ROG:
I have my driving assessed every 3 years by either a current or ex police traffic advanced driverThat way I know how crap I am
And judging by the amount of accidents involving cop cars, I’m wondering if a police traffic advanced driver would be appropriate.
robbo99.:
ROG:
I have my driving assessed every 3 years by either a current or ex police traffic advanced driverThat way I know how crap I am
And judging by the amount of accidents involving cop cars, I’m wondering if a police traffic advanced driver would be appropriate.
Is it more dangerous to be involved in loads of accidents, or be the actual cause of them, not actually involved at all?
There doesn’t seem to be any statistics for “Members of the Public killed by First Reponders in the Line of Duty”
…be that “Run over by Ambulance/cop car” or even some coroner being killed here and there, for responding in the middle of the night in a state unfit to drive…
robbo99.:
ROG:
I have my driving assessed every 3 years by either a current or ex police traffic advanced driverThat way I know how crap I am
And judging by the amount of accidents involving cop cars, I’m wondering if a police traffic advanced driver would be appropriate.
He’s not wrong…
jakethesnake:
NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE STUPIDITY OF A GOOD DRIVER (…)
anything that cannot be fact-checked may fall into the realm of likely fake news, manipulative narrative, frustrated rant, and wathever one can name containing a detrimental aim.
So, what are the specifics that lead to such devastating conclusion?
…
As my old Gran used to say Jakey…''Self praise is no recommendation 
…neither is blowing your own trumpet.
You seem to misunderstand me, it’s not self praise, I’m actually very critical of my own driving and hate to do something wrong especially if it involves someone else.
It’s what I’ve been told many times by drivers far more qualified than I ever was. I have been assesssed tested so many times you wont believe.
As for you slouching at the wheel and playing loud music, no problem if you can still drive to a decent standard.
When I was in training I assessed many many drivers of all experience and it always amazed me, things like what they thought was a safe distance
when it was not. I mentioned that because it’s one of my pet hates and something you see lorries doing all the time. Do these drivers think they are keeping a safe distance?
Some probably not, some do and some don’t care.
My favourite question to lorry drivers was how do you know you are keeping a safe distance and the most common answer was “the two second rule”
Just about sums it up I think. 
_JD:
jakethesnake:
NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE STUPIDITY OF A GOOD DRIVER (…)anything that cannot be fact-checked may fall into the realm of likely fake news, manipulative narrative, frustrated rant, and wathever one can name containing a detrimental aim.
So, what are the specifics that lead to such devastating conclusion?
…
Try asking any driver what is there driving like? Most will answer good at the least. Then look at the standards of todays drivers. It ain’t hard but one thing it is devasting as you rightly say.
I have assessed many complete idiots that think they are gods gift.
How about defining what DOES make a “Good Driver” then?
…One argument could be “Cost overhead”.
Is a particular driver “cheaper on kit and company” than another earning less money (for example) but smashing stuff up all the time?
The public would probably argue that the “best driver” is one that only drives an hour per shift, and spends the rest of their time handballing and “out of public sight”…
youtube.com/watch?v=91dY70jexbk
Here’s one that will make you snigger Rob. Take note Rog. Just goes to show good and bad everywhere.
Winseer:
How about defining what DOES make a “Good Driver” then?…One argument could be “Cost overhead”.
Is a particular driver “cheaper on kit and company” than another earning less money (for example) but smashing stuff up all the time?
The public would probably argue that the “best driver” is one that only drives an hour per shift, and spends the rest of their time handballing and “out of public sight”…
Acronym for five qualities that make a good driver.
CCRAP Confidence, Concentration, Responsibility, Anticipation and Patience.
jakethesnake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91dY70jexbkHere’s one that will make you snigger Rob. Take note Rog. Just goes to show good and bad everywhere.
Just kinda validates what my views are about the guys who boast they are advanced drivers.
As for the self righteous wannabe copper who makes these vids …What can I say about him that he does not clearly illustrate himself…
jakethesnake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91dY70jexbkHere’s one that will make you snigger Rob. Take note Rog. Just goes to show good and bad everywhere.
I can’t stand that pompous, self appointed driving guru. Is it actually Jake?
With nigh on ten million kilometers under my belt and a single at fault bingle, I consider myself a half decent driver. Being human, I have good days and bad, when I sometimes have less patience, concentration or "right attitude ".
As RR said, these advanced or expert drivers are insecure, proping their egos up with a useless piece of paper. Who assessed the first expert, who goes onto assess the next, ad infinitum. It’s just a bunch of princesses, slapping each other on the back.
