Many dead as lorry hits crowd in Nice

Evil8Beezle:

raymundo:

kcrussell25:

raymundo:
All very well saying there is 20 miles of water separating them from us, but there wasn’t any water at all that stopped the London attacks apart from the Thames, and maybe or more than likely already here and waiting …

I said slow them down, not stop. They may well be here. I think we are more at risk from the “homegrown” threat. {end quote}

Oh well that’s ok then, we’ll have an attack next Wednesday instead of next Tuesday, great help !! :unamused:

Have you spotted that the truck is RHD, it may well have come from here! :open_mouth:
Unlikely I know, but possible…

It looks like a left hand drive to me, check the mirrors.

What should of been a happy family night out has brought so much death and misery to so many innocent people all because of some brain washed religious fanatic all in the name of Islam.

Evil8Beezle:
Have you spotted that the truck is RHD, it may well have come from here! :open_mouth:
Unlikely I know, but possible…

Most unlikely , its Via Location ,possibly the largest rental company in France

Evil8Beezle:

raymundo:

kcrussell25:

raymundo:
All very well saying there is 20 miles of water separating them from us, but there wasn’t any water at all that stopped the London attacks apart from the Thames, and maybe or more than likely already here and waiting …

I said slow them down, not stop. They may well be here. I think we are more at risk from the “homegrown” threat. {end quote}

Oh well that’s ok then, we’ll have an attack next Wednesday instead of next Tuesday, great help !! :unamused:

Have you spotted that the truck is RHD, it may well have come from here! :open_mouth:
Unlikely I know, but possible…

Evil… you really need to get ya self down to spec savers mate… its a LHD unit…

mushroomman:
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raymundo:

kcrussell25:

raymundo:
All very well saying there is 20 miles of water separating them from us, but there wasn’t any water at all that stopped the London attacks apart from the Thames, and maybe or more than likely already here and waiting …

I said slow them down, not stop. They may well be here. I think we are more at risk from the “homegrown” threat. {end quote}

Oh well that’s ok then, we’ll have an attack next Wednesday instead of next Tuesday, great help !! :unamused:

Have you spotted that the truck is RHD, it may well have come from here! :open_mouth:
Unlikely I know, but possible…

It looks like a left hand drive to me, check the mirrors.

What should of been a happy family night out has brought so much death and misery to so many innocent people all because of some brain washed religious fanatic lorry driver all in the name of Islam.
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volvo2:
Do you think that when merkel opened the door to europe for the refugees that people like this came in with him with no checks whatsoever. I think it is only a matter of time before they hit the UK sorry to have to say that. So we must really protect our borders from tonight. These people are fanatics

The guy responsible is supposedly from Tunisia, and probably had French citizenship because that used to be part of France. It’s a bit like us with the commonwealth nations, such as South Africa, Rhodesia, or Australia.

Definitely a left ■■■■■■, although most bullet holes are in the passenger side but maybe they were fired across from an angle.
I first thought it was a 7.5t but after looking at the mobile phone footage of it driving along it looks it’s got a really long body, specially for a sleeper cab, so could be a 12t or bigger.
Makes me laugh that a BBC reporter earlier described it as a ‘big articulated lorry’.
My heart goes out to all involved.

RIP to all fallen!
Speedy recovery to the wounded!
Horrible attack.

A possible knock-on effect from this - is yet more vilification and mistrust of the trucking community by the general public.

Foreign truckers approaching Calais might now be told “If you are seen swerving about the road as you do - we’re gonna shoot you in your cab from now on!”

The world isn’t getting any better at the moment.

I’d argue we could do with a major terror crackdown in this country courtesy of a new PM who’s used to giving “Green Light” signals already.
Sure, there’s a risk of some “backseat driving” with Amber Rudd in the job, and hardly having got her seat warm yet - but looking at this “hit the ground running” approach so far - I wouldn’t rule anything out on this side of the channel at least.

Over ten of the Nice casualties are kids…

RIP. :frowning:

Stop with the EU BS, at least in this thread, its not EU fault for this psychopaths to take arms and kill civilians.

According to French authorities the terrorist is a 31 year old French citizen from Tunisian back ground. In other words home grown muslim terrorist.

Winseer:
A possible knock-on effect from this - is yet more vilification and mistrust of the trucking community by the general public.

Foreign truckers approaching Calais might now be told “If you are seen swerving about the road as you do - we’re gonna shoot you in your cab from now on!”
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Let’ s not get carried away here, I really do not think that is going to happen.
Yet another atrocity carried out in the name of this ‘peaceful religion’ we keep hearing about :unamused: .
How can any human being just callously plough into innocent people, and worse still young chidren, without a hint of basic human empathy.
One of those normal innocent poor victims are worth 10 of that example of human dross that perpetrated this horror.
It’s reported there are in excess of 11000 suspects on the French Government’s watch list, and those are the ones they actually know about :open_mouth:
. How many do you reckon are in the UK, we either have an efficient Intelligence agency that has stopped many threats before they happen, or we have just been lucky for the last 10 years since 7/7.
If there are suspects on our ‘watch list’ why are they not instantly deported if they can not behave themselves in our country, who tf would miss these bastds.■■ or at least have an internment policy as in WW2, but the limp wristed right on lefties would not have that, they would rather have them living among us 'intigrating,…yeh right ! :unamused:
The ones that can behave themselves, whether first or second generation immigrants, are welcome in my opinion, not a problem, as I have no rascist belefs or predjudices, but as has been said they must come out en masse, and be seen to do so :bulb: , to condemn these religious headcases that are causing so many atrocities in the name of a fantasy religion. ( not biased btw, all religion is fantasy imo )

robroy:
Yet another atrocity carried out in the name of this ‘peaceful religion’ we keep hearing about :unamused:

Look at Thomas Mair, who killed the MP whilst shouting “Death to traitors, freedom for Britain”, you wouldn’t say he represents Britain, even if he sees himself as fighting for it, or even if people are sympathetic to his cause if not his means (and certainly wouldn’t contemplate those means themselves).

That’s the case with the majority of Muslims. They are sympathetic to the cause to varying degrees, they are not sympathetic to the means, although like in Ireland if you go in and start harrying the peaceful population, or if you ignore the underlying demands for too long, people will eventually become increasingly sympathetic to the means of what becomes a guerrilla war.

How can any human being just callously plough into innocent people, and worse still young chidren, without a hint of basic human empathy.

It’s saddening, and I was particularly struck by Hollande mentioning how it happened on France’s national day of celebration, but also worth remembering that it’s happening on the other side too in other countries, as a result of wars waged by us, by France, by others. Children are being shot, blown to bits, bombed in their sleep, and British politicians still dare to say it’s all justified because Saddam killed some people himself (or Gadaffi, etc.).

We’ve heard just recently about how teenagers were forced into, or thrown into, rivers in Iraq by soldiers, and so killed because they couldn’t swim. There are said to have been dozens of cases of such deaths.

It’s reported there are in excess of 11000 suspects on the French Government’s watch list, and those are the ones they actually know about :open_mouth:

Because they’re looking for needles in haystacks, or probably more precisely spits of steam from a pan of water coming to the boil (because that more accurately captures how ordinary water turns to burning steam if heat is applied, and turns back to water if not, and the individual molecules constantly churn and change potential).

How many do you reckon are in the UK, we either have an efficient Intelligence agency that has stopped many threats before they happen, or we have just been lucky for the last 10 years since 7/7.

I suspect this attack will have given people ideas. None of us will be able to go on any sort of public march or gathering anymore without looking for the exit in case a lorry comes steaming through.

If there are suspects on our ‘watch list’ why are they not instantly deported if they can not behave themselves in our country

Because many suspects have not in fact done anything - I imagine you’d get on a suspect list if a kingpin rings the wrong number from his mobile and gets through to you (at least until, and unless, an intelligence analyst was able to detect the mistake and rule you back out). If we could be sure the “suspect” population contained only criminals and nobody else, they wouldn’t be suspects - we’d be home dry.

who tf would miss these bastds.■■ or at least have an internment policy as in WW2, but the limp wristed right on lefties would not have that, they would rather have them living among us 'intigrating,…yeh right ! :unamused:

Or internment as in Northern Ireland in 1971?

The ones that can behave themselves, whether first or second generation immigrants, are welcome in my opinion, not a problem, as I have no rascist belefs or predjudices, but as has been said they must come out en masse, and be seen to do so :bulb: , to condemn these religious headcases that are causing so many atrocities in the name of a fantasy religion. ( not biased btw, all religion is fantasy imo )

What do you expect most of them to say? That the troubles in the Middle East (or the other grievances that touch Muslim communities) must be resolved, but that they reject terrorism? Most of them are saying that already, and the powers that be don’t want them given any more attention, because they won’t reject terrorism without mentioning the grievances, and so it only draws attention to our dirty linen.

Ghandi rejected violence, but there was still a great deal of violence offered by other groups with the same agenda, and most importantly, Ghandi eventually got his way, and yet we still have Hilary Benn standing up in Parliament and openly advocating more war. The French are just as bad themselves.

Rjan:
also worth remembering that it’s happening on the other side too in other countries, as a result of wars waged by us, by France, by others. Children are being shot, blown to bits, bombed in their sleep, and British politicians still dare to say it’s all justified because Saddam killed some people himself (or Gadaffi, etc.).

We’ve heard just recently about how teenagers were forced into, or thrown into, rivers in Iraq by soldiers, and so killed because they couldn’t swim. There are said to have been dozens of cases of such deaths.

So an eye for an eye is ok then? Is that what you’re saying?
This guy has killed almost 100 innocent people so if a vigilante group decides to storm a mosque and start killing, will you justify their actions? Its the same principal.

if we all lived to the eye for eye system most of the world would be blind :frowning: :frowning: .

Rjan:

robroy:
Yet another atrocity carried out in the name of this ‘peaceful religion’ we keep hearing about :unamused:

Look at Thomas Mair, who killed the MP whilst shouting “Death to traitors, freedom for Britain”, you wouldn’t say he represents Britain, even if he sees himself as fighting for it, or even if people are sympathetic to his cause if not his means (and certainly wouldn’t contemplate those means themselves).

That’s the case with the majority of Muslims. They are sympathetic to the cause to varying degrees, they are not sympathetic to the means, although like in Ireland if you go in and start harrying the peaceful population, or if you ignore the underlying demands for too long, people will eventually become increasingly sympathetic to the means of what becomes a guerrilla war.

How can any human being just callously plough into innocent people, and worse still young chidren, without a hint of basic human empathy.

It’s saddening, and I was particularly struck by Hollande mentioning how it happened on France’s national day of celebration, but also worth remembering that it’s happening on the other side too in other countries, as a result of wars waged by us, by France, by others. Children are being shot, blown to bits, bombed in their sleep, and British politicians still dare to say it’s all justified because Saddam killed some people himself (or Gadaffi, etc.).

We’ve heard just recently about how teenagers were forced into, or thrown into, rivers in Iraq by soldiers, and so killed because they couldn’t swim. There are said to have been dozens of cases of such deaths.

It’s reported there are in excess of 11000 suspects on the French Government’s watch list, and those are the ones they actually know about :open_mouth:

Because they’re looking for needles in haystacks, or probably more precisely spits of steam from a pan of water coming to the boil (because that more accurately captures how ordinary water turns to burning steam if heat is applied, and turns back to water if not, and the individual molecules constantly churn and change potential).

How many do you reckon are in the UK, we either have an efficient Intelligence agency that has stopped many threats before they happen, or we have just been lucky for the last 10 years since 7/7.

I suspect this attack will have given people ideas. None of us will be able to go on any sort of public march or gathering anymore without looking for the exit in case a lorry comes steaming through.

If there are suspects on our ‘watch list’ why are they not instantly deported if they can not behave themselves in our country

Because many suspects have not in fact done anything - I imagine you’d get on a suspect list if a kingpin rings the wrong number from his mobile and gets through to you (at least until, and unless, an intelligence analyst was able to detect the mistake and rule you back out). If we could be sure the “suspect” population contained only criminals and nobody else, they wouldn’t be suspects - we’d be home dry.

who tf would miss these bastds.■■ or at least have an internment policy as in WW2, but the limp wristed right on lefties would not have that, they would rather have them living among us 'intigrating,…yeh right ! :unamused:

Or internment as in Northern Ireland in 1971?

The ones that can behave themselves, whether first or second generation immigrants, are welcome in my opinion, not a problem, as I have no rascist belefs or predjudices, but as has been said they must come out en masse, and be seen to do so :bulb: , to condemn these religious headcases that are causing so many atrocities in the name of a fantasy religion. ( not biased btw, all religion is fantasy imo )

What do you expect most of them to say? That the troubles in the Middle East (or the other grievances that touch Muslim communities) must be resolved, but that they reject terrorism? Most of them are saying that already, and the powers that be don’t want them given any more attention, because they won’t reject terrorism without mentioning the grievances, and so it only draws attention to our dirty linen.

Ghandi rejected violence, but there was still a great deal of violence offered by other groups with the same agenda, and most importantly, Ghandi eventually got his way, and yet we still have Hilary Benn standing up in Parliament and openly advocating more war. The French are just as bad themselves.

I note your condemnation of the killings in all of this present state of affairs, but do I also I detect just a hint of sympathy for what could be described as ‘The other side’’ in all this, and their causes.

Evil8Beezle:
We do need to do something, we need to encourage the Muslim community to come out on mass and condemn these sort of acts. OK it’s not yet been confirmed that it’s ISIS, but it’s quite probable! So far we really only see lip service or sound bites from Muslim leaders that they find these sorts of acts in the name of their religion disgraceful.

The Muslim community will never come out en mass and condemn these sort of terrorist attacks,because they are scared of comebacks from the terrorist supporters amongst them.A couple of muslim lads told me this a long time ago and nothing’s changed.

These attacks are ISIS’s revenge for the West (especially Bush and Blair) bombing the cr@p out of their brothers and sisters,80 odd dead innocents mean nothing to them,according to them the West killed hundreds of innocent muslim every day with the bombing campaign/shock and awe tactics.They said they would retaliate this way.

It will get a lot worse before it gets better,sadly…

Ramon123:
The Muslim community will never come out en mass and condemn these sort of terrorist attacks,because they are scared of comebacks from the terrorist supporters amongst them.A couple of muslim lads told me this a long time ago and nothing’s changed.

That may well be true!
And yes it will get worse, worse on both sides, along with a rise in racial tension for all of us living in Europe, etc…

At some point though the Muslim community may have to pick a side, as things can’t go on as they are. While I’ve no crystal ball, I guess that if the Muslim communities across Europe don’t come out and clearly ostracise themselves from ISIS, we at some point will have no choice but ostracise them! I believe a choice has to be made at some point, so the sooner the better for me!

The-Snowman:

Rjan:
also worth remembering that it’s happening on the other side too in other countries, as a result of wars waged by us, by France, by others. Children are being shot, blown to bits, bombed in their sleep, and British politicians still dare to say it’s all justified because Saddam killed some people himself (or Gadaffi, etc.).

We’ve heard just recently about how teenagers were forced into, or thrown into, rivers in Iraq by soldiers, and so killed because they couldn’t swim. There are said to have been dozens of cases of such deaths.

So an eye for an eye is ok then? Is that what you’re saying?

No, there are times to turn the other cheek, but if someone is plucking your eyes out, sometimes the only way to make them stop is for them to realise that they, too, will have their eyes plucked out if they carry on. Sometimes aggressors just don’t realise how much it hurts until it happens to them.

Of course, this requires a close analysis of who is the initial aggressor (and in fact frequently the initial aggressors claim to be responding themselves), but it’s still common in Britain, even amongst MPs, for them to be talking as though the removal of Saddam was self-evidently a favour to the Iraqis when it has proved to have been anything but. In Libya too, they say the same.

The West is consistently failing to apprehend the civilian consequences of military action, and the ■■■■■■■■■■ effect of so many failed interventions.

This guy has killed almost 100 innocent people so if a vigilante group decides to storm a mosque and start killing, will you justify their actions? Its the same principal.

I might categorise this as an example of the initial aggressor claiming to be responding, instead of turning the other cheek as an act of contrition for their own original wrongs. Indeed, our military is doing precisely the equivalent to the vigilante group in your question - except on an unprovoked basis, not as a retaliation.

The reality is that we now have to live with these problems and try and suppress them, but the underlying causes must also be addressed and allowed to settle. Our own liberal societies will be overwhelmed and made unworkable unless we stop killing so many civilians in foreign countries, and destroying their economies and civil societies without any adequate justification or compensation - things that are abhorrent to any democratic society.

robroy:
I note your condemnation of the killings in all of this present state of affairs, but do I also I detect just a hint of sympathy for what could be described as ‘The other side’’ in all this, and their causes.

