motorway signs

Wow, you have anger issues.

The concrete wall is in fact a huge benefit to all. It’s the same price as the steel barriers but never needs to be maintained also meaning no lane closures at night, it prevents crossovers, (yes I’ve had many) it prevents motorcyclists being beheaded, it prevents rubbernecking and is far stronger.

You are funny though, if only you understood any of our systems of working and listened and tried to understand and have some sympathy and just got on with your job, it’ll be much better for your health.

You can ■■■■■ and moan all you like, the fact is you need to have signals to protect us and others, sometimes they go wrong, sometimes we are given rubbish info, you have to drive safely and for your own and others safety, obey them as best you can and if the signs are wrong or broken, do something about it, don’t just leave it for others.

With regards to people not using the motorway much, the rules are the same, left lane except overtaking, mirror signal maneuvere, look in front of you and obey road signs. If you only drive to Waitrose and back but pop on the motorway, you can still read English.

this sign is not exactily the same,but the one on the m6 near the m55 junction on a lampost ( these lights will be switched off between midnight and 0500 hrs ) whats the point of having motorways lit up then ? :imp: :imp: :imp:

Re litter picking. Couldn’t the local scrotes from the nearest ““young offenders”” institution be made to pick the litter?

“Scrotes in road carry on as before”

:laughing: :sunglasses: :slight_smile:

I’m serious though, if HA funds for litter picking are low, why not utilise this free workforce?

Royhebb2, it’s on the cards, they’re slowly being turned off on many parts of the network but there is a science behind it with regards to distance apart, colour, and brightness. Also junctions or problem areas they stay in for safety.

Nice idea about scrotes though, put it forward.

Big Jase:
Wow, you have anger issues.

The concrete wall is in fact a huge benefit to all. It’s the same price as the steel barriers but never needs to be maintained also meaning no lane closures at night, it prevents crossovers, (yes I’ve had many) it prevents motorcyclists being beheaded, it prevents rubbernecking and is far stronger.

You are funny though, if only you understood any of our systems of working and listened and tried to understand and have some sympathy and just got on with your job, it’ll be much better for your health.

You can ■■■■■ and moan all you like, the fact is you need to have signals to protect us and others, sometimes they go wrong, sometimes we are given rubbish info, you have to drive safely and for your own and others safety, obey them as best you can and if the signs are wrong or broken, do something about it, don’t just leave it for others.

With regards to people not using the motorway much, the rules are the same, left lane except overtaking, mirror signal maneuvere, look in front of you and obey road signs. If you only drive to Waitrose and back but pop on the motorway, you can still read English.

I’d like nothing better, but you [zb]s close 90% of the motorway network at night and have us on 30 mile countryside diversions while you continue to force your flawed and not-fit-for-purpose “traffic management systems” upon us. :angry:

Just ■■■■ right off with it all please.

I think you need to take up knitting or something but you’d probably beat up the knitting needle salesman.

Big Jase:
With regards to people not using the motorway much, the rules are the same, left lane except overtaking, mirror signal maneuvere, look in front of you and obey road signs. If you only drive to Waitrose and back but pop on the motorway, you can still read English.

Is this your best reply to some road users not being aware of the managed motorway system or how it works.

This is a very blinkered and naive view, but luckliy there are professional drivers out there who realise others are not as at home on the motorway and will make allowances and expect to come across nervous road users blindly following their sat navs. This may come as a shock but not every driver on the UK roads can read English.

I was making a general view point. Do you honestly feel the need to make comment on me and my diversity? I come across countless people of different races and ethnicity all day everyday. I am aware of religions and their requirements and driving standards. Do you also think I have never met anyone who has driven up the motorway the wrong way as they’d gone the wrong way and done a u turn or get shouted at by people that instead of reading our diversion signs, they aimlessly drive around? You do realise I spend all day meeting people don’t you?