The experts can be equated to engineers, got all the theory down pat, as opposed to truck drivers who are the fitters, doing the job every day and knowing the practicalities of such.
One of my less than stellar performances springs to mind.
On a four lane motorway, the three left lanes closed for roadworks. The merge spread over a number of kilometres, progressively closing lanes with witchs hats and plenty of signs. I’m driving a B double in light to moderate traffic at the reduced 60kph speed limit. Most of the traffic is behaving and cooperative. As final merge into the single lane appoaches traffic is down to a crawl and I indicate my need to enter the far right lane. A car behind me accelerates to block my compulsory merge. I’m halfway into the lane with the car level with my back tri, so 18~20 metres behind the front of the truck. Being as pig headed as the car driver, and enacting the might has right rule, I continued my manoeuvre. The car continued his attempted manoeuvre, trying to overtake me on the central reservation. The traffic slowed further, to stop, start, walking speed with the car sitting beside my cab. I sat close enough to the vehicle in front that the overtaker couldn’t get in front of me. He was foiled when we came to a bridge, crossing a river, having to fall in behind me. At the end of the roadworks, a couple of kilometres on, I indicated left to move back to the left lane. Old mate, the overtaker had to demonstrate his superior speed and acceleration by wizzing up the inside of me as I’m tring to change lanes. His speed and acceleration were definitely superior as demonstrated by him passing me at an estimated 100kph, still in the reduced speed zone.
He saw the speed camera van, but too late. He hit the brakes so hard that his hazard lights came on. I reckon the camera would have got him at 40~60 kph over, enough to lose his licence for three months.
Not my finest moment, but by crikey it was a laugh. Who said karma doesn’t happen? 
Star down under.:
jakethesnake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91dY70jexbkHere’s one that will make you snigger Rob. Take note Rog. Just goes to show good and bad everywhere.
I can’t stand that pompous, self appointed driving guru. Is it actually Jake?
With nigh on ten million kilometers under my belt and a single at fault bingle, I consider myself a half decent driver. Being human, I have good days and bad, when I sometimes have less patience, concentration or "right attitude ".
As RR said, these advanced or expert drivers are insecure, proping their egos up with a useless piece of paper. Who assessed the first expert, who goes onto assess the next, ad infinitum. It’s just a bunch of princesses, slapping each other on the back.
The experts can be equated to engineers, got all the theory down pat, as opposed to truck drivers who are the fitters, doing the job every day and knowing the practicalities of such.One of my less than stellar performances springs to mind.
On a four lane motorway, the three left lanes closed for roadworks. The merge spread over a number of kilometres, progressively closing lanes with witchs hats and plenty of signs. I’m driving a B double in light to moderate traffic at the reduced 60kph speed limit. Most of the traffic is behaving and cooperative. As final merge into the single lane appoaches traffic is down to a crawl and I indicate my need to enter the far right lane. A car behind me accelerates to block my compulsory merge. I’m halfway into the lane with the car level with my back tri, so 18~20 metres behind the front of the truck. Being as pig headed as the car driver, and enacting the might has right rule, I continued my manoeuvre. The car continued his attempted manoeuvre, trying to overtake me on the central reservation. The traffic slowed further, to stop, start, walking speed with the car sitting beside my cab. I sat close enough to the vehicle in front that the overtaker couldn’t get in front of me. He was foiled when we came to a bridge, crossing a river, having to fall in behind me. At the end of the roadworks, a couple of kilometres on, I indicated left to move back to the left lane. Old mate, the overtaker had to demonstrate his superior speed and acceleration by wizzing up the inside of me as I’m tring to change lanes. His speed and acceleration were definitely superior as demonstrated by him passing me at an estimated 100kph, still in the reduced speed zone.
He saw the speed camera van, but too late. He hit the brakes so hard that his hazard lights came on. I reckon the camera would have got him at 40~60 kph over, enough to lose his licence for three months.
Not my finest moment, but by crikey it was a laugh. Who said karma doesn’t happen?
No it’s not me but Ashley Neil gives out good info and driver education and helps a lot of drivers and instructors. Is that so bad?
robbo99.:
ROG:
I have my driving assessed every 3 years by either a current or ex police traffic advanced driverThat way I know how crap I am
And judging by the amount of accidents involving cop cars, I’m wondering if a police traffic advanced driver would be appropriate.
+1
jakethesnake:
Star down under.:
jakethesnake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91dY70jexbkHere’s one that will make you snigger Rob. Take note Rog. Just goes to show good and bad everywhere.
