Long Departed Southampton Hauliers (Part 1)

Old Skool trucker, Buzzer

Buzzer:
Old Skool trucker, Buzzer

A very Smart looking Gentleman Now in a Collar & Tie, the Airport Run wouldn’t be very happy with that attire

MaggieD:

robthedog:
CFAT

Rob,

Looks like Sally at the wheel, the regular driver.

Regards
Richard

Richard
She could move some flour better than most, even if She did say herself “Her ■■■■ got in the way”!!!
She made a mean curry as well Dad bought & butchered her a goat and made us a Goat Curry.
Hope You & Angie are well, need to pop round before Christmas with an envelope foe Angie?
regards
Jeremy

Badger:

MaggieD:

robthedog:
CFAT

Rob,

Looks like Sally at the wheel, the regular driver.

Regards
Richard

Richard
She could move some flour better than most, even if She did say herself “Her ■■■■ got in the way”!!!
She made a mean curry as well Dad bought & butchered her a goat and made us a Goat Curry.
Hope You & Angie are well, need to pop round before Christmas with an envelope foe Angie?
regards
Jeremy

The appendages which “got in the way” were often referred to as Rainbows due to the colouring of the bruises

gerbil sb152:
Hi all i think there was some sort of tie up with Richards & Wallington crane hire as well. :sunglasses:

In 1962, Roy Richards & Ray Wallington started as building contractors in Birmingham. By 1964 thay had diversified into plant & crane hire

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R & W Plant Hire grew rapidly & in 1966 R & W purchased one of the first Mack R types in the UK in order to move heavier equipment


R & W’s crane & plant hire operations continued to grow exponentially-both organically & by acquisition

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By the late 70’s ,after buying Tarmac’s subsidiary Mobile Lifting Services, R & W’s Plant Hire Division becaame the British Crane Hire Corporation with eventually 40 depots in the UK & subsidiaries in Holland & France.
BCHC were,at one point,the largest crane hire company in Europe

At least Baker’s carrying a BCHC crane gives a Southampton Hauliers link!

and another one ,possibly at SWTD Totton ?

By the late 60’s/early 70’s it was clear that as R & W grew,it needed a specialist transport division

R.K.Crisp (Haulage)Ltd started in Catford ,South London in Jan 1963 & by 1970 was operating flats & low loaders They also did some continental work.
R & W acquired Crisps in Jan 1971, moved the operation to Birmingham & used it to not only cover & develop BCHCs in house transport requirements, but also to develop 3rd party business.
As Plant & Cranes grew in size & weight, so did the need to operate larger capacity vehicles

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Much of Crisp’s export traffic from the Midlands was routed via Southampton/Le Havre & a Southampton operation commenced at the BCHC depot in Millbrook.
.BCHC were UK agents for Potain -the large French manufacturer of Tower cranes & there was always a need to route flats & low loaders to Dept 42 (Loire). The Midlands -Soton-France link was helped by the volume of “in house” traffic but also with large volumes of 3rd party traffic ie Steel bar from Round Oak Steel Works , Brierley Hill.

roolechat:
R.K.Crisp (Haulage)Ltd started in Catford ,South London in Jan 1963 & by 1970 was operating flats & low loaders They also did some continental work.
R & W acquired Crisps in Jan 1971, moved the operation to Birmingham & used it to not only cover & develop BCHCs in house transport requirements, but also to develop 3rd party business.
As Plant & Cranes grew in size & weight, so did the need to operate larger capacity vehicles

Much of Crisp’s export traffic from the Midlands was routed via Southampton/Le Havre & a Southampton operation commenced at the BCHC depot in Millbrook.
.BCHC were UK agents for Potain -the large French manufacturer of Tower cranes & there was always a need to route flats & low loaders to Dept 42 (Loire). The Midlands -Soton-France link was helped by the volume of “in house” traffic but also with large volumes of 3rd party traffic ie Steel bar from Round Oak Steel Works , Brierley Hill.

Approx 25% of Crisp’s work was in house. Here, a pair of F12’s are transporting a BCHC crane to Europe

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SOM 690 S an F12 6 x 4 Plated at 118 T GVW seen carrying an NCK Andes


SOM Collecting part of a new crane at Southampton’s 201 depot. The F12 later saw service with Heanor Heavy Haulage

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The Southampton operation outgrew Millbrook & moved to Portswood Rd opp BRS Hampton Park depot. One of the main Southampton customers was Pirelli & at one point,8 Soton vehicles were engaged on that traffic. There are various photographs on the So’ton Hauliers site showing Crisp vehicles engaged on Pirelli traffic .So’ton depot also carried out a lot of regular continental traffic ie weekly Swiss groupage trailer ( ■■■■ Hamilton)

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Southampton depot operated a wide variety of equipment-flats,lowloaders etc & for continental traffic Crisp could arrange their own export & import clearances via their involvement in CSV (Crisp,Sayers & Vincent Ltd )
Southampton’s Big Js were eventually replaced by 10 Marathons This one is at 204 Berth Out of Gauge park, with a crane import, loaded ex vessel.


With such large volumes of traffic to/from France (& other countries) Crisp needed to develop a greater presence in France.

What should the collective noun be for a group of Crisp vehicles-a taste? a flavour? a crunch ? a packet ? a bag?

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2 of Crisp’s ubiquitous Big J’s in Eastern Dock awaiting shipment with ventilation equipment to France

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One Crisp and one ASR, Buzzer.

TONY MAPSON

Goodbye Tony…God bless… Gone, but never forgotten…Rest in peace.

Ray Smyth.

roolechat:
One of Seafast’s from Marchwood discovering that Romsey’s Greatbridge Rd railway bridge has seen it all before

That was last month. Yesterday it lured yet another victim !

roolechat:

roolechat:
One of Seafast’s from Marchwood discovering that Romsey’s Greatbridge Rd railway bridge has seen it all before

That was last month. Yesterday it lured yet another victim !
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Is there no longer a legal requirement to have a height indicator/reminder in the cab these days? Or can’t today’s drivers read properly?

In my long career I only once ‘hit’ anything overhead, cleared the arches at ST&P in Rotherham but fractured a steam pipe the other side, height unmarked.

And once ‘tested’ very gently the bridge at Tournus when carrying a container in a stripped down tilt. Gently because I had previously cleared it with the tilt. This time the twistlock kissed the bridge, still with an almighty clang, so I commenced the rather awkward reverse back up the slope to turn. :unamused: :slight_smile:

Spardo:

roolechat:

roolechat:
One of Seafast’s from Marchwood discovering that Romsey’s Greatbridge Rd railway bridge has seen it all before

That was last month. Yesterday it lured yet another victim !
0

Is there no longer a legal requirement to have a height indicator/reminder in the cab these days? Or can’t today’s drivers read properly?

In my long career I only once ‘hit’ anything overhead, cleared the arches at ST&P in Rotherham but fractured a steam pipe the other side, height unmarked.

And once ‘tested’ very gently the bridge at Tournus when carrying a container in a stripped down tilt. Gently because I had previously cleared it with the tilt. This time the twistlock kissed the bridge, still with an almighty clang, so I commenced the rather awkward reverse back up the slope to turn. :unamused: :slight_smile:

Yes it’s a legal requirement to have a height indicator in the cab and correctly set to the appropriate height, however the steering wheel attendants of today seem unable to read them probably because these imported clowns are used to 4 metres that’s if they’ve ever driven over there which I doubt

gazzer:
R.K. Crisp had a tie up with Centrale Routiere. I assume after they stopped doing French work, that mantle was taken up by LTS, they had a tie up with them IIRC.

Centrale Routiere’s origins date from the 1930s when Mr Leon Baudignot started out with a small vehicle.His son Gilbert joined him in 1941 & after the war,Tpts Baudignot slowly grew,specialising in the Le Havre-Paris region.At some point in the 1960’s it became Centrale Routiere S.A.


In May 1973,R & W’s French subsidiary FAL (Franco Anglaise de Levages S.A.) acquired the 10 vehicle fleet,which gave Crisp a French office & additional traction capacity.This enabled Crisp to continue developing their European presence.

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Under Crisp ownership,a number of s UK flats & tilts were registered by CR in Le Havre which enabled Crisp to claim a reciprocal French permit each time one was backloaded from the UK to France.

