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Marky-p:

JeffA:

Marky-p:
JeffA, Answer me this…Putin made his moves when Bush, Obama and now Biden were in office. If Trump was Putins weak puppet like you say he was, why on earth didn’t putin invade ukraine when his weak puppet was in office? Would’ve been the perfect time to do it don’t you think?

You’ll say “he could’ve easily done it during trumps administration.” Well why didn’t he then?

The truth is you have no answer. As much as you reserve a special hatred for trump, we both know he was a much tougher commander-in-chief than your God Joe Biden.

No he wasnt tougher - dont confuse talk with being tough - you realy think a pampered rich mans son is tough? He let the Afghan war carry on even after saying for 4 years he would end it. Talk is cheap.

What do you think Trump would have done that Biden didnt? Why did China let covid escape when Trump was in charge? If he was so terrifying they would have closed the borders wouldnt they?

No hatred - you dont hate a farthole. I just prefer people who dont lie. So should you.

One thing - why do you think strategy is as simple as “that leader seems weak”? You dont think thats a schoolboys understanding? Did 9\11 happen cos Bush was “weak”?. Of course not - you could argue Bin laden wanted a “tough” leader so they fall into the trap of "being tough"and invading and losing. A “weak” leader might not have been so quick to start a war they would lose. If Bush had been top “weak” to invade Afghan and Iraq wouldnt we be 15 trillion and hundreds of thousands of lives in front? Think about it. Real toughness isnt always the schoolyard bully.

If you actually think Biden’s a tough leader, mate you need professional help.

No you missed the point. A “tough” leader isn’t always best - George Bush was “tough” - that’s why he cost us 10 trillion and millions of lives going into Afghan and Iraq trying to be gung-ho.

A leader with a brain wouldn’t have done that just to “look tough”. Harold Wilson for example didn’t follow America into Vietnam when they wanted us to - that wasn’t “tough” but it was smart.

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Winseer:
The worst liars - are the ones that get believed by the most people.
They are also the most dangerous of liars, of course…

What’s the worst lie ever?

“That person over there - is lying to you!” when in fact, it is that speaker who is ‘telling the lie’…

Currently, the world’s worst liars are the Mainstream Media.
Without their help, the Deep State would be utterly powerless, as soon as any of their ongoing “Black Ops” around the world get exposed daily for what they are.
“Attacks against the entire Human Race”.

How can you say they’re a bigger liar than Trump? I’ve never heard him tell the truth. Literally EVERYTHING he says is a lie. And you trust him to replace everyone in government with his hand-picked henchmen? Now that really would create a “deep state” (which doesn’t currently exist - it would only be created if Trump gets back in)

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JeffA:

Winseer:
The worst liars - are the ones that get believed by the most people.
They are also the most dangerous of liars, of course…

What’s the worst lie ever?

“That person over there - is lying to you!” when in fact, it is that speaker who is ‘telling the lie’…

Currently, the world’s worst liars are the Mainstream Media.
Without their help, the Deep State would be utterly powerless, as soon as any of their ongoing “Black Ops” around the world get exposed daily for what they are.
“Attacks against the entire Human Race”.

How can you say they’re a bigger liar than Trump? I’ve never heard him tell the truth. Literally EVERYTHING he says is a lie. And you trust him to replace everyone in government with his hand-picked, arse kissing, yesmen? Now that really would create a “deep state” (which doesn’t currently exist - it would only be created if Trump gets back in)

Fixed that for you, Jeff.

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Whose arse are they really kissing?

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Star down under.:

JeffA:

Winseer:
The worst liars - are the ones that get believed by the most people.
They are also the most dangerous of liars, of course…

What’s the worst lie ever?

“That person over there - is lying to you!” when in fact, it is that speaker who is ‘telling the lie’…

Currently, the world’s worst liars are the Mainstream Media.
Without their help, the Deep State would be utterly powerless, as soon as any of their ongoing “Black Ops” around the world get exposed daily for what they are.
“Attacks against the entire Human Race”.

How can you say they’re a bigger liar than Trump? I’ve never heard him tell the truth. Literally EVERYTHING he says is a lie. And you trust him to replace everyone in government with his hand-picked, arse kissing, yesmen? Now that really would create a “deep state” (which doesn’t currently exist - it would only be created if Trump gets back in)

Fixed that for you, Jeff.

It isn’t “Lies” that upset the most people on either side. It is lack of delivery on policies.

It is easy for say, Labour to lie that “The Tories have given zero money to the NHS and that’s why it is in steep decline” for example.
Total LIE that. The Tories have given more money over 13 years than the rest of the time the NHS has existed put together.
But Hey, the average Labour voter likes to believe such lies - because you can browbeat the Tories with why it is NOT the real case that lazy NHS staff, corrupt Baby and Patient killers like Allit, Shipman and lately Letby - were systemically allowed to GET AWAY WITH IT IN PLAIN SIGHT because someone else supposed to be watching - was outside the gate having a crafty ■■■, or sleeping on duty in some side room that should be locked to prevent “Cleaners” from nicking substances like Phenol (Carbolic Acid Crystals) which can be used to both burn and poison people with, later called “battery acid” by the media, when in fact dilute Sulphuric Acid simply doesn’t have that effect…

LIES LIES LIES
All upheld by the Filthy LEFT - NOT “irrelevant and harmless” lies told by the Right, who merely get arrested for resisting arrest these days! :imp: :angry:

Another strong reason the NHS is in such trouble - is because we’ve got too many illegal immigrants in this country, that have full access to NHS treatments, bed-block, and clutter up our waiting rooms along with the benefit scroungers alongside them… All whilst the rest of us mere mortal PAYE taxpayers get told “Sorry bud, prescrptions are 3 weeks behind now - Why not spend your hard-earned on getting them privately from now on instead”?
Which is what I’ve been told just this week, btw - not a “Theory”…

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I’m still trying to figure out why anyone thinks Trump is “tough”. His dad gave him 500 million - have you met many trustafarians who struck you as “tough”. There’s “playing tough” and there’s “being tough” - two very different things.

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I’m still trying to figure out why anyone thinks Trump is “tough”. His dad gave him 500 million - have you met many trustafarians who struck you as “tough”. There’s “playing tough” and there’s “being tough” - two very different things.

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JeffA:
I’m still trying to figure out why anyone thinks Trump is “tough”. His dad gave him 500 million - have you met many trustafarians who struck you as “tough”. There’s “playing tough” and there’s “being tough” - two very different things.

Estimates of his wealth vary greatly, and will be rising and falling, but maybe Forbes estimates are as good as any?
They estimate that in Oct 1988 he had about $1bn, and in Oct 2023 about $2.6bn.

Adjusting for inflation, that shows a net increase of exactly zero%.

Trump said he would donate his salary as POTUS to charity. When his tax returns were (eventually) published there was no sign of such there.
Has any charity written a thank you letter to him? Of course he could be a very modest, and quiet sort of a guy who ticked a “no publicity” box when he gave the money. :smiley:

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Didn’t Trump draw a Dollar as salary? That would be skinflint indeed, if that is how much he gave to said charity…

But it misses the point:
By not scrounging as much money out of that Government office as humany possible - Trump has set a new standard that a politician should be SELF Funded rather than be paid for by the public ■■■■■…

In this country - wouldn’t we think it nice and appropriate for billionaire Sunak to waive his own PM salary, and encourage other “Millionaire” members of the house ALL parties - to do likewise hmm?

Trump’s popularity among the Maga Population - is more about how much of their money he didn’t waste, how many of their service personnel he didn’t send to their deaths in new foreign wars, and how much of their taxes he didn’t waste on his own expenses…

It is a breath of fresh air, compared to the usual political class behaviour where incumbents simply line their pockets, disappear until the next election, face no pressure whatseover from a friendly media in behaving thus, and expect to sign away (via inflation) the public’s assets with impunity once the borrowed magic money tree withers and dies on the vine…

Western Policy to make pariahs out of the more autocratic states on this planet - has backfired enough now, that we all stand to be worse off than at any time since the 1930’s. THIS time though? - We cannot have another World War to “Get us out of it”…

We’re supposed to think that China are behind Covid, when in fact as Covid was a HOAX - all the West has done, is bear false witness against China, which they’ve since retaliated with by turning off the 1% interest taps for the forseeable future…

We’re supposed to think that Putin is 100% to blame for “Ukraine”, when in fact the UN being able to be Vetoed - is to blame for a “Peaceful” solution “not being found” to the Biolabs prescence in SouthWestern Ukraine (Multiple International Treaty Violations there…) forced Putin’s hand, and permitted Ukraine to be nothing but a Money Laundering outfit channeling that money back to politicans on-the-take-worldwide.

Are there any “Clean” politicians left? Those who simply WON’T take the bribes and the “Offers that cannot be refused”?

Boris Johnson going to Ukraine - scrubbed me off his “vote for” list, that’s for sure, plus all the other Tories that have been over to this place “not in ukraine” for “their cut” as well…
I say “not in ukraine” as do you really think any Western Leader would land in a war zone under air attack?
EIther the “Air Attack” wasn’t real - or the place the western leaders were visiting - wasn’t Kiev!

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JeffA:
His dad gave him 500 million

What’s the obsession with him inheriting family money, jealousy perhaps? Some sort of judgement of his character? What’s this got to do with his presidency?

I bet you don’t make the same comments about your fellow leftie Jeff Bezos, he got a $250k loan from his parents. Does that make him any less than an entrepreneur than those that didn’t get family money?

Most super successful entrepreneurs often raise a combination of funds through debt finance, investors and private equity. Does this no longer make them ‘self made’.

Do you realise that most wealth in the millions that is passed down to children is often squandered through excessive spending and also often results in them becoming drug addicts. That’s what happens when you give millions to kids who have no ambition. I guarantee if you, JeffA, inherited millions you would splash it all within a couple of years as I’m pretty sure you have no ambitions other than being a lorry driver.

Trump has managed to build and maintain a large enterprise in the world’s toughest business environment: New York. Yet he still remains a billionaire. Sure his net worth is lower now since he committed to becoming president, but that’s only because he switched his focus from business to politics.

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Marky-p:
Trump has managed to build and maintain a large enterprise in the world’s toughest business environment: New York.

He is currently under investigation for financial mismanagement in NY.

He is, as I explained in a previous post, as rich now as decades ago. He has financially built nothing.

Jeff Bezos…a leftie?
Depends on your point of view I guess.
He might be to the left of many other US millionaires etc, but given his views on trades unions? Not really a leftie is he.

Going from 1/4 mill to millions of millions is indeed (unlike Trump) building a business.

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Franglais:

Marky-p:
Trump has managed to build and maintain a large enterprise in the world’s toughest business environment: New York.

He is currently under investigation for financial mismanagement in NY.

He is, as I explained in a previous post, as rich now as decades ago. He has financially built nothing.

Jeff Bezos…a leftie?
Depends on your point of view I guess.
He might be to the left of many other US millionaires etc, but given his views on trades unions? Not really a leftie is he.

Going from 1/4 mill to millions of millions is indeed (unlike Trump) building a business.

Under investigation? Please. Its a political hit job because the Democrats are scared he might win again. Where were all these phoney investigations when he was conducting business years ago? Exactly. Just like the Russia hoax.

Quote from Jeff: “Anyone who doesn’t support BLM is a racist.” Nobody on the Right would say this.

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Marky-p:

Franglais:

Marky-p:
Trump has managed to build and maintain a large enterprise in the world’s toughest business environment: New York.

He is currently under investigation for financial mismanagement in NY.

He is, as I explained in a previous post, as rich now as decades ago. He has financially built nothing.

Jeff Bezos…a leftie?
Depends on your point of view I guess.
He might be to the left of many other US millionaires etc, but given his views on trades unions? Not really a leftie is he.

Going from 1/4 mill to millions of millions is indeed (unlike Trump) building a business.

Under investigation? Please. Its a political hit job because the Democrats are scared he might win again. Where were all these phoney investigations when he was conducting business years ago? Exactly. Just like the Russia hoax.

Quote from Jeff: “Anyone who doesn’t support BLM is a racist.” Nobody on the Right would say this.

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Trump and his father…washingtonpost.com/politics … -timeline/
The US system of justice is more politicised than the UK one, it is true. But the current trials are not the kangaroo courts of an extremist regime.

Bezos may have said some radical things about BLM, but one point on one issue is not a good way label someone. Given his opposition to Unions he is hardly a “leftie” IMHO.

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It doesn’t make any sense that the “Trump Haters” out there - simply cannot be sold to to even suggest an alternative…
Surely BOTH sides of politics - are equally dismayed and untrusting of ANY “mainstream” incumbent politician by this point?

Think back, lefties to the Trump era - wasn’t TV more entertaining, rather than actually “worrying”?
Did Trump do any of those things to you that you said he would, that would have been bad?
He didn’t even build his wall, nor put muslim flight-ban in place, don’t forget.

It might be time to re-measure what things we are ALL the more afraid of…

I started out being “Neutral” about Trump, like I was “Neutral” about Brexit.

I find Trump’s very profound machinations against mainstream media and politicians alike - have been not just “Entertaining” like we might have expected from a Reality TV Star - but might set the mould for “What’s Expected” of our future politicians for years to come…

Should another wealthy such “TV Star” like Operah for example - put their hat in the ring as a Democrat against Trump?
It would be hard to call who wins the election next year.
Mind you, Operah would have to pledge most of her own personal fortune to achieve such a win over Trump, and NOT rely on deep state donations to her “Election Campaign” to RAISE such funds.

Trump - didn’t draw the presidential salary, and expects his growing army of MAGA incumbents - to “not be wasters” neither.

What good (meanwhile) did the Democrats get out of all their people such as the “Sqaud”?
Drove away employers?
Raised taxes to very high levels?
Rigged elections not to “win”, but to just “Tread Water”…
Didn’t get anything done - let alone anything GOOD done…

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Franglais:

Marky-p:

Franglais:

Marky-p:
Trump has managed to build and maintain a large enterprise in the world’s toughest business environment: New York.

He is currently under investigation for financial mismanagement in NY.

He is, as I explained in a previous post, as rich now as decades ago. He has financially built nothing.

Jeff Bezos…a leftie?
Depends on your point of view I guess.
He might be to the left of many other US millionaires etc, but given his views on trades unions? Not really a leftie is he.

Going from 1/4 mill to millions of millions is indeed (unlike Trump) building a business.

Under investigation? Please. Its a political hit job because the Democrats are scared he might win again. Where were all these phoney investigations when he was conducting business years ago? Exactly. Just like the Russia hoax.

Quote from Jeff: “Anyone who doesn’t support BLM is a racist.” Nobody on the Right would say this.

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Trump and his father…washingtonpost.com/politics … -timeline/
The US system of justice is more politicised than the UK one, it is true. But the current trials are not the kangaroo courts of an extremist regime.

Bezos may have said some radical things about BLM, but one point on one issue is not a good way label someone. Given his opposition to Unions he is hardly a “leftie” IMHO.

I wouldn’t trust the washington post as far as I could throw them. Same for the New York Times etc.

Not the courts of an extremist regime? Biden has weaponised the IRS, DOJ, the FBI and god knows what other institutions against Trump. And now Biden is trying to pin something on Elon Musk because Musk doesn’t tow the party line. It’s pretty much an extremist regime if you ask me.

Bezo’s opposition to unions is not necessarily a rightwing thing. As a smart capitalist, he obviously knows that unions in general do not have the business’ best interests at heart, and in fact it’s the union demands at GM and Ford which will eventually cause their bankruptcies.

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Whoever said Unions were a Left-Wing thing?

I don’t recall any trade union getting any “splendid deals” after Labour got elected in 1997…

Indeed, the 2002 “Way Forward” done at RM where I was at during that time - was a complete sell-out which locked us OUT of any inflation-busting pay rises EVER.

We ended up with Night Duty Allowance being scrapped, then Double bubble went, then you had to do scheduled attendence to get 1.6x, and eventually overtime dropped all the way down to 1.15x by the time I left in 2010…

What was the “Upside” to all that?

a one-off 25% pay rise on the basic, if I recall…

9-5ers who never did docket - were the only ones who benefited from that deal.

Who was in power again?
Surely the CWU should have pushed for a deal similar to what MARKET FORCES did for our driver uplift two years back hmmm?
Oh, but that’s “Capitalist” and a Far Right concept eh, so not to be countenced by the permanent ■■■-paper political class under any circumstances…

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Winseer:
Whoever said Unions were a Left-Wing thing?

I don’t recall any trade union getting any “splendid deals” after Labour got elected in 1997…

Indeed, the 2002 “Way Forward” done at RM where I was at during that time - was a complete sell-out which locked us OUT of any inflation-busting pay rises EVER.

We ended up with Night Duty Allowance being scrapped, then Double bubble went, then you had to do scheduled attendence to get 1.6x, and eventually overtime dropped all the way down to 1.15x by the time I left in 2010…

What was the “Upside” to all that?

a one-off 25% pay rise on the basic, if I recall…

9-5ers who never did docket - were the only ones who benefited from that deal.

Who was in power again?
Surely the CWU should have pushed for a deal similar to what MARKET FORCES did for our driver uplift two years back hmmm?
Oh, but that’s “Capitalist” and a Far Right concept eh, so not to be countenced by the permanent ■■■-paper political class under any circumstances…

And don’t forget the unions acting for the train drivers and the NHS co-ordinating with each other to strike at similar times in order to cause the maximum amount of chaos to the poor public, of whom did not deserve to be affected and inconvenienced by this mess.

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Winseer:
I don’t recall any trade union getting any “splendid deals” after Labour got elected in 1997…

We`ll park that there for future reference.

Label it: “Winseer asserts that Labour is not controlled by the unions, and doesn`t give in to them”

Hmmm… long title?
Maybe
“Winseer contradicts his previous stance”

Still to long?
So:
Winseer, SNAFU.

Maybe a bit pointless saving it after all. Situation Normal…

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Marky-p:
I wouldn’t trust the washington post as far as I could throw them. Same for the New York Times etc.

Who does supply your USA info then?
Alex Jones? Russia Today?

Marky-p:
Not the courts of an extremist regime? Biden has weaponised the IRS, DOJ, the FBI and god knows what other institutions against Trump. And now Biden is trying to pin something on Elon Musk because Musk doesn’t tow the party line. It’s pretty much an extremist regime if you ask me.

If Biden is “extremist” in your view, then I get an impression of your judgment.

In 2 terms Obama appointed 320 Federal judges including 55 Appeal judges.
In 1 term Trump appointed 226 Federal judges including 54 Appeal judges.
Who looks like they were “weaponising” the judiciary?

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Marky-p:
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Not the courts of an extremist regime? Biden has weaponised the IRS, DOJ, the FBI and god knows what other institutions against Trump. And now Biden is trying to pin something on Elon Musk because Musk doesn’t tow the party line. It’s pretty much an extremist regime if you ask me.

Don’t be daft. “Weaponised the justice system”. You could “weaponise” the justice system against me and charge me with every crime you can think of. Then we’d go to court and the evidence would prove I’m innocent. It’s that simple. In Trumps case he’s as guilty as sin of everything he’s been charged with so the evidence proves he’s guilty. Have you seen the evidence against him? He’s absolutely 100% BANG TO RIGHTS. Even a blind man could see that.

Do you really think the ENTIRE court system, FBI and police will just do what someone tells them when there’s no evidence against Trump? I mean he’s on tape showing classified documents to random strangers saying “This is classified”. How much more bang to rights do you have to be? You were in the police - if you were presented with that evidence what would you think? (Don’t tell me - you’d think he’s innocent because you agree with his politics)