I know why driving time resets at midnight Sunday due to it being the end of the fixed week, but why does it do it on every night if your on night shift and go past midnight?
Just had a right job working out my start finish times for last week.
Don’t do nights so it’s not something I’ve ever come across but I’ve never heard of it resetting the driving time each night. Also, apologies if I’m not understanding your point correctly but regardless of actual driving times, the start and finish times must surely remain a constant?
I’m probably just not grasping your meaning correctly mate.
I’m guessing here, because I’m not sure what you are getting at, but you are working from printouts or looking back at the display for 24 hours. The printout and 24-hour display runs for the calendar 24-hours and not your 24-hour period. If you need a printout for a shift that goes over midnight you will need two to give the complete picture of a shift and you need to work out the total driving time for the shift from that as one printout will have driving times from the end part of one and the first part of the next on it.
It doesn’t reset the driving time at midnight each day, it just gives you exactly what it asks when it says ‘24 Hours?’ It gives you all the data for the current calendar 24 hours. The only thing that gets reset at midnight Sunday is the fortnightly driving total as one week is dropped off the calculation as the new week begins, nothing else is reset.
Can confirm the above. I did a printout at the end of a shift at 3am, selecting “Yes” to the prompt asking me if I wanted a 24hr printout when taking out the card because I’d forgotten to write down the start mileage. It printed out from midnight, 3hrs worth.
Coffeeholic:
I’m guessing here, because I’m not sure what you are getting at, but you are working from printouts or looking back at the display for 24 hours. The printout and 24-hour display runs for the calendar 24-hours and not your 24-hour period. If you need a printout for a shift that goes over midnight you will need two to give the complete picture of a shift and you need to work out the total driving time for the shift from that as one printout will have driving times from the end part of one and the first part of the next on it.It doesn’t reset the driving time at midnight each day, it just gives you exactly what it asks when it says ‘24 Hours?’ It gives you all the data for the current calendar 24 hours. The only thing that gets reset at midnight Sunday is the fortnightly driving total as one week is dropped off the calculation as the new week begins, nothing else is reset.
Thing is, if you press the little arrow down that displays driver 1 driving time and break time after midnight, the driving time has been reset to zero regardless of wether a full break has been taken.
I did a print out today for one day last week and it does show what I did from midnight to when I finished and also what I did from start till midnight, and only had the driving time from shift start, 7pm to midnight at the bottom.
been on day shift today, but back on night shift tomorrow so will have another look at it.
the maoster:
Don’t do nights so it’s not something I’ve ever come across but I’ve never heard of it resetting the driving time each night. Also, apologies if I’m not understanding your point correctly but regardless of actual driving times, the start and finish times must surely remain a constant?I’m probably just not grasping your meaning correctly mate.
I think the correct point is, that you cant just do 1 print out to check your driving time from start of night shift once you go past midnight like you can if your on days, it seems that you have to do 2 to get the driving times then add it together.
Simply put, why doesn’t it just reset it after you have finished your shift and had the required daily rest?
Because digi tachos are just stupid machines that only do as they are programmed to do. On the early stoneridge units your second break only needed to be the remaining minutes to make it up to 45. So if your first break was 20 minutes it would quite happily accept 25 minutes to make you legal to drive again.
mucker85:
Because digi tachos are just stupid machines that only do as they are programmed to do. On the early stoneridge units your second break only needed to be the remaining minutes to make it up to 45. So if your first break was 20 minutes it would quite happily accept 25 minutes to make you legal to drive again.
That’s because when digi tachos were first introduced, that’s all you needed (indeed, you could even quite legally take three separate 15 minute breaks). The law was later changed (2009, I think) and some time later, new tachographs reflected this change. Ours (on a fleet of 59 plated Dafs, with VDO tachos) all do it.
Roymondo:
mucker85:
Because digi tachos are just stupid machines that only do as they are programmed to do. On the early stoneridge units your second break only needed to be the remaining minutes to make it up to 45. So if your first break was 20 minutes it would quite happily accept 25 minutes to make you legal to drive again.That’s because when digi tachos were first introduced, that’s all you needed (indeed, you could even quite legally take three separate 15 minute breaks). The law was later changed (2009, I think) and some time later, new tachographs reflected this change. Ours (on a fleet of 59 plated Dafs, with VDO tachos) all do it.
I’ve never known it be legal to have 20 then 25 minutes as a legal 45.
mucker85:
Roymondo:
mucker85:
Because digi tachos are just stupid machines that only do as they are programmed to do. On the early stoneridge units your second break only needed to be the remaining minutes to make it up to 45. So if your first break was 20 minutes it would quite happily accept 25 minutes to make you legal to drive again.That’s because when digi tachos were first introduced, that’s all you needed (indeed, you could even quite legally take three separate 15 minute breaks). The law was later changed (2009, I think) and some time later, new tachographs reflected this change. Ours (on a fleet of 59 plated Dafs, with VDO tachos) all do it.
I’ve never known it be legal to have 20 then 25 minutes as a legal 45.
You might not have known it but it was, as it was to have 3x15 minutes to make a 45 or to take it as 30 then 15. All of those were legal options before 11th April 2007.
I’m not 100% sure about this but I thought that when you eject your card from the Siemens/VDO and it asks if you want a 24h print out, I am sure I read somewhere that ‘that’ print out was a different 24h period than the ‘other’ 24h print outs and that meant the whole shift you have just done would be on it.
As I said - not 100% sure and I have never tried it to verify it. Anybody know? I’m sure I read it in a Siemens book … maybe I’m the victim of a bit of ■■■■■■■■?
shep532:
I’m not 100% sure about this but I thought that when you eject your card from the Siemens/VDO and it asks if you want a 24h print out, I am sure I read somewhere that ‘that’ print out was a different 24h period than the ‘other’ 24h print outs and that meant the whole shift you have just done would be on it.As I said - not 100% sure and I have never tried it to verify it. Anybody know? I’m sure I read it in a Siemens book … maybe I’m the victim of a bit of [zb]?
That’s correct, if you’re on nights and after midnight do a printout during the card ejection process, you get a printout that shows all activities for the previous day and the current day.
It makes for quite a long printout though 
If you do a 24 hour printout at any time other than when you’re ejecting the driver card you get a printout for the selected date.
The tachograph records a period between 00:00 and 24:00. A night shift generally runs between two separate periods. They have not yet designed a tachograph to calculate a night workers shift, as they work half their shift in one period and the other half in another period.
For example, a night worker who works 6 shifts, Sunday to Friday, technically works 7 consecutive days as his night shift will drift into Saturday morning, which as we all know is illegal under current regulations.
This is why, I believe they introduced the ‘10 hr rule’ for night drivers. But that’s only my opinion.
Honestscott76:
For example, a night worker who works 6 shifts, Sunday to Friday, technically works 7 consecutive days as his night shift will drift into Saturday morning, which as we all know is illegal under current regulations.
There’s nothing illegal about doing work on seven consecutive days, as long as you start a new weekly rest period no later than 144 hours from the end of the last weekly rest period it’s legal.
For instance, if you start work at 20:00 Sunday after a weekly rest period you must start a new weekly rest period no later than 20:00 Saturday, that’s work done on seven consecutive days and perfectly legal.
Honestscott76:
For example, a night worker who works 6 shifts, Sunday to Friday, technically works 7 consecutive days as his night shift will drift into Saturday morning, which as we all know is illegal under current regulations.
Only those that don’t know or understand the regulations would ‘know’ that was illegal because it isn’t.
There is nothing in the regulations which prevent you working on 7 consecutive calendar days. In addition to the legal example tachograph gave you could also start Monday and work 6 shifts before finishing on Saturday. take a 24-hour reduced weekly rest and resume Sunday which would be working on 7 days. You could then work through to early hours of Friday morning, take a 45-hour weekly rest and resume very late Saturday evening and crack on in this manner and easily end up working on 21 or more consecutive days quite legally.
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Coffeeholic:
Honestscott76:
For example, a night worker who works 6 shifts, Sunday to Friday, technically works 7 consecutive days as his night shift will drift into Saturday morning, which as we all know is illegal under current regulations.Only those that don’t know or understand the regulations would ‘know’ that was illegal because it isn’t.
There is nothing in the regulations which prevent you working on 7 consecutive calendar days. In addition to the legal example tachograph gave you could also start Monday and work 6 shifts before finishing on Saturday. take a 24-hour reduced weekly rest and resume Sunday which would be working on 7 days. You could then work through to early hours of Friday morning, take a 45-hour weekly rest and resume very late Saturday evening and crack on in this manner and easily end up working on 21 or more consecutive days quite legally.
You could legally work every calendar day. If you finished 0100 on Saturday, 45 hours rest takes you to 2200 Sunday. You could do this week after week after week.
Coffeeholic:
mucker85:
Roymondo:
mucker85:
Because digi tachos are just stupid machines that only do as they are programmed to do. On the early stoneridge units your second break only needed to be the remaining minutes to make it up to 45. So if your first break was 20 minutes it would quite happily accept 25 minutes to make you legal to drive again.That’s because when digi tachos were first introduced, that’s all you needed (indeed, you could even quite legally take three separate 15 minute breaks). The law was later changed (2009, I think) and some time later, new tachographs reflected this change. Ours (on a fleet of 59 plated Dafs, with VDO tachos) all do it.
I’ve never known it be legal to have 20 then 25 minutes as a legal 45.
You might not have known it but it was, as it was to have 3x15 minutes to make a 45 or to take it as 30 then 15. All of those were legal options before 11th April 2007.
I knew about 3x15 minutes and 30 then 15 but never knew you could take any combination of any amount to reach 45? 10 and 35? 25 and 20?
No, breaks always had to be at least 15 minutes. So 15+15+15 was the absolute minimum. Personally I always found two breaks of about 23 minutes suited me well - one for a bite to eat and read the paper, the other for a kip