CR were an early French customer of Scania vehicles,initially with the bonneted 75 series & later with the LB76 & 110 models

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When the receivers were appointed to the R & W/BCHC group,the purchaser of the French FAL division wasn’t interested in CR
CR was acquired by LTS Freight Ltd in July 1981 who continued with CR’s domestic French traffic as well as adding additional traction work
CR was also busy loading 5-6 trlrs each day from the Lillebonne/Port Jeroe/Notre Dame de Gravenchon petrochemical complexes

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When the receivers were appointed to the R & W/BCHC group,the purchaser of the French FAL division wasn’t interested in CR
CR was acquired by LTS Freight Ltd in July 1981 who continued with CR’s domestic French traffic as well as adding additional traction work
CR was also busy loading 5-6 trlrs each day from the Lillebonne/Port Jeroe/Notre Dame de Gravenchon petrochemical complexes

I well remember in the early 80’s Angie and myself with 2 trucks empty shipping out from Southampton to Le Havre on a Sunday night, arriving in Le Havre next morning to meet the Centrale Routiere drivers, first stop would be Chantelle’s at The Ferry Boat for coffee,sometimes laced with cognac ! then of the 6 of us would go on the long distance run to Esso at Port Jerome, some 23 miles !! There we would report to the office and wait to go on the loading bay, by mid-day 3 of the trailers would be part loaded,as it was lunchtime one of the French drivers would drop his trailer, we would all pile into the Scania 110 and into Notre Dame de Gravenchon to the “Coupe d’Frein” routiers for lunch, which lasted till 2pm obviously.Then back to Esso to get loaded sometime in the apres midi, once loaded the 6 of us would head back to Le Havre the CR drivers to drop their trailers to go unaccompanied and Angie and I to ship back accompanied, tip next morning, and back again on the boat that night to repeat the operation, 6 night a week on the ferry.
Those French drivers certainly could not be rushed, and the lovely Edith in their office certainly didn’t push them !

Here is a couple of pics of one of the LB76’s which was brought back to Southampton,and sold to a chap in Stoke on Trent for preservation,I don’t know where it is now ?

Regards
Richard

MaggieD , i used to go to those petrochemical complexes that you mentioned , you could not get loaded or tipped without using their breathylizer machine to blow in at the check in office .
I did ask what happens if you have too much to drink and told that they park you up for 8 hours to sleep it off and the Gendarmarie would not get involved .
Back then , there were a lot of Turkish hauliers in the factories .
Best regards TC, ex owner driver for Freight Transfer , Euro PSL and Garnett Eurotrans , and those happy days of round trips to Portugal or Gibraltar , weekended on the beach at Cascais .
Remember no speed limiters , no mobile phones, trackers , and using fax machines for the 15 collections of tiles in Onda , no load strapping and those horrid step frame tilt trailers that took hours to strip down or build up again in the summer heat of 45 degrees or in the freezing cold , when the roof of the tilt turned to ice or puddles of water .
Driving bans based on the nationality of the truck , when some could head home and the others could not move , and those pesky red hat traffic police of the Basque country , my heart would beat when i saw them , hoping not to get pulled or tugged .
And their telephone number sized fines . :lol:

Hi All,

Just to stop us dropping off page one, may I take this opportunity to wish you all a Happy Christmas and a prosperous New Year.

Regards
Richard and Angie x

Hey there Richard …
did you have a night heater in the Maggie ? And I don’t mean Angie :laughing:

Will reply to your email later… loved the Our Monica joke!

By the way I don’t know what happened to John Canty but had a surprise last week when Dave Hewlett got in touch ( after 39 years ) , he was a subbie for Satransco , had a M.A.N. unit…
he’d been in contact with T.I.R. Tone who knew him from Solstor and Tone gave him my email… it was sent 6 weeks ago and went into Spam :unamused:

All the best , Balders.

CFAT

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Hi all,just watched the documentary called Spaghetti no junction about two third’s of the way through in the monkey house having dinner it looked like Tutty then a bit further on it looked like Paula Blyth from Sea Route.it probably wasn’t but did look like them.

Merry Christmas to all on here. :sunglasses: