eagerbeaver:
When Saddam invaded Kuwait, our country was very divided about Bush and Blair going in. However, a sprinkling of WMD threat convinced enough people to back Blair..
at the risk of sounding pedantic,saddam invaded Kuwait in 1990-1st gulf war.
volvo2:
Carryfast:
Freight Dog:
And Christianity is? Love they neighbour, unless he does not confirm with the Lords narrow field of love. Then smythe him…Sound familiar?
It doesn’t sound familiar mainly because it’s thousands of years old. Tell me when were you last smythed in England as a result of not liking the Church of England or disagreeing with Christianity? Try that in Saudi and see what happens. Top tip, don’t bother wearing a hat the day you do.
Which raises that question what is it that makes these appeasers so keen on bringing this alien culture into Europe.
We do know there is a link between Socialism and arming that culture to the teeth to take out Israel as part of at least one anti Jewish anti western agenda in 1967 and 1973.
Israel appears to be the only country they leave alone. I wonder why that is?
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Because they don’t do political correctness? Because their border is tighter than a ducks arse?
Because their attitude at the same time keeps them safe, and causes most of the problems in that area?
Rjan:
Freight Dog:
Was any western military action responsible for the still on going practice of stoning women?Yes!
The reason being that internal extremists on the margins of these societies have been helped into power. It’s akin to the National Front in our society being given a war chest and containers full of guns and vehicles, plus military training and advice from the CIA!
Fascinating. So you’re telling me the centuries old violent practices of Saudi that have remained pretty much the same for centuries are the result of the CIA? So when they chopped heads and hands off poor workers two blocks down from my hotel I stayed in and and off for 2 years - it was nothing to do with centuries of unchanged views on human treatment and everything to do with the CIA? I’m fascinated that the CIA existed all those thousands of years ago to start the fire for them
Will Islam never cease to find excuses for the actions carried out under its name? Will it ever take a single drop of ownership of anything at its feet? The very practices of it’s most valued country are someone else’s fault now? Give me a break.
Dolph:
Turkey military coup: Erdoğan says ‘we will overcome this’
• Martial law imposed and curfew declared across country
• Armed forces: action taken to ‘reinstate constitutional order, human rights and freedoms’Power to the military!!!
Sounds interesting.Now offer to hand back Cyprus to Greek control and create a Kurdish homeland and return the name of Istanbul to Constantinople and re consecrate the Hagia Sophia as a Christian church and we might be getting somewhere. 
And Christianity is? Love they neighbour, unless he does not confirm with the Lords narrow field of love. Then smythe him…
Sound familiar?
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It doesn’t sound familiar mainly because it’s thousands of years old. Tell me when were you last smythed in England as a result of not liking the Church of England or disagreeing with Christianity? Try that in Saudi and see what happens. Top tip, don’t bother wearing a hat the
I’ll bite… religion is my pet subject. Paganism is much, much older than Christianity. And whilst pagans may have sacrificed the odd person, they never went round telling other people that their pagan deities where wrong, and convert to ours or we will kill you. Modern religion is about control. Control the ‘believer’ (who is always promised a carrot of ethernal life) and you can use him at will for your motives. The Christian church is rich beyond believe, because not giving money to your church is bad. Hell awaits…
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I didn’t ask you to bite, I just asked you when were you smythed? Thats what you were asserting. We’re talking present day stuff here, not history. Never mind wealth, the banks are wealthy too, people are wealthy. But let’s stick to the point, when were you beaten or attacked in the UK as a result of a Christian church? Or as you assert, when were you or anyone you know smythed?
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day you do.
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This country is no longer controlled by the church, as it once was. The barbaric church habits of burning people, racking people, drowning people, are now long gone, but not forgotten.
the nodding donkey:
This country is no longer controlled by the church, as it once was. The barbaric church habits of burning people, racking people, drowning people, are now long gone, but not forgotten.
Exactly, long gone. We live in today and are heading into tomorrow. It would seem imprudent to dwell on the practices from hundreds and hundreds of years ago of a church (and society as a whole I might add) that now runs village fetes, visits the sick in hospital, takes your local funeral. Sure, beat them with a stick if it makes you feel better. But aren’t you fiddling whilst Rome burns?
Why pick on the C of E when there’s a head office country of the largest political and religious movement in the world that carries out those centuries old atrocities you talk of right now, right this year. And it’s movement and laws are primed for export. I know what I’d be concentrating on more and it’s not picking on the C of E.
Freight Dog:
Rjan:
Freight Dog:
Was any western military action responsible for the still on going practice of stoning women?Yes!
The reason being that internal extremists on the margins of these societies have been helped into power. It’s akin to the National Front in our society being given a war chest and containers full of guns and vehicles, plus military training and advice from the CIA!
Fascinating. So you’re telling me the centuries old violent practices of Saudi that have remained pretty much the same for centuries are the result of the CIA? So when they chopped heads and hands off poor workers two blocks down from my hotel I stayed in and and off for 2 years - it was nothing to do with centuries of unchanged views on human treatment and everything to do with the CIA? I’m fascinated that the CIA existed all those thousands of years ago to start the fire for them
Will Islam never cease to find excuses for the actions carried out under its name? Will it ever take a single drop of ownership of anything at its feet? The very practices of it’s most valued country are someone else’s fault now? Give me a break.
I notice you isolated that part of my post from the rest, which basically addressed the point you now make (that there are elements of traditional societies which were not created by the CIA).
To reiterate, my point is that the CIA has exacerbated those features in societies that were moving beyond them!
Moreover, if we did go into Saudi Arabia, it would not solve those problems but it would create other even more grave problems than a minority losing hands and heads, which is exactly what has happened in the places we have invaded.
The answer to a society that chops hands off (if we even need to answer it, rather than doing nothing), is not in the general case to bomb their houses to the ground, not to kill entire extended families, not to shoot the same people in the streets, not to smash the economy, the military, and the security forces of that place. Capiche?
the nodding donkey:
volvo2:
Israel appears to be the only country they leave alone. I wonder why that is?Because they don’t do political correctness? Because their border is tighter than a ducks arse?
Because their attitude at the same time keeps them safe, and causes most of the problems in that area?
You mean like defending themselves against being attacked on all sides and almost wiped out by East German and Russian Communist backed Arab forces.Strange how Israel ‘causes’ the problems in the area just by their existence in their own country.While we have to welcome with open arms that same aggressive culture,that won’t accept the right of Israel’s existence.
Just to say really I am at a loss for words really over this and many other types of acts of terrorism.
RIP to those who lost their lives and thoughts to anyone else affected whether the loss of a loved one or witnessing such horrible events unfolding.
There really are no words that can justify the actions of that day or many more days before this act, we can debate til the cows come home but everyone needs to be more vigilant these days and report stuff no matter how trivial it may seem as one day it could be something small that stops something like this happening again.
Rjan:
The-Snowman:
Im not even going to bother to repeat all the other examples of excuses terrorists give. You’ll keep on making excuses for it. Much like the foreign workers thread, its pointless trying to point stuff out to you. You see what you want to see and ignore the rest. Im not going round in circles trying to make you see the flaws in your logicI wish you could point out the flaws in my logic at all, because you haven’t attempted it. All you’ve posted is some cod history and cod cultural analysis, and think we should swallow this unexamined.
I gave you examples of other instances that terrorists had commited murder and the reasons they gave. You ignored it and instead came back to pinning the blame on the west. Im not going to keep repeating myself like the last time you suffered from selective reading
Rjan:
volvo2:
Israel appears to be the only country they leave alone. I wonder why that is?Israel is not left alone, not even remotely. It would have folded completely but for its allies’ support and resources from afar
Like support in defence against a Stalinist/Stasi Socialist backed attempt at racist genocidal wipe out of it people by a similar Socialist/Islamic racist alliance as Hitler’s and Al Husseini’s before it.
Carryfast:
Rjan:
volvo2:
Israel appears to be the only country they leave alone. I wonder why that is?Israel is not left alone, not even remotely. It would have folded completely but for its allies’ support and resources from afar
Like support in defence against a Stalinist/Stasi Socialist backed attempt at racist genocidal wipe out of it people by a similar Socialist/Islamic racist alliance as Hitler’s and Al Husseini’s before it.
Just ■■■■ off. Just ■■■■ off.
Carryfast:
the nodding donkey:
volvo2:
Israel appears to be the only country they leave alone. I wonder why that is?Because they don’t do political correctness? Because their border is tighter than a ducks arse?
Because their attitude at the same time keeps them safe, and causes most of the problems in that area?You mean like defending themselves against being attacked on all sides and almost wiped out by East German and Russian Communist backed Arab forces.Strange how Israel ‘causes’ the problems in the area just by their existence in their own country.While we have to welcome with open arms that same aggressive culture,that won’t accept the right of Israel’s existence.
Their own country? By who’s account? The Jews? The Brits? The locals?
You just showed your cards…
Freight Dog:
Why pick on the C of E when there’s a head office country of the largest political and religious movement in the world that carries out those centuries old atrocities you talk of right now, right this year. And it’s movement and laws are primed for export. I know what I’d be concentrating on more and it’s not picking on the C of E.
Ironically I’m christened C of E and my views,regarding its regressive attitudes to the sanctity of marriage and life in the form of adultery and the convenient idea that life begins at birth not conception.Not surprising being based on the thoughts of a murderous adulterer are well known.So far no Protestant storm troopers have been sent out from Hampton Court to get me as yet.While I’m happy enough to tolerate such a heretic ideology without calling for a Catholic takeover. 
Rjan:
Freight Dog:
Rjan:
Freight Dog:
Was any western military action responsible for the still on going practice of stoning women?Yes!
The reason being that internal extremists on the margins of these societies have been helped into power. It’s akin to the National Front in our society being given a war chest and containers full of guns and vehicles, plus military training and advice from the CIA!
Fascinating. So you’re telling me the centuries old violent practices of Saudi that have remained pretty much the same for centuries are the result of the CIA? So when they chopped heads and hands off poor workers two blocks down from my hotel I stayed in and and off for 2 years - it was nothing to do with centuries of unchanged views on human treatment and everything to do with the CIA? I’m fascinated that the CIA existed all those thousands of years ago to start the fire for them
Will Islam never cease to find excuses for the actions carried out under its name? Will it ever take a single drop of ownership of anything at its feet? The very practices of it’s most valued country are someone else’s fault now? Give me a break.
I notice you isolated that part of my post from the rest, which basically addressed the point you now make (that there are elements of traditional societies which were not created by the CIA).
To reiterate, my point is that the CIA has exacerbated those features in societies that were moving beyond them!
Moreover, if we did go into Saudi Arabia, it would not solve those problems but it would create other even more grave problems than a minority losing hands and heads, which is exactly what has happened in the places we have invaded.
Ok I agree on that. That is a fair point. I also do agree on military action within these countries is and has been an historically poor thing. I take heavy disagreement with any sentiment that Islam is not anyway responsible for actions that happen on its doorstep. This lack of taking any ownership and squirrelly arguments is rubbing people up the wrong way.
Bare in mind, a lot of people of the faith strongly agree with the laws and will not push come to shove do anything that is seen to betray them. Luckily for them, living in western Europe, they’re not placed in that position. Yet.
Living in a diluted society (althought its changing) they are free to dine out on a certain dichotomy of living out their religious beliefs but being governed and protected by a western society’s relatively humane laws.
Carryfast:
Freight Dog:
Why pick on the C of E when there’s a head office country of the largest political and religious movement in the world that carries out those centuries old atrocities you talk of right now, right this year. And it’s movement and laws are primed for export. I know what I’d be concentrating on more and it’s not picking on the C of E.Ironically I’m christened C of E and my views,regarding its regressive attitudes to the sanctity of marriage and life in the form of adultery and the convenient idea that life begins at birth not conception.Not surprising being based on the thoughts of a murderous adulterer are well known.So far no Protestant storm troopers have been sent out from Hampton Court to get me as yet.While I’m happy enough to tolerate such a heretic ideology without calling for a Catholic takeover.
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2 questions
How does an 18 tonne box van on the original video become a tractor and trailer in the morning and why are all the bullet holes in the screen on the right hand side when its a left hand drive truck.
the nodding donkey:
Carryfast:
You mean like defending themselves against being attacked on all sides and almost wiped out by East German and Russian Communist backed Arab forces.Strange how Israel ‘causes’ the problems in the area just by their existence in their own country.While we have to welcome with open arms that same aggressive culture,that won’t accept the right of Israel’s existence.Their own country? By who’s account? The Jews? The Brits? The locals?
You just showed your cards…
Their own country rightly confirmed by recognition in 1948/9.
My cards are well known.Especially in pointing out the historic link between Socialism and aggressive ant simitic Islam.Whether it be Hitler’s backing of Al Husseini or the Soviet/Warsaw Pact arming to the teeth of the Arab forces to take out Israel in 1973.On that note your cards seem clear enough.
the nodding donkey:
Like support in defence against a Stalinist/Stasi Socialist backed attempt at racist genocidal wipe out of it people by a similar Socialist/Islamic racist alliance as Hitler’s and Al Husseini’s before it.
Just [zb] off. Just [zb] off.
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So I’m guessing you don’t support the Israeli side in that argument and you think that Israel was the aggressor not the Arabs and their zb Socialist scum backers.
Bking:
why are all the bullet holes in the screen on the right hand side when its a left hand drive truck.
It’s possible that they are either exit hits on the screen from shots entering through the side window/s.Or shots hitting the screen fired from an angle across the front of the truck.Strange how the cab interior isn’t covered in blood assuming the nutter was full of holes at that point though.
