The multi manning laws are a load of bollox then, make a mockery and need changing.
Multi manning should be for the purpose of getting more miles out of a vehicle in a day, not extending drivers duty times which are already more than enough. 21 hour days are barbaric, no one should be working that. You are not resting properly when your in the passenger seat in a moving vehicle, anyone who has tried sleeping on a long car journey knows that and besides, your at work, on your employers time and being paid. Chances are you’d be expected to help navigate, answer the phone when the gaffer rings etc etc.
rob22888:
The multi manning laws are a load of bollox then, make a mockery and need changing.
Multi manning should be for the purpose of getting more miles out of a vehicle in a day, not extending drivers duty times which are already more than enough. 21 hour days are barbaric, no one should be working that. You are not resting properly when your in the passenger seat in a moving vehicle, anyone who has tried sleeping on a long car journey knows that and besides, your at work, on your employers time and being paid. Chances are you’d be expected to help navigate, answer the phone when the gaffer rings etc etc.
well complain to the eu then as they are the ones who laid down this law
Bking:
So driver 2 according to you can do a 21 hour duty period?How the hell would that come up on the graph.That means both drivers are doing 6 hours each over statute duty period.
Would like to see this "concession "in writing.Driver 1 is still on duty in a moving vehicle therfore how the hell is he “off duty”?That means driver 2 is fiddling 6 at the start of duty and driver 1 fiddling 6 hours at the end.VOSA would love you.
Maybe should have had you in court a few months ago when my mate got fined 1700 quid for having a duty period of 18 hours when double manning.Im sure they would have seen the reasoning behind your argument.As the man said in court"15 hours is max duty time no more and no less"
Did this “mate” take any advice before becoming royally stuffed? The multi manning rules have been in force for many many years with the latest change increasing daily rest period from 8 hours to 9 hours.
Double manning isn’t so difficult if both drivers get along, but it is hard work if you are Glaswegian and support the other team. The hardest part is if you park where there is only one shower, one is waiting around while the other uses it.
Ive been double manning for the last 7 years, you can have a maximum of 21 hours on shift, 9 hours minimum rest between shifts.
You can take breaks while the vehicle is moving…
The vehicle does not have to stop for any period other than loading, tipping and fueling.
One man can tip while the other man is on break, this makes the whole tipping on break fiasco unenforcable.
You can drive for 1 hour as a single man each shift to pick up a second man but both must end the shift together.
Your tacho head will not record the second man as on rest, vosa know this and understand it is a fault with the head.
Anything different youve heard from your mates in the pub is bollox.
Cheggy:
Ive been double manning for the last 7 years, you can have a maximum of 21 hours on shift, 9 hours minimum rest between shifts.
You can take breaks while the vehicle is moving…
The vehicle does not have to stop for any period other than loading, tipping and fueling.
One man can tip while the other man is on break, this makes the whole tipping on break fiasco unenforcable.
You can drive for 1 hour as a single man each shift to pick up a second man but both must end the shift together.
Your tacho head will not record the second man as on rest, vosa know this and understand it is a fault with the head.
Anything different youve heard from your mates in the pub is bollox.
Spot on, and well explained.
There is one thing though, since the terminology was changed from Double Manning to Multi Manning and a tachograph only has two slots or two positions, it is possible for the second man to be a different person to the one who you picked up one hour into your shift. This rule is of more use to coach drivers as there are not many operations where you need 3 lorry drivers. Obviously the truck still has to park up after 21 hours for 9 hours and there must be bunks for everyone left onboard
I will find out where this was written, but I did see it from an official source
Bking:
Maybe should have had you in court a few months ago when my mate got fined 1700 quid for having a duty period of 18 hours when double manning.Im sure they would have seen the reasoning behind your argument.As the man said in court"15 hours is max duty time no more and no less"
Your mate is a first class trumpet, so is his legal representative.
There is a document, published by the Dept of Transport called GV262 - Rules on Drivers Hours and Tachographs, which is the VOSA handbook on those rules.
It has a section on multi-manning rules, starting on page 21. Here’s a link.
You should also be able to go into any LGV MOT test centre and pick one up, free, gratis and for nothing.
30 seconds reading that bit will show you the man in court was wrong. Politely dropping a copy in the judges hand would have seen your mate walking out of court a free man, possibly with compensation for loss of wages instead of a fine and ‘the man in court’ getting a bollocking for wasting the courts time.
newey91:
Doing a 2 day double manned 7.5t multi drop shift. If we started at 7:30 tomorrow after a regular daily rest, am I right that we can do 21 hours before we have our next rest which must be a minimum of 9 hours. As long as we don’t go over the 10 hour daily driving limit each? Or would the 21 hours be breaking working time directive rules? Had a little look the working time regulations and it looks like drivers are exempt from certain parts of it. What is the maximum daily working limit under the working time directive?
In each period of 24 hours, the driver shall have a daily rest period of at least 11 consecutive hours, which may be reduced to a minimum of nine consecutive hours not more than three times in any one week, on condition that an equivalent period of rest be granted as compensation before the end of the following week.
On days when the rest is not reduced in accordance with the first sub- paragraph, it may be taken in two or three separate periods during the 24 hour period, one of which must be of at least 8 consecutive hours. In this case the minimum length of the rest shall be increased to 12 hours. 2. During each period of 30 hours when a vehicle is manned by at least two drivers, each driver shall have a rest period of not less than 8 consecutive hours.
newey91:
Doing a 2 day double manned 7.5t multi drop shift. If we started at 7:30 tomorrow after a regular daily rest, am I right that we can do 21 hours before we have our next rest which must be a minimum of 9 hours. As long as we don’t go over the 10 hour daily driving limit each? Or would the 21 hours be breaking working time directive rules? Had a little look the working time regulations and it looks like drivers are exempt from certain parts of it. What is the maximum daily working limit under the working time directive?
If you stop at Killington lake services (M6) any week night, you will see plenty of scottish drivers stopping for five minutes to swap drivers and water their wheels before carrying on with their double deck trailers to the parcel hubs in the midlands. This mirrors the scenario described by ROG, in that the vehicle will not need to stop while the driver takes a break.
newey91:
Doing a 2 day double manned 7.5t multi drop shift. If we started at 7:30 tomorrow after a regular daily rest, am I right that we can do 21 hours before we have our next rest which must be a minimum of 9 hours. As long as we don’t go over the 10 hour daily driving limit each? Or would the 21 hours be breaking working time directive rules? Had a little look the working time regulations and it looks like drivers are exempt from certain parts of it. What is the maximum daily working limit under the working time directive?
HTH 
