I think you need to have a drastic rethink very, very quickly before you end up making headline news and inside, having killed someone through being over-tired. You have admitted driving artics all week and then operating a business which entails you driving vans for hire and reward at the weekend. If you have an accident in the van your insurance company will find out what you have been doing and walk away from any liability.
If you were working for me, and in my lorry at the moment, I would be ringing you and telling you to stop at the next services and wait for me to arrive. I would then be handing you your P45 on the spot and telling you to make your own way home.
As I said switch the work around and use the truck work as fill in. Don’t get too excited about multi drop contracts they’ll take you now and have you doing 80 drops a day then drop you in January. For about 150 aday
alix776:
For gods Sake hes on tacho in the truck. Think about what you post.
So has no one ever driven a long distance i there car after a 9 hr drive be honest
So you’re condoning running bent then? We’re not in the 80s anymore.
Where is he running bent he could be route planning and getting loads organised. Is he even driving the van? You don’t know. Personally good lick to him if he can make it work. You’ve obviously no idea how van work operates
alix776:
Where is he running bent he could be route planning and getting loads organised. Is he even driving the van? You don’t know. Personally good lick to him if he can make it work. You’ve obviously no idea how van work operates
Ryan090:
so me and my mate have started a business a few months ago, we work for another company in the week and do our own on weekends.
Ryan090: Full time career is driving artics long distance.
Certainly has to be questioned from the OP’s information how can drive under tacho rules during the week, then get involved in running a privately owned business at weekend when legally he has to take a weekly rest period…
Weather he is driving or not hasn’t been determined, as he said me and a mate so it could be OP is doing the office work and the mate is doing the driving…even if the OP is going out, could always be the second man ( non driving )
But and this is a big one, how is the OP undertaking the 45hr rest period that is a legal requirement…and I’d question is his full time employer aware of his business operations, whilst some will say its " nothing to do with them " but you’ll probably find that there’ll be inconstancies in WTD documents and tax returns…
Is it safe, I doubt this very much, whilst I admire anyone with the ■■■■■ to get out there and start a business and become successful, the dangers are to great when you driving around the UK in something so big which is a killing machine and the simplest mistake behind the wheel can create mayhem.
If the OP feels that the risks worth taking and gets caught out, gets investigated by the HRMC or actually goes out in his truck and kills someone on the highways which is due to lack of rest… then I hope the risk is worth it when your in jail being someones ■■■■■… you’ll have long time to think where you got is so wrong… plus your chances of ever holding an operators licence would be 0…
Certainly something smells fishy about what the OP is doing…
Not to me he’s trying to better him self if he’s got what it takes the. Good luck to him if there were more like him in this country then we might not be in the mess we are now
Why would he be investigated by hmrc from the looks of it he’s declaring everything.
So by most of the posters on here if I was to finish work and then drive to Holland to see the inlaws on my weekly rest in.more likely to end up in the central reservation because I’ve drive further than the local Asda on my weekly break
Still don’t buy into it alix, theres a big different between you taking your wife to see the in-laws in Holland, me taking the kids to the seaside and what the the OP is doing…running a business for hire and reward…
Let me put it to like this… years ago I worked in an office for 5 days a week doing a 10hr days and once I had earned my HGV licence, I approached a local company that was advertising for drivers for Sat and Sun,went and spoke to the transport manager who kindly informed me he wouldn’t offer me the post because of WTD and Tacho rules, weekend rest periods…unless I cut my hrs down in my full time job…
If the OP is working full time and then for himself in his own business, question has to be raised is his full time employer aware of these weekend activities, they the ones having to complete paperwork relating to WTD, so obviously the OP’s employer are completing a fraudulent entries.
As I believe the weekly rest is a continuous 45hrs break…and if you read into or question VOSA / Police you’ll find that it means no other work in there eyes…
alix776:
Why would he be investigated by hmrc from the looks of it he’s declaring everything.
So by most of the posters on here if I was to finish work and then drive to Holland to see the inlaws on my weekly rest in.more likely to end up in the central reservation because I’ve drive further than the local Asda on my weekly break
If you drive under tacho regs during the week then you must have a weekly rest period ,end of, wether the o/p sticks to the rules or breaks them is his decision , even if he doesnt drive at the weekend but still takes some part in the running of the van business then he is still breaking the law regarding driving hours, its ok saying he is only trying to make a living and better himself but he needs to do it legally and at the moment i dont think he is
And how many new starts push the boat on regs or ignore them when starting out. As I’ve said earlier he needs to swap thing around. Man and van work is horrifically cut throat so really he needs to drop the hgv down which reading he’s looking to do and concentrate on the van to push it further
Where does weekly rest come into this ? It’s the same as driving a car on a weekend except it’s a bit bigger…im guessing you lot who said I’m not cut out for the haulage industry have just failed at it yourself ? Either that or your to scared to try yourself and decide to complain about everyone else trying. Like I said…I’m here for the advice not people moaning cos they can’t do it lol.
I do declare all my income and everything like I should, or should I just forget the whole thing and sit on the dole like all the others lol
LOL! Are you having a laugh? You drive an artic for a living through the week and you don’t know where your legally required weekly rest comes into your weekend courier van operation?
Ryan090:
Where does weekly rest come into this ? It’s the same as driving a car on a weekend except it’s a bit bigger…
No it isn’t.
You are running a hire and reward haulage business and driving a van which is part of that business. This comes under the scope of the Domestic Drivers’ Hours Regulations. Any work (under these regs) cannot count as Rest under EU regulations. So come Monday morning when you get back in your employer’s lorry you have not had your required weekly rest period… Unless you are able to fit in an uninterrupted weekly rest period before you report to your employer for that next week.
Ryan090:
I do declare all my income and everything like I should, lol
No you aren’t.
You are not declaring the total number of hours of work and driving you do each week.
I feel sorry for your employer, because he is unwittingly ’ permitting’ you to break the law. He is risking prosecution for something he knows nothing about.
There is nothing funny about this. At present you are a danger to everyone unfortunate enough to be anywhere near you.
There are ways of doing what you aim to do and operating legally, but somehow I doubt whether you are interested in anything other than ££££
Ryan090:
Where does weekly rest come into this ? It’s the same as driving a car on a weekend except it’s a bit bigger…im guessing you lot who said I’m not cut out for the haulage industry have just failed at it yourself ? Either that or your to scared to try yourself and decide to complain about everyone else trying
Must be one of them typical young one’s with very little driving experience…know it all, arrogant, defensive… doesn’t want to follow the legal rules and thinks its OK to bend them, wants advice but can’t handle the truth…
You do what you want Ryan, if its advice about courier / van work, plenty of forums out there that might give you advice but remember its your licence to lose, get caught…your problem…don’t say we didn’t warn you…lol
The biggest problem with this will be if a competitor for the van work finds out about your work in the week there is a very high risk they will inform the authorities.
I think you may be unpleasantly surprised at the severity if the penalty if the authorities do catch up with you as this is exactly the sort of behaviour the rules are designed to prevent and the fact you are breaking them to line your own pockets, when presumably you have no pressing need to, makes it a lot worse too.
It is laughable for you to try and present yourself as some sort of thrusting young Richard Branson type when your big business idea is, in fact, just flouting drivers hours.