There aren’t many things in life you get full instructions on yet we have provided a handy booklet to assist. It’s the Highway Code. Rules 253 to 273 relate to the motorway and rule 269 specifically to managed motorways. It isn’t anyone’s job to prepare you to drive other than yours so if it’s read and understood, there shouldn’t be any issues.

After seeing 9 years of horrendous driving standards by car and lorry drivers doing this job and 20 before that driving for a living, not much comes as a shock to me.

truckman20:

Tooz:
I saw one saying "DRIVE TO ROAD CONDITIONS "…i spent 3 hours looking but i coudnt find the place !! :laughing:

like it LOL,bit like these wealthy people saying they come from poverty,must be a big place this poverty but you could never find it

It’s not a big place at all - it is a small dead-end road in Astwood Bank, a village on the A441 just South of Redditch.

Big Jase:
I was making a general view point. Do you honestly feel the need to make comment on me and my diversity?

Wow thats a bit of a stretch, do you think your diversity makes any diffference in this environment. I do apologise if thats how you perceived my comments. I can assure you there was no malice intended and if your offended well thats just a bonus. :wink:
I do notice in your posts you seem to come across as very easily offended though and also slightly too over protective of flaws in the HA matrix sign system almost to the point of its every body elses fault if somothing goes wrong.

Is rule 269 a new addition, will it help raise awareness for the large majority that haven’t picked up a highway code since they passed their test.
The general cop out of ‘Its in the highway code so everyone must know about it’ is ridiculous at best.

The managed motorway system although a sytem I totally agree with needs a bit more publicity on how it works. Maybe your own matrix signs when not in use could help with that. Better than nonsense about littering. Whats next major supermarkets buying advertising time on these signs.

I’ve never read the Highway Code since I passed my test , and I learnt about managed motorways on here lol. Them cameras on the gantrys , if the signs are set to 40 is that what the cameras are also set to? I think that’s why people slam on with the road ahead clear, It is annoying to see no obstructions etc and the signs set to 40/50 or whatever. I understand what you say about a heavy load setting it off etc but surely with all the technology nowadays you would think someone would
Be able to make it to tell the difference between traffic or a heavy load.

Smoggie89:
I’ve never read the Highway Code since I passed my test , and I learnt about managed motorways on here lol. Them cameras on the gantrys , if the signs are set to 40 is that what the cameras are also set to? I think that’s why people slam on with the road ahead clear, It is annoying to see no obstructions etc and the signs set to 40/50 or whatever. I understand what you say about a heavy load setting it off etc but surely with all the technology nowadays you would think someone would
Be able to make it to tell the difference between traffic or a heavy load.

Smoggie89, it isn’t a heavy load issue, its a slow load. It picks up road counts in every lane and if it detects that lane 1 is travelling slowly then it sets signs a predetermined length back. There could be an rtc or a broken down car in lane one. Its impossible for the system to know its a crane or such, it just knows there is something slow or stopped. In my opinion, its a good system with a small fault that can’t be helped, better to have it than not.

With regards to the cameras, yes they are set at the speed the sign shows but if it changes immediately in front of you, don’t worry, I’m told there is a delay of a set time as it doesn’t want you to slam the anchors on.

Big Jase:

Smoggie89:
I’ve never read the Highway Code since I passed my test , and I learnt about managed motorways on here lol. Them cameras on the gantrys , if the signs are set to 40 is that what the cameras are also set to? I think that’s why people slam on with the road ahead clear, It is annoying to see no obstructions etc and the signs set to 40/50 or whatever. I understand what you say about a heavy load setting it off etc but surely with all the technology nowadays you would think someone would
Be able to make it to tell the difference between traffic or a heavy load.

Smoggie89, it isn’t a heavy load issue, its a slow load. It picks up road counts in every lane and if it detects that lane 1 is travelling slowly then it sets signs a predetermined length back. There could be an rtc or a broken down car in lane one. Its impossible for the system to know its a crane or such, it just knows there is something slow or stopped. In my opinion, its a good system with a small fault that can’t be helped, better to have it than not.

