fact is the the OP was interrupting his daily rest period to get onto a ferry which if he had access to a bunk or couchette would be legal as far as I can see.
Admittedly I don’t think this scenario is strictly speaking what the ferry concession was written for but I very much doubt that it would be illegal.
@ Jonny0203
Presumably when you go home the vehicle is at the depot that you’re usually based and you collect it from there as well, is that correct ?Tachograph can I ask you this, on a regular rest 11
so this is allowed to go home for 8 hours, drive to work, pick up you truck check your truck, move truck to port 35 minutes driving time stop at port wait for ferry driver on to ferry,5 minutes drive, and the go back on break and have the rest of your 11 hours off and this would be accepted for a ferry movement, even though the truck that is doing it will be driven by an other driver while the driver is at home.
The interrupted daily rest concession is for the driver not the vehicle so I don’t see what difference it makes that the vehicle was used by someone else.
Like I said I don’t think this is within the spirit of the law, but we don’t work to the spirit of the law we work to the word of the law and until it’s tested in court I can’t see anything wrong with the scenario in question.
Sorry, double post 
Good thread this it makes interesting reading.
Jonny0203:
Thanks guys , ill just pray I don’t get stopped til my card adds up again, I’ve been doin it the way I explained for the past 5 weeks so I don’t think mr vosa would like my card at the min
It isn’t Mr Vosa you have to worry about, if this is a continental ferry I should be very very wary of a Gendarme or a Belgian
Jonny0203:
Hi all, I’ve a query regarding daily rest interuption
Basically I get out of my truck at around 1.30 pm, go home then come back to collect my truck at 10.30 pm. Another driver already has my trailer hooked in , I put my card in at 10.30 take 15 mins other work then drive 35 mins to the ferry where I use rest mode til I’ve to board the ferry which takes 5 mins. I then put it on ferry mode for 2.5 hrs and leave the boat at 02.00 . Am I legal in thinking my shift starts at 2 am and not 10.30 when I put my card in? Thanks in advance for the help .Jonny
You cannot legally make use of the interrupted daily rest option in these circumstances so your shift starts at 22:30.
You aren’t putting it on ferry mode, there is no such thing, you should be putting it on rest. The Ferry/Train option is selected before you move onto the ferry and it simply flags the data with the reason why you are moving during a rest period, it’s the digital equivalent of a pen used to write the reason for interrupting a daily rest on the back of a chart, nothing more than that.
You arrive in the port and after booking on and getting in the queue you select rest as the mode and enter end country.
Just before embarking you change the mode to other work and go into the menu and select the ferry/train option which marks the data with reason for interruption.
You drive onto the ferry, mode changes to driving, and once on board you change the mode to rest.
On arrival if you have had 11 hours rest you change mode to other work, enter begin country and crack on. If you need more rest you change mode to other work, go into menu and select ferry/train option which the marks data with reason for the interruption, disembark, park up and put mode on rest until you’ve had your 11 hours whereupon you change mode to other work, enter begin country and crack on.