Our local trade association have recently informed us of the following:
The fine for failure to produce a valid CMR in Belgium has been increased from 55€ to 1500€.
They have also informed us that the Belgian authorities are demanding CMRs for empties (pallets, stillages, IBCs, etc) and are fining for non compliance.
A blatant money making exercise from a country that thinks chips with mayonnaise is a good idea. 
I love chips with mayonnaise. 
Weirdo 
The Belgians can be as bad as the French!! Two years ago, I was delayed loading and so only got to Jabbeke that night. Of course, my vignette ran out at midnight (I parked at 2330) as I had only got a two day one fully expecting to be out of Benelux by then. I jumped into bed thinking I would get one the next morning just for the short trip down to the border. Nope, it didn’t work like that. I got woken the next morning by the police and despite my protestations, got fined €255 for having no vignette. My boss went mad lol. The police said I needed one even though I was parked up.
TheBear:
The Belgians can be as bad as the French!! Two years ago, I was delayed loading and so only got to Jabbeke that night. Of course, my vignette ran out at midnight (I parked at 2330) as I had only got a two day one fully expecting to be out of Benelux by then. I jumped into bed thinking I would get one the next morning just for the short trip down to the border. Nope, it didn’t work like that. I got woken the next morning by the police and despite my protestations, got fined €255 for having no vignette. My boss went mad lol. The police said I needed one even though I was parked up.
Are they just not Frenchmen in disguise 
Inselaffe:
Our local trade association have recently informed us of the following:The fine for failure to produce a valid CMR in Belgium has been increased from 55€ to 1500€.
They have also informed us that the Belgian authorities are demanding CMRs for empties (pallets, stillages, IBCs, etc) and are fining for non compliance.
A blatant money making exercise from a country that thinks chips with mayonnaise is a good idea.
TBH, I didn’t realise that a CMR is required for normal ‘empties,’ but thinking about it… ADR has had this idea for many years, (at least since 2003) and insists on proper ADR transport documentation for empty packagings, even including a completely empty (but uncleaned) tanker.
Of course, the minute that the journey crosses a frontier, then CMRs come into play.
As for mayonnaise on chips, I got quite used to it.
When in Rome etc…
just a thought Mt used pallets would that not come under recyclable’s and therefore come under Waste ie its waste but to be recycled ■■
nick2008:
just a thought Mt used pallets would that not come under recyclable’s and therefore come under Waste ie its waste but to be recycled ■■
AFAIK, empty pallets going for reuse are ok, but the guys who collect them for repair/reconditioning and resale need a waste carrier’s licence.
I’m not sure of the German view on this though, cos an extra “A” sign on the front and rear of a truck is needed for the carriage of waste. (The “A” stands for Abfall, which is the German word for waste.)
Then another set of Regs rears its head… The Transfrontier Shipment of Wastes Regs, which has… special paperwork.
Just wait until the Belgians cotton on to that one, we’ll be snowed under with paperwork!!
It wasnt just ADR. If we collected a “clean” or new tank container we had to have a CMR for it, most restitution depots in Belgium insisted on them before a lift was done. The Belgians have always made their own rules up.
Diesel Dave, don’t give them anymore ideas, drivers will need brief cases and their own Secretary in their cab to help out with all the paperwork.
Years ago, the French got their knickers in a twist about large fuel tanks not having the
Manufacturers stamp, if the tank was big enough, they would check if you had Adr in tankers.
Having belly tanks in the trailer headboard was normal back then, full of red diesel.
mazzer:
TheBear:
The Belgians can be as bad as the French!! Two years ago, I was delayed loading and so only got to Jabbeke that night. Of course, my vignette ran out at midnight (I parked at 2330) as I had only got a two day one fully expecting to be out of Benelux by then. I jumped into bed thinking I would get one the next morning just for the short trip down to the border. Nope, it didn’t work like that. I got woken the next morning by the police and despite my protestations, got fined €255 for having no vignette. My boss went mad lol. The police said I needed one even though I was parked up.Are they just not Frenchmen in disguise
Errr…NO…
Quite normal for me to use a CMR for empty Pallets etc…
Police see it as, Loaded with something= CMR paperwork. Empty = no CMR…
Simples…
As for the lack of Vignette , that is daft. I would have also paid it the next day…
Geoffo:
mazzer:
TheBear:
The Belgians can be as bad as the French!! Two years ago, I was delayed loading and so only got to Jabbeke that night. Of course, my vignette ran out at midnight (I parked at 2330) as I had only got a two day one fully expecting to be out of Benelux by then. I jumped into bed thinking I would get one the next morning just for the short trip down to the border. Nope, it didn’t work like that. I got woken the next morning by the police and despite my protestations, got fined €255 for having no vignette. My boss went mad lol. The police said I needed one even though I was parked up.Are they just not Frenchmen in disguise
Errr…NO…
don’t he French say Belgium was only created to ■■■■ of the French
^^^^^^
If you’re interested…
History.
Main article: History of Belgium
The name ‘Belgium’ is derived from Gallia Belgica, a Roman province in the northernmost part of Gaul that before Roman invasion in 100 BC, was inhabited by the Belgae, a mix of Celtic and Germanic peoples.[16][17] A gradual immigration by Germanic Frankish tribes during the 5th century brought the area under the rule of the Merovingian kings. A gradual shift of power during the 8th century led the kingdom of the Franks to evolve into the Carolingian Empire.[18]
The Treaty of Verdun in 843 divided the region into Middle and West Francia and therefore into a set of more or less independent fiefdoms which, during the Middle Ages, were vassals either of the King of France or of the Holy Roman Emperor.[18]
Many of these fiefdoms were united in the Burgundian Netherlands of the 14th and 15th centuries.[19] Emperor Charles V extended the personal union of the Seventeen Provinces in the 1540s, making it far more than a personal union by the Pragmatic Sanction of 1549 and increased his influence over the Prince-Bishopric of Liège.[20]
The Eighty Years’ War (1568–1648) divided the Low Countries into the northern United Provinces (Belgica Foederata in Latin, the “Federated Netherlands”) and the Southern Netherlands (Belgica Regia, the “Royal Netherlands”). The latter were ruled successively by the Spanish and the Austrian Habsburgs and comprised most of modern Belgium. This was the theatre of most Franco-Spanish and Franco-Austrian wars during the 17th and 18th centuries.
Following the campaigns of 1794 in the French Revolutionary Wars, the Low Countries—including territories that were never nominally under Habsburg rule, such as the Prince-Bishopric of Liège—were annexed by the French First Republic, ending Austrian rule in the region. The reunification of the Low Countries as the United Kingdom of the Netherlands occurred at the dissolution of the First French Empire in 1815, after the defeat of Napoleon.
In 1830, the Belgian Revolution led to the separation of the Southern Provinces from the Netherlands and to the establishment of a Catholic and bourgeois, officially French-speaking and neutral, independent Belgium under a provisional government and a national congress.[21][22] Since the installation of Leopold I as king on 21 July 1831 (which is now celebrated as Belgium’s National Day[23]), Belgium has been a constitutional monarchy and parliamentary democracy, with a laicist constitution based on the Napoleonic code. Although the franchise was initially restricted, universal suffrage for men was introduced after the general strike of 1893 (with plural voting until 1919) and for women in 1949.
Episode of the Belgian Revolution of 1830 (1834), by Egide Charles Gustave Wappers, Museum of Ancient Art, Brussels
The main political parties of the 19th century were the Catholic Party and the Liberal Party, with the Belgian Labour Party emerging towards the end of the 19th century. French was originally the single official language adopted by the nobility and the bourgeoisie. It progressively lost its overall importance as Dutch became recognised as well. This recognition became official in 1898 and in 1967 a Dutch version of the Constitution was legally accepted.[24]
The Berlin Conference of 1885 ceded control of the Congo Free State to King Leopold II as his private possession. From around 1900 there was growing international concern for the extreme and savage treatment of the Congolese population (millions of whom are thought to have died)[25] under Leopold II, for whom the Congo was primarily a source of revenue from ivory and rubber production. In 1908 this outcry led the Belgian state to assume responsibility for the government of the colony, henceforth called the Belgian Congo.[26]
Germany invaded Belgium in 1914 as part of the Schlieffen Plan to attack France and much of the Western Front fighting of World War I occurred in western parts of the country. The opening months of the war were known as the ■■■■ of Belgium due to German excesses. Belgium took over the German colonies of Ruanda-Urundi (modern day Rwanda and Burundi) during the war, and they were mandated to Belgium in 1924 by the League of Nations. In the aftermath of the First World War, the Prussian districts of Eupen and Malmedy were annexed by Belgium in 1925, thereby causing the presence of a German-speaking minority.
European Union celebration in the Cinquantenaire Park in Brussels.
The country was again invaded by Germany in 1940 and 40,690 Belgians, over half of them Jews, were killed during the subsequent occupation and The Holocaust. From September 1944 to February 1945 Belgium was liberated by the Allies. After World War II, a general strike forced King Leopold III, who many Belgians felt had collaborated with Germany during the war, to abdicate in 1951.[27] The Belgian Congo gained independence in 1960 during the Congo Crisis;[28] Ruanda-Urundi followed with its independence two years later. Belgium joined NATO as a founding member and formed the Benelux group of nations with the Netherlands and Luxembourg.
Belgium became one of the six founding members of the European Coal and Steel Community in 1951 and of the European Atomic Energy Community and European Economic Community, established in 1957. The latter is now the European Union, for which Belgium hosts major administrations and institutions, including the European Commission, the Council of the European Union and the extraordinary and committee sessions of the European Parliament.
So who invented mayonnaise on chips ?
I thought it was my dad
He also invented orange sandwiches
Blimey GEFFO,thanks for the history,i do not know who you are or if you are from BELGIUM however it is good you know where you all come from. ?What is the story of Luxembourg then ,what nation do they come from / i do not know.
I used to work for a company that had a depot in Zeebrugge i personally did not have a lot to do with the BELGIAN DRIVERS as they had total disregard for the law ,any where in EUROPE.and any job done at all by them was total fu–ed up so long as they got home fri night they did not care.
Yes the mayo on chips, with a slice of clopeddy- clop nice.
deckboypeggy:
I used to work for a company that had a depot in Zeebrugge i personally did not have a lot to do with the BELGIAN DRIVERS as they had total disregard for the law ,any where in EUROPE.and any job done at all by them was total fu–ed up so long as they got home fri night they did not care.
Yes the mayo on chips, with a slice of clopeddy- clop nice.
Oh so true back in the day… We only used to put a tacho in to stop that little red light coming on… Don’t forget that the Dutch were even worse for cracking-on regardless 
… As regards to Belgian’s ■■■■■■■ the job up, There’s good & bad in every country & company…
Happy them days are done now… We all complained about the Digicard in the beginning, but it’s been a God-send…
do you need a cmr if you are collecting your own goods? i sometimes pick up about 1 tonne of goods for our shop
bluecheq27:
do you need a cmr if you are collecting your own goods? i sometimes pick up about 1 tonne of goods for our shop
Yes… Saves any discussions if you have one filled in…