With regards to the cameras, yes they are set at the speed the sign shows but if it changes immediately in front of you, don’t worry, I’m told there is a delay of a set time as it doesn’t want you to slam the anchors on.

Ah okay , I know nothin is perfect maybe in a few years time they will have ironed out some of the problems and we will all be running smoothly with no traffic :laughing:

Dipper_Dave:

Big Jase:
I was making a general view point. Do you honestly feel the need to make comment on me and my diversity?

Wow thats a bit of a stretch, do you think your diversity makes any diffference in this environment. I do apologise if thats how you perceived my comments. I can assure you there was no malice intended and if your offended well thats just a bonus. :wink:
I do notice in your posts you seem to come across as very easily offended though and also slightly too over protective of flaws in the HA matrix sign system almost to the point of its every body elses fault if somothing goes wrong.

Is rule 269 a new addition, will it help raise awareness for the large majority that haven’t picked up a highway code since they passed their test.
The general cop out of ‘Its in the highway code so everyone must know about it’ is ridiculous at best.

The managed motorway system although a sytem I totally agree with needs a bit more publicity on how it works. Maybe your own matrix signs when not in use could help with that. Better than nonsense about littering. Whats next major supermarkets buying advertising time on these signs.

I always put my all into whatever I do, if I see or hear of something that is wrong where I work, I do my upmost to put it right. I agree that there are many faults with our systems, there’s no denying that but working out on the road and seeing the scant disregard of anything we put up on our signs and signals or anything that I expect or the law expects people to do but don’t that puts me, my colleague and everyone else at risk is just downright disgraceful. I’m sure you have done a million miles in your driving career and seen the odd crash as you pass, you may have even stopped to help, usually I hear the pink and fluffy brigade “Don’t worry its just a bit of metal” but then when I/We arrive at jobs, it isn’t always like that. I don’t need to go into details, I’m sure you know all about it but you get the “I’ve been driving for 50 years and never had an accident” when they caused a 5 car pileup or the people that slam into debris at 80 as they thought they’d drive along until they see something after ignoring the signs.

It appears to me that so many of you probably in your 40’s or 50’s having had the Police leave the signs on for days after the event have now given up on them. This is unfair and attitudes need to change as since 2004 the HA have had control over them. No one in my room would put signs on for fun, nor would they put anything stupid up just to wind you up. We ask for the signs to turned off when we leave and we watch them go off. Just because you see signs but see nothing, it doesn’t mean that there wasn’t something there or its a round the corner.

I/We will never win really so I don’t know why I waste my time trying to educate or help explain things. I don’t really think your comment is fair about the Highway Code either. It isn’t a new thing, it is in the 2007 revised edition so it’s been about for a good 7 years now. To be honest, regardless of whether you can part with £1.98 to buy one, ignorance is no defence and it really isn’t too difficult to see “CONGESTION USE HARD SHOULDER” and instantly understand there is congestion and i can use the hard shoulder. I drive in lots of different countries and I manage to learn the road signs before I go so I don’t have issue, I suppose you feel its acceptable to drive in this country without understanding a thing about the roads you are driving on.

I would say with a high level of confidence that in a journey, a car driver will have a defective light, low tyre pressures, use their phone, go over an advanced stop line, stop in a yellow box, not use a bus lane when it is not in operation, not indicate when turning right at a roundabout and give a bit of verbal to someone all in one journey, all either illegal or showing a poor driving standard but still, it they haven’t read the Highway Code recently, its all good.

Great post Jason and I agree 100%.
Whats important is making the roads a safer place, all we can do is put ideas forward. Sure ringing hotlines to indicate a problem or potential sign weakness/innacuarcy will help but not always feasibe unless you have bluetooth and the will and attitude to be bothered to help.