I don’t see it as “the other side” in any real sense, because they aren’t our opponents.

It’s not like fighting ■■■■ Germany, where each side has a military, we each bear our losses, and one or both sides will stop when they’ve had their fill of it.

In the Middle East and North Africa, we’re attacking states that have not struck out (or whose last strikes were trivial skirmishes decades ago, from which they’d since come in from the cold). And we’re not just defeating their militaries on battlefields, we’re attacking and degrading their civil societies and destroying their economic infrastructure, and leaving civilians without basic security and order.

And some tactics, like torture, like bombing weddings and funerals, like drowning teenagers for apparently looting, they’re just completely unacceptable tactics that cause malicious civilian loss and aggravate feelings out of all proportion.

It’s perfectly right to say we can’t live in a society that suffers attacks like the French have, but when people are angry, when people are twisted with rage by the gravity of their loss, we must hold our nerve for the time being and not react out of proportion (either in terms of giving up our liberal freedoms, or launching outsized foreign strikes), and we must start to realise and address the underlying causes of this problem, wind down the military policies and actions that have provoked these responses.

Like Thomas Mair, my attitude is really much the same about him, that the underlying causes are grievances in British society (combined with malign far-right narratives), and MPs, as with their support of military action, show a cold and callous indifference to the suffering their policies create here or abroad. And because fellows like Mair have other personal problems, they are precisely the sorts of people who start to crack and take extreme measures first, but the reason canaries fall off their perches is not because they’re canaries instead of humans (as if normal people don’t need to worry about it), it’s because there’s an increasingly lethal gas in the air that is actually affecting us all gradually and will eventually affect us suddenly.

It’s also worth saying that France, like Britain, has real problems with poverty and discrimination against it’s minority communities, and again that alienates people from Western ways of life, it puts pressure on them so that sensitive or unlucky people begin to become ill and susceptible to extreme actions, it reinforces traditional values and a sense of difference, and so on.

Rjan:

The-Snowman:

Rjan:
also worth remembering that it’s happening on the other side too in other countries, as a result of wars waged by us, by France, by others. Children are being shot, blown to bits, bombed in their sleep, and British politicians still dare to say it’s all justified because Saddam killed some people himself (or Gadaffi, etc.).

We’ve heard just recently about how teenagers were forced into, or thrown into, rivers in Iraq by soldiers, and so killed because they couldn’t swim. There are said to have been dozens of cases of such deaths.

So an eye for an eye is ok then? Is that what you’re saying?

No, there are times to turn the other cheek, but if someone is plucking your eyes out, sometimes the only way to make them stop is for them to realise that they, too, will have their eyes plucked out if they carry on. Sometimes aggressors just don’t realise how much it hurts until it happens to them.

Of course, this requires a close analysis of who is the initial aggressor (and in fact frequently the initial aggressors claim to be responding themselves), but it’s still common in Britain, even amongst MPs, for them to be talking as though the removal of Saddam was self-evidently a favour to the Iraqis when it has proved to have been anything but. In Libya too, they say the same.

The West is consistently failing to apprehend the civilian consequences of military action, and the ■■■■■■■■■■ effect of so many failed interventions.

This guy has killed almost 100 innocent people so if a vigilante group decides to storm a mosque and start killing, will you justify their actions? Its the same principal.

I might categorise this as an example of the initial aggressor claiming to be responding, instead of turning the other cheek as an act of contrition for their own original wrongs. Indeed, our military is doing precisely the equivalent to the vigilante group in your question - except on an unprovoked basis, not as a retaliation.

The reality is that we now have to live with these problems and try and suppress them, but the underlying causes must also be addressed and allowed to settle. Our own liberal societies will be overwhelmed and made unworkable unless we stop killing so many civilians in foreign countries, and destroying their economies and civil societies without any adequate justification or compensation - things that are abhorrent to any democratic society.

A load of apologist twaddle. The middle east has had thousands of years of blood shed. Isis aren’t on a rampage to prove a point regarding military action. They just are yet another group filling vacant air space within the constantly changing vacuum of a fire and brimstone Islamic world. The same as Boko Haram. It’s excuses, excuses, excuses, whatever whining, winge winge winge excuse going to justify the spread of power, violence and control.

Looks like he hired the lorry 2 days beforehand and was “working” alone

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