I can’t stand that pompous, self appointed driving guru. Is it actually Jake?
With nigh on ten million kilometers under my belt and a single at fault bingle, I consider myself a half decent driver. Being human, I have good days and bad, when I sometimes have less patience, concentration or "right attitude ".
As RR said, these advanced or expert drivers are insecure, proping their egos up with a useless piece of paper. Who assessed the first expert, who goes onto assess the next, ad infinitum. It’s just a bunch of princesses, slapping each other on the back.
The experts can be equated to engineers, got all the theory down pat, as opposed to truck drivers who are the fitters, doing the job every day and knowing the practicalities of such.One of my less than stellar performances springs to mind.
On a four lane motorway, the three left lanes closed for roadworks. The merge spread over a number of kilometres, progressively closing lanes with witchs hats and plenty of signs. I’m driving a B double in light to moderate traffic at the reduced 60kph speed limit. Most of the traffic is behaving and cooperative. As final merge into the single lane appoaches traffic is down to a crawl and I indicate my need to enter the far right lane. A car behind me accelerates to block my compulsory merge. I’m halfway into the lane with the car level with my back tri, so 18~20 metres behind the front of the truck. Being as pig headed as the car driver, and enacting the might has right rule, I continued my manoeuvre. The car continued his attempted manoeuvre, trying to overtake me on the central reservation. The traffic slowed further, to stop, start, walking speed with the car sitting beside my cab. I sat close enough to the vehicle in front that the overtaker couldn’t get in front of me. He was foiled when we came to a bridge, crossing a river, having to fall in behind me. At the end of the roadworks, a couple of kilometres on, I indicated left to move back to the left lane. Old mate, the overtaker had to demonstrate his superior speed and acceleration by wizzing up the inside of me as I’m tring to change lanes. His speed and acceleration were definitely superior as demonstrated by him passing me at an estimated 100kph, still in the reduced speed zone.
He saw the speed camera van, but too late. He hit the brakes so hard that his hazard lights came on. I reckon the camera would have got him at 40~60 kph over, enough to lose his licence for three months.
Not my finest moment, but by crikey it was a laugh. Who said karma doesn’t happen?
He is actually liked for giving out good info by a few forum members just so you know.
robroy:
jakethesnake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91dY70jexbkHere’s one that will make you snigger Rob. Take note Rog. Just goes to show good and bad everywhere.
Just kinda validates what my views are about the guys who boast they are advanced drivers.
As for the self righteous wannabe copper who makes these vids
No,that’s not true at all. There are many good advanced drivers but there far more actual bad drivers. As I said good and bad in all.
I’m sure you would say there are more good lorry drivers than bad ones. Years ago I would have agreed but not now.
Try watching some of Ashley Neils vids. You might actually see bits that you agree with. Honestly. 
you will certainly see plenty of dumb drivers.
jakethesnake:
Star down under.:
jakethesnake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91dY70jexbkHere’s one that will make you snigger Rob. Take note Rog. Just goes to show good and bad everywhere.
I can’t stand that pompous, self appointed driving guru. Is it actually Jake?
With nigh on ten million kilometers under my belt and a single at fault bingle, I consider myself a half decent driver. Being human, I have good days and bad, when I sometimes have less patience, concentration or "right attitude ".
As RR said, these advanced or expert drivers are insecure, proping their egos up with a useless piece of paper. Who assessed the first expert, who goes onto assess the next, ad infinitum. It’s just a bunch of princesses, slapping each other on the back.
The experts can be equated to engineers, got all the theory down pat, as opposed to truck drivers who are the fitters, doing the job every day and knowing the practicalities of such.One of my less than stellar performances springs to mind.
On a four lane motorway, the three left lanes closed for roadworks. The merge spread over a number of kilometres, progressively closing lanes with witchs hats and plenty of signs. I’m driving a B double in light to moderate traffic at the reduced 60kph speed limit. Most of the traffic is behaving and cooperative. As final merge into the single lane appoaches traffic is down to a crawl and I indicate my need to enter the far right lane. A car behind me accelerates to block my compulsory merge. I’m halfway into the lane with the car level with my back tri, so 18~20 metres behind the front of the truck. Being as pig headed as the car driver, and enacting the might has right rule, I continued my manoeuvre. The car continued his attempted manoeuvre, trying to overtake me on the central reservation. The traffic slowed further, to stop, start, walking speed with the car sitting beside my cab. I sat close enough to the vehicle in front that the overtaker couldn’t get in front of me. He was foiled when we came to a bridge, crossing a river, having to fall in behind me. At the end of the roadworks, a couple of kilometres on, I indicated left to move back to the left lane. Old mate, the overtaker had to demonstrate his superior speed and acceleration by wizzing up the inside of me as I’m tring to change lanes. His speed and acceleration were definitely superior as demonstrated by him passing me at an estimated 100kph, still in the reduced speed zone.
He saw the speed camera van, but too late. He hit the brakes so hard that his hazard lights came on. I reckon the camera would have got him at 40~60 kph over, enough to lose his licence for three months.
Not my finest moment, but by crikey it was a laugh. Who said karma doesn’t happen?No it’s not me but Ashley Neil gives out good info and driver education and helps a lot of drivers and instructors. Is that so bad?
I can’t stand A.N., he comes across as supersillicious, to me.
Being a driving instructor holds no esteem with me, either. In my country, most instructors herald from a land known for poor driving. The old adage springs to mind, if you can’t do it, teach it.
Driving instructors don’t teach people to drive, they teach them how to pass the test.
"Star down under’':
I can’t stand that pompous, self appointed driving guru. Is it actually Jake?As RR said, these advanced or expert drivers are insecure, proping their egos up with a useless piece of paper.
jakethesnake:
He is actually liked for giving out good info by a few forum members just so you know.
Is he really ? 
You say ‘‘liked’’ ?
Who are these members exactly?
He certainly does not come across as a likeable type bloke to me.
As Star says,.self appointed driving guru, pompous,.superior, patronising, with a definite '‘I know more, and much better than you lot’ attitude.
The sort of poor attitude of certain policemen I have come across in the past,.and where I have got into trouble for my reacting to said attitude.
Not ‘likable’ qualities in my mind tbh Jakey.
The kind of guy everybody avoids at parties would be my description, (unless it was the end of the night where he could bore you to sleep. )
(Dont know how tf I managed to highlight those quotes in black btw., but there ya go )
Driving instructors don’t teach people to drive, they teach them how to pass the test.
Oh you are so wrong with that statement. I could explain but I would be wasting my time.
Just stop generalising.
robroy:
"Star down under’':
I can’t stand that pompous, self appointed driving guru. Is it actually Jake?As RR said, these advanced or expert drivers are insecure, proping their egos up with a useless piece of paper.
jakethesnake:
He is actually liked for giving out good info by a few forum members just so you know.Is he really ?
You say ‘‘liked’’ ?
Who are these members exactly?He certainly does not come across as a likeable type bloke to me.
As Star says,.self appointed driving guru, pompous,.superior, patronising, with a definite '‘I know more, and much better than you lot’ attitude.
The sort of poor attitude of certain policemen I have come across in the past,.and where I have got into trouble for my reacting to said attitude.
Not ‘likable’ qualities in my mind tbh Jakey.
The kind of guy everybody avoids at parties would be my description, (unless it was the end of the night where he could bore you to sleep.(Dont know how tf I managed to highlight those quotes in black btw., but there ya go
You have probably watched him on telly before now as he is a ex professional football player. He has been mentioned on here a few times and certain members
have agreed he gives out good info. Have a look back and you will see.
Let me just say the biggest majority of advanced drivers will go about their driving quietly and efficiently and always being polite and courteous. They will go totally unnoticed to others because they have been trained to a higher standard and know far more than Mr Average.
You know you keep banging on about the poor driving standards are caused by lack of proper training. Well, if all lorry drivers had to do an advanced LGV course they standards would improve dramatically.
It makes me laugh how people (apart from driving) in general hate being told what to do and seem to hate anyone that knows more about a subject than them.
Someone said drivers who do advanced tests are insecure. What a load of tosh. Drivers do it because the basic training and test teaches you very little, yeah the basics and some drivers want to extend their knowledge and become better drivers. I don’t know one single person who had done such a course that says they have not benefited and learned an awful lot.
Anyway I could go on but I wont. 
jakethesnake:
Driving instructors don’t teach people to drive, they teach them how to pass the test.Oh you are so wrong with that statement. I could explain but I would be wasting my time.
Just stop generalising.
I dont think he is wrong, I’d say he is 100% accurate.
Most (if not all) training companies take their candidates round and round the same (test) route day in day out for the duration of the course until they think they can complete it with minimal faults enough to pass a test.
Abd why would they not?
Even I did that as long ago as I took a course.
So how tf can you refute that exactly?