No system is perfect and there is dare i say a certain arrogance amongst the professional driver fraternity that we know everything road related. To be fair once you’ve been on the roads for 10 years + in a professional capacity there is very little to surprise you and lots of the actions of other road users become predictable.
e.g I’m heavily loaded and approaching a roundabout on a dual carriageway, I know at least one of the cars overtaking is going to pull in front of me and stop thus reducing my stopping distance, I expect it and plan for it but I’m still bloody suprised if it doesn’t happen.

Thats not to say theres never going to be a strange event just that most of us can antcipate actions of other road users very well. Ironic in a way as arrogance leads to complacencey which can be very dangerous in itself.

We do need to work together and sure we can have some fun taking the ■■■■ on online forums but just maybe theres a gem of wisdom that may pop up that can be utilized.
Smart motorways are a great step to combat congestion but they are only as good as the weakest link and some drivers need to realise that just because they used the hard shoulder one day does not mean they can use it the next. Just maybe a sign informing drivers they are approaching a smart motorway section could help.

Also the highway code is not really a Harry Potter sequel must read and between 1996 (theory test compulsory) and 2007 there will be lots who haven’t bothered to buy a new edition unless their children where due to take their test and they wanted help to revise. Even then that section may be missed.
Course driving tests weren’t compulsory till 1934 (I googled this so don’t be impressed)so its not unfeasbile that there are some old codgers on the road just winging it.

Anything health and saftey related is all about the lowest common denomoinator ie. that one person who is totally daft and more at home in a zoo or the house of lords.
So matrix signs should target those unfamiliar with the world around them.

Countless times traffic has been approaching from a slip road and I think don’t they realise i can only go 56mph just floor it and you will be fine, FFS don’t sit there at 56 mph confused, now I have to pull over to avoid an accident or hold my ground and hope you don’t drive into the trailer, then be left stranded while you accelrate to 60 and I pull back in. If in doubt I ease off to let them in whenever possible mainly to avoid the paperwork.

Can’t recall which motorway it was on earlier this week, (Either M69 or M1) but there was a broken down car full of Asians (so it was probably a Nissan Bluebird) on the hardshoulder. I assumed they were broke down but it might’ve been prayer time as one woman (most likely buck toothed with huge sideburns) was laying out a blanket. Either that or they were going to ditch the currymobile and fly home. :smiling_imp:

Left hand down!:
Well the answer to that is to scrap the whole system then as it’s clearly not fit for purpose. It amazes me how you and that other HA muppet always jump straight in on any such thread automatically defending the HA and your gold-plated jobs-for-the-boys but when you wipe away all your bull [zb] it’s perfectly clear that these new multi-million pound systems are in fact quite the opposite and very broken with more flaws and holes in them than a kitchen colander.
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Out of the 12 on my previous shift 8 of us held HGV licences so maybe we can quote your job a bit, Tell me what experience you have of the job we do :slight_smile:

Your ignorance of what happens on a snapshot view is pretty astounding LHD and flawed on many levels especially the concrete barriers, 1/2 the drivers on here cry out for them to prevent hgv crissovers, if you search the net there is a picture of a hgv parked on top of one somewhere in the uk, as Jase points out this removes a need to close lanes every night to repair barrier after a car hits it.

I packed in full time driving after approx 15 years to try and use some of the knowledge to make a difference, that was a pay cut and no gold plated bollox you talk about.

I liase to people in different areas including your trade associations etc to try and improve things but dunna be worrying LHD I’m rooting about on the net everyday to find something different as I have realised no one gives a foooook, as the decent staff leave the HA you’ll be left with career civil servants straight from school who know ■■■■ all about your industry.

I’ve had a bit of experience working for the HA. Also HGV/LGV licence for 23 years (not that it means much as theres drivers and screwdrivers).

Anyway turned up one morning for an early M’way job, road closure already in place but someone had stolen all our shovels. Luckily foreman told us we could lean on each other till more shovels arrived.

I’ll get me coat :blush:

Dipper_Dave:
I’ll get me coat :blush:

:laughing: :astonished: :laughing: :laughing:

I hope it’s a hi vis one :stuck_out_tongue: