Who is saying VOSA will pull you with a roped and sheeted load that is done properly and secure, yes it might not be totaly compliant wtih the rules but i would imagine they are more a guide
It doenst take a genious to figure out if a load is properly secured or not be it strapped or roped and sheeted
limeyphil:
we should go back to putting everything on flatbeds.
livestock included.
It’s gettin the sods to stay still while you rope em though Phil 
Wheel Nut:
I don’t think anyone much younger than me understands roping and sheeting. The ropes tighten the tarpaulin in much the same way the tensioners tighten a curtain, the tarpaulin covers the whole load which gives both weather protection and load security, the sheet ties hold the sheet on until it is tightened and if you rope over a fly sheet you will have men older than me kicking your arse.You have misunderstood the principles of roping by suggesting that if one rope breaks, the load is unsecured. It may be one coil of rope, but each hook is roped and tied off before continuing to the next. It is not just wound backwards and forwards.
The DFT guide to load security includes a section on ropes and sheets. they are an accepted method of load restraint when used on the right kind of load and in the right confitions. However I have seen sheet steel roped onto a flat bed with no sheet in sight - that aint any good is it?
The guidance issued to VOSA doesn’t mean they need a great understanding of how to load a vehicle to be able to enforce the rules. As an example.
Is the load against the head board?
Answer YES - OK so far
Answer NO - Is there some other means of restraining the load in a foward direction to 100% of the weight of the load?
Answer - YES - OK so far
Answer NO - check the score sheet to see what the punishment is
There isn’t much room for guess work or opinions - although that does come into it at some point.
What they are after (in my opinion) is curtain siders with no load restraint at all. These are the vehicles that ‘may’ lose the load through the curtains or may perhaps tip the vehicle over when the load shifts INSIDE the curtains
From what I often see out on the roads some of this enforcement is needed. VOSA have been biding their time, getting trained and working out how to tackle the problem. The campaign will be launched at the CV show next week. I for one will be going to check out their stand (as well as many others) and see what they have to say
Tautliner curtains need this on them to be even considered as load restraint
Unless they are purposely designed according to EN12642-XL, the curtains of curtain-sided vehicles MUST NOT be considered as part of any load restraint system.
If the curtains have been designed as a restraint system, the load capability should be clearly marked on the vehicle — if no mark can be seen, then it should be assumed that the curtain has NO load-bearing function.
Vosa will be checking strap specs too…
This is what they will be looking for…
webbing assemblies are manufactured to BS EN 12195 — 2:2001 (replaces BS 5759) and marked with a Rated Assembly Strength (RAS)
This is the benchmark they will be using
The combined strength of the load restraint system must be sufficient to:
withstand a force not less than the total weight of the load forward
And half the weight of the load backwards and sideways
This has all been published in their Load Safety publication.
Hope this helps
Trainer hat off 
Can’t believe the amount of you using curtains for load restraint and chuck rails to secure straps on to 
Repeat after me: CHASSIS
Pat
AHT:
Wheel Nut:
AHT:
The main problem i see with rope that is wound backward and forward over a load (like most i see) is that if it brakes in any part the entier load could be unsecured (depending on how the load is roaped) where as if you have two straps over evey pallet etc then even if one fails then the other one should just hold it for the remainder of the jurney, or till you can safly stop to rectify the problemI don’t think anyone much younger than me understands roping and sheeting. The ropes tighten the tarpaulin in much the same way the tensioners tighten a curtain, the tarpaulin covers the whole load which gives both weather protection and load security, the sheet ties hold the sheet on until it is tightened and if you rope over a fly sheet you will have men older than me kicking your arse.
You have misunderstood the principles of roping by suggesting that if one rope breaks, the load is unsecured. It may be one coil of rope, but each hook is roped and tied off before continuing to the next. It is not just wound backwards and forwards.
Sorry i will admit i have no experiance of propper roping and sheeting whitch i imagine is perfectly good for securing a load, I was refering to many loads that i see (normally bulk bags of animal food from a local company) where abit of cursery rope that looks like washing line is zigzagged backward and forward over a few of the bags and is only tied at the ends and would seem to provide nothing useful in the way of restraint
You have one loop on the end of your rope, put it on your first hook, then you chuck it over tie a dolly (or two) wrap around that hook a couple of times to stop it slackening off, then run the rope to the next hook, wrap it round then throw over, tie a dolly etc. Its one rope turned into lots of “straps”.
That old tatty looking rope people keep knocking is exactly what you want, easy to use and grips a treat.
Saaamon:
You have one loop on the end of your rope, put it on your first hook, then you chuck it over tie a dolly (or two) wrap around that hook a couple of times to stop it slackening off, then run the rope to the next hook, wrap it round then throw over, tie a dolly etc. Its one rope turned into lots of “straps”.That old tatty looking rope people keep knocking is exactly what you want, easy to use and grips a treat.
If its a full rope thats a fair lump to work with at the beginning and a lot to throw over. I was taught to just throw a loop over, enough to go over, along from one rope hook to the next and back over. Your “back over” is already there now.
Im still seeing alot of bulk bags on flats with no rope or straps on even now 
Alos saw a big step frame plant trailer the other week with several loose rachet chain binders scatterd along the length of the bed and a 4 foot piece of scaffold tube used to tighten them.
AHT:
Who is saying VOSA will pull you with a roped and sheeted load that is done properly and secure, yes it might not be totaly compliant wtih the rules but i would imagine they are more a guide
It doenst take a genious to figure out if a load is properly secured or not be it strapped or roped and sheeted
now you’re talking like someone in the real world.
you know it dosn’t work like this.
ze germans are by ze book, and ze book iz ze book of ze godz.
ze common senze iz not in ze book.
So is my easysheet a projectile restraint then?
Many moons ago when I worked for the BRS in Wrexham , we used to carry
tyres on flatbed trailors .
Used ropes on the sheets as the sheet was the only thing that kept the load on
the trailor .
I would like to see someone use straps on a load on tyres , would be very
interesting .
Pat Hasler:
Conor:
Use the chassis or the side rail. Are you seriously telling me you can’t work that out?This is common sense. Thats how straps have been used in the UK for years, you don’t need strap or harness points. Every straped load I ever pulled over there the straps were anchored to the chassis, you can also get far better tension by placing the rachet below the trailer bed so you can pull up on it, it makes the load far more secure
+1
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limeyphil:
we should go back to putting everything on flatbeds.
livestock included.
I used to carry pedigree petfoods on a flat. regularly tipped on the bay at Tesco’s chepstow, i don’t think elf,n,safety would let them do it now!
Saaamon:
Conor:
Use the chassis or the side rail. Are you seriously telling me you can’t work that out?Ahh thats classic isn’t it, so you thought you’d try and be clever and come back with alittle bit of attiude to make everyone think your an experienced truck driver who can think on his feet, judging from your reply i take it you’ve never had to worry about load restraint, more use to tippers, fridges etc?
Yes you can go off the chassis but the hook doesn’t sit on the edge properly and your rachet is subjected much more to the [zb] and crap from the road, so fine in the short term not in the long term.
Going off the side rail, i’d say thats an advert for cpc training.
In a fridge you’d use load retention bars so the load doesn’t move about. Every fridge driver would know that…
If companies continue to fail to provide corner boards you’ll see more & more of this type of damage:
On the flip side it will mean there are plenty of spagheti hoops on the cheap/damaged goods isle 
Driveroneuk:
If companies continue to fail to provide corner boards you’ll see more & more of this type of damage:0
Better that than this …
A lorry shed its load of baked beans across a motorway in Essex while taking “evasive action” to avoid a car, police said.
The southbound carriageway of the M11 was closed at about 15:00 BST after the accident between junctions six and seven near Epping.
Essex Police said the car crashed into a central reservation, leaving its driver with minor injuries.
Police said the beans were spread across all three lanes of the road.
A force spokesman said: "A car went into a central reservation.
“As a result of that, a lorry has taken evasive action and has jack-knifed and spilt its load of baked beans across all three lanes of the southbound carriageway.”
Tailbacks stretching back several miles built up in the area.
The lorry driver was unhurt, police said.
Suppose in this case Beans means Fines!
Frankydobo:
Suppose in this case Beans means Fines!
Driveroneuk:
If companies continue to fail to provide corner boards you’ll see more & more of this type of damage:0
Holy crap - A whole tin of spagetti gets ruined
Only joking mate - I do get your point 
Has anyone been done by the new enforcement by Vosa ?
At a drop today one of the drivers said his mate had been !
Altho he also said that another one had been done for his legs being down (£10 fine per wind, I took this with a pinch of salt) but have heard the individual strap is now being enforced !
Anyone keep me right ?
Most my straps have been killed over the years loading of our bays with forklifts going in the back .
IF this is true will it not cause chaos at RDC’s ■■?