Moving lorry half way through break

dodged600 · 7 June 2018 15:57

I have a 2017 Daf XF with siemens tacho.

Can I move my lorry during a break without interrupting it ■■

i.e. in a layby 1/2 way through a 45 but need to move forward a truck length to make room for someone but don`t want to start my break again from 15.

Can I move it and within the same timed minute put it back to break ? Can I move it below a certain speed ■■ How do I do it ?

Thanks in advance.

stuwozere1 · 7 June 2018 16:07

dodged600:
I have a 2017 Daf XF with siemens tacho.

Can I move my lorry during a break without interrupting it ■■

i.e. in a layby 1/2 way through a 45 but need to move forward a truck length to make room for someone but don`t want to start my break again from 15.

Can I move it and within the same timed minute put it back to break ? Can I move it below a certain speed ■■ How do I do it ?

Thanks in advance.

Although your taco may not record a change on your display, VOSA will see everything, including moving for all of 10 seconds

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andrejs · 7 June 2018 16:17

dodged600:
I have a 2017 Daf XF with siemens tacho.

Can I move my lorry during a break without interrupting it ■■

i.e. in a layby 1/2 way through a 45 but need to move forward a truck length to make room for someone but don`t want to start my break again from 15.

Can I move it and within the same timed minute put it back to break ? Can I move it below a certain speed ■■ How do I do it ?

Thanks in advance.

depend from tacho.In some tacho you can drive some 30 sec and after press to break and will ok.

ghiabox · 7 June 2018 16:27

I wouldn’t have thought so, as soon as you move the wheels it’ll come off break.

rentadent · 7 June 2018 16:39

Yes you can, but if you really need to do it then make sure it’s quick and put it straight back onto break when you’ve stopped. Move too far or for too long and it will record driving or other work and screw your ‘continuous’ break up

mazzer2 · 7 June 2018 17:06

stuwozere1:

dodged600:
I have a 2017 Daf XF with siemens tacho.

Can I move my lorry during a break without interrupting it ■■

i.e. in a layby 1/2 way through a 45 but need to move forward a truck length to make room for someone but don`t want to start my break again from 15.

Can I move it and within the same timed minute put it back to break ? Can I move it below a certain speed ■■ How do I do it ?

Thanks in advance.

Although your taco may not record a change on your display, VOSA will see everything, including moving for all of 10 seconds

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Correct answer it will be detected at a roadside check however if you are never stopped by the police or DVSA then crack on

m_attt · 7 June 2018 17:06

Eject card, take note of time, put back in after however minutes left have past an manual entry break.

harrawaffa · 7 June 2018 17:13

Yes you can drive for less than 30 seconds and then switch it back to bed symbol to continue your break. Will show up in a roadside check when the tacho head is downloaded so keep an excuse handy.

andrejs · 7 June 2018 18:45

harrawaffa:
Yes you can drive for less than 30 seconds and then switch it back to bed symbol to continue your break. Will show up in a roadside check when the tacho head is downloaded so keep an excuse handy.

In new Scania not possible taked speed diogram.Just possible like this

dodged600 · 8 June 2018 05:19

harrawaffa:
Yes you can drive for less than 30 seconds and then switch it back to bed symbol to continue your break. Will show up in a roadside check when the tacho head is downloaded so keep an excuse handy.

The above is correct. I tried it in the yard this morning, you can move it for 10 seconds or so goes onto " driving " then when you stop push break and records it all as break.

Tried a longer move of approx 30 seconds and won`t let you get the break period back.

There is obviously an inbuilt algorythm that decides between a genuine situation like moving in a layby vs someone trying to do a job of work at slow speed … like a tipping area.

Thanks for replies

bald_bloke · 8 June 2018 07:53

harrawaffa:
Yes you can drive for less than 30 seconds and then switch it back to bed symbol to continue your break. Will show up in a roadside check when the tacho head is downloaded so keep an excuse handy.

Correct, can’t imagine the dvsa being overly worried about a movement of a couple of seconds or so.

conor · 8 June 2018 12:25

dodged600:
There is obviously an inbuilt algorythm that decides between a genuine situation like moving in a layby vs someone trying to do a job of work at slow speed … like a tipping area.

Thanks for replies

Yeah it works out the mode to record for the current minute based on not only what the tacho is set to but what the mode was for the majority of the previous minute and the next minute. That’s why when you turn the ignition on after its been off for a while and press the button to see how much break you’ve had it seems to take an age to display it. Was explained using diagrams from Siemens in one of those DCPC modules I’m told are a waste of time by people on here.

dipper_dave · 8 June 2018 13:44

Conor:

dodged600:
There is obviously an inbuilt algorythm that decides between a genuine situation like moving in a layby vs someone trying to do a job of work at slow speed … like a tipping area.

Thanks for replies

Yeah it works out the mode to record for the current minute based on not only what the tacho is set to but what the mode was for the majority of the previous minute and the next minute. That’s why when you turn the ignition on after its been off for a while and press the button to see how much break you’ve had it seems to take an age to display it. Was explained using diagrams from Siemens in one of those DCPC modules I’m told are a waste of time by people on here.

Great info that, even if part of me thinks this is your opening gambit at parties.

kyk · 8 June 2018 15:13

Conor:

dodged600:
There is obviously an inbuilt algorythm that decides between a genuine situation like moving in a layby vs someone trying to do a job of work at slow speed … like a tipping area.

Thanks for replies

Yeah it works out the mode to record for the current minute based on not only what the tacho is set to but what the mode was for the majority of the previous minute and the next minute. That’s why when you turn the ignition on after its been off for a while and press the button to see how much break you’ve had it seems to take an age to display it. Was explained using diagrams from Siemens in one of those DCPC modules I’m told are a waste of time by people on here.

Pretty much correct, however:

29seconds - OK, 30 seconds - NOT OK
This trick is highly dependent on truck tacho spec… in some you can jump forward, but can’t if you jump forward and reverse (even after waiting between movements) in some other you can steal 30 with even 5+ jumps of less than 29sec - the trick is test it first, learn you truck tricks and only then abuse it. In some it also depends of speed you reach while jumping. One common observation is that most trucks don’t like combining driving forward and reversing for this maneuver… even with bigger gaps…
It might come up on roadside checks, but it does not come up on tacho downloads and even if company has been caught and tacho download - forward data is enforced this does not come up, however it might be truck specific to hide it by correct truck/tacho combo before it reaches download station.
Advise on pulling card is the worst - don’t eject, just jump professionally.

It is not waste of time if you know what you are doing…

roymondo · 8 June 2018 16:00

Conor:

dodged600:
There is obviously an inbuilt algorythm that decides between a genuine situation like moving in a layby vs someone trying to do a job of work at slow speed … like a tipping area.

Thanks for replies

Yeah it works out the mode to record for the current minute based on not only what the tacho is set to but what the mode was for the majority of the previous minute and the next minute. That’s why when you turn the ignition on after its been off for a while and press the button to see how much break you’ve had it seems to take an age to display it. Was explained using diagrams from Siemens in one of those DCPC modules I’m told are a waste of time by people on here.

Early digi tachos did indeed work along those lines - If any movement of the wheels was detected during any single minute then the whole of that minute was recorded as “driving”. Even if there was no movement at all in a particular minute but there had been in both the previous and following minutes then all three minutes would also be recorded as “driving”. Thus it was possible to be stationary, ignition off and for the driver to be out of the cab for almost three minutes and the whole three minutes would be recorded as “driving”. This also explains why the driving time shown on the tacho display could easily “click over” past the 4h30 mark even though the driver switched to Break while it was still showing 4h29.

Current tachos don’t work quite the same. An individual minute is only marked as “driving” if movement is detected for at least 30 seconds.