If anyone does a daily check, walk around a Chipliner slowly and count the buckles, and then slowly count the buckles on a Tautliner.
No-one is going to individually strap 26 pallets of Walkers Crisps or Digestive Biscuits, but nor is anyone going to carry them under a tarpaulin either.
I will never strap to an aluminium side rave but I will strap to a steel crossmember or a chassis rail. That bit comes with common sense!
Wheel Nut:
If anyone does a daily check, walk around a Chipliner slowly and count the buckles, and then slowly count the buckles on a Tautliner.No-one is going to individually strap 26 pallets of Walkers Crisps or Digestive Biscuits, but nor is anyone going to carry them under a tarpaulin either.
I will never strap to an aluminium side rave but I will strap to a steel crossmember or a chassis rail. That bit comes with common sense!
Stop talking sense, you’ll ruin the thread.
guidance notes have been handed to vosa?
so they will learn all that needs to be learned in a couple of days, then when he gives you a fine, his voice is God?
take it to court and argue 20 odd years of experience over 2 days reading a book.
but only do that if your load isn’t all over the m6. 
Wheel Nut:
No-one is going to individually strap 26 pallets of Walkers Crisps or Digestive Biscuits, but nor is anyone going to carry them under a tarpaulin either.
You’ll have to now, its the law…
ashbyspannerman:
Saaamon:
AHT:
How can anyone think that ropes are better then chains or straps, they might have been ok 20 years ago and when trucks were limited to 20mph and drivers really knew how to use them and wernt afraid to spend the required amoount of time to secure them correctly, but things have moved onRopes are far superior than any ratchet strap, there also much easier and less time consuming to use than a ratchet strap.
20mph? years ago when we only had ropes and chains we didn’t have limiters either!
Brilliant lol.
Saaamon:
Wheel Nut:
No-one is going to individually strap 26 pallets of Walkers Crisps or Digestive Biscuits, but nor is anyone going to carry them under a tarpaulin either.You’ll have to now, its the law…
Small packages may easily and effectively be secured to the load pallets by
means of a stretch film. A stretch film is easy to apply and the desired rigidity
of form is achieved for the entire pallet load by using an appropriate number of
“wraps”.
With shrink film a plastic hood is placed over the wrapped pallet load, which is
then heated to make plastic shrink and therefore make the load more rigid.
The pallet can be considered as a stable load unit if the loaded pallet is able
to withstand a tilt angle of at least 26° without any significant deformation.
Shrink and Stretch film wrapping is not usually suitable for heavy pallet loads,
or loads with sharp corners that may damage the film.
That’s the lawyer in me!
Rikki-UK:
pavaroti:
I rely on the Friction and gravity all the time to hold 28 tonne no problem. Pretty rare i do use a strap but if i do it’s normaly for farm implements or plant.FTFY
Friction & gravity works for me. 
Wheel Nut:
Saaamon:
Wheel Nut:
No-one is going to individually strap 26 pallets of Walkers Crisps or Digestive Biscuits, but nor is anyone going to carry them under a tarpaulin either.You’ll have to now, its the law…
Small packages may easily and effectively be secured to the load pallets by
means of a stretch film. A stretch film is easy to apply and the desired rigidity
of form is achieved for the entire pallet load by using an appropriate number of
“wraps”.
With shrink film a plastic hood is placed over the wrapped pallet load, which is
then heated to make plastic shrink and therefore make the load more rigid.
The pallet can be considered as a stable load unit if the loaded pallet is able
to withstand a tilt angle of at least 26° without any significant deformation.
Shrink and Stretch film wrapping is not usually suitable for heavy pallet loads,
or loads with sharp corners that may damage the film.That’s the lawyer in me!
Normally gets one wind round and thats your lot.
Be some long waits at tesco while I take 13 ratchets of a full load of pallets,then strap them all again when they are refused for being damaged. Also going to need a lot of straps for bulk sawdust…
And I can imagine trying to argue with the loaders at Hexham when I try to rope the mdf down. ‘no sorry I don’t strap because a bloke on trucknet says that ratchet straps aren’t as good add this tatty old rope’
Pillock.
happysack:
And I can imagine trying to argue with the loaders at Hexham when I try to rope the mdf down. ‘no sorry I don’t strap because a bloke on trucknet says that ratchet straps aren’t as good add this tatty old rope’Pillock.
Real men use ropes 
Saaamon:
happysack:
And I can imagine trying to argue with the loaders at Hexham when I try to rope the mdf down. ‘no sorry I don’t strap because a bloke on trucknet says that ratchet straps aren’t as good add this tatty old rope’Pillock.
Real men use ropes
What do you use then?
There is one thing that will alter, that is the amount of work drivers will have to do, they will have to strap more loads and they will get paid to do it. So if Tesco are ■■■■■■ off, then let them be, its the drivers responsibility once on the road.
the problem that will occur between drivers, vosa, and the police, are exactly the same as the arguments that we see on this thread.
ropes can be more effective than straps for some loads, and it’s the same with chains.
but if the man in a high vis says my book says it must have x amount of straps, and you havn’t got x amount of straps, then he’ll probably issue a fine.
it won’t matter to him that you’ve been securing loads for the past 20+ years without incident. his half day course will take president. or that’s what he will believe.
when i move chipboard i use a mixture of straps, and ropes. it works a treat.
and if they said i’ve done it wrong, i would love to have a day in court about it.
i’ve been shown by old hands, and they have learnt a few things from me. this has taken years of experience, and keeping my gob shut, and my ears open.
Oops double post
I would have thought a couple of days corse is plenty to be able to determine if a load is adiquatly secured, not neccecerily being able to secure it and haveing a good knoledge of whats avalible, but i would think that it should be enough to allow them to look at a load and say wether its adiquatly secured or not a few straps isnt rocket science after all
If you look at a load and think its only JUST enough then maby you should be putting a few more straps on to give that extra bit of security
Just because there is a rule book doesnt mean that they cant apply common sence If you have to argue the toss then it probably isnt good enough
The main problem i see with rope that is wound backward and forward over a load (like most i see) is that if it brakes in any part the entier load could be unsecured (depending on how the load is roaped) where as if you have two straps over evey pallet etc then even if one fails then the other one should just hold it for the remainder of the jurney, or till you can safly stop to rectify the problem
AHT:
The main problem i see with rope that is wound backward and forward over a load (like most i see) is that if it brakes in any part the entier load could be unsecured (depending on how the load is roaped) where as if you have two straps over evey pallet etc then even if one fails then the other one should just hold it for the remainder of the jurney, or till you can safly stop to rectify the problem
I don’t think anyone much younger than me understands roping and sheeting. The ropes tighten the tarpaulin in much the same way the tensioners tighten a curtain, the tarpaulin covers the whole load which gives both weather protection and load security, the sheet ties hold the sheet on until it is tightened and if you rope over a fly sheet you will have men older than me kicking your arse.
You have misunderstood the principles of roping by suggesting that if one rope breaks, the load is unsecured. It may be one coil of rope, but each hook is roped and tied off before continuing to the next. It is not just wound backwards and forwards. 
Saaamon:
happysack:
And I can imagine trying to argue with the loaders at Hexham when I try to rope the mdf down. ‘no sorry I don’t strap because a bloke on trucknet says that ratchet straps aren’t as good add this tatty old rope’Pillock.
Real men use ropes
Nah real men use handcuffs and duck tape 
Wheel Nut:
AHT:
The main problem i see with rope that is wound backward and forward over a load (like most i see) is that if it brakes in any part the entier load could be unsecured (depending on how the load is roaped) where as if you have two straps over evey pallet etc then even if one fails then the other one should just hold it for the remainder of the jurney, or till you can safly stop to rectify the problemI don’t think anyone much younger than me understands roping and sheeting. The ropes tighten the tarpaulin in much the same way the tensioners tighten a curtain, the tarpaulin covers the whole load which gives both weather protection and load security, the sheet ties hold the sheet on until it is tightened and if you rope over a fly sheet you will have men older than me kicking your arse.
You have misunderstood the principles of roping by suggesting that if one rope breaks, the load is unsecured. It may be one coil of rope, but each hook is roped and tied off before continuing to the next. It is not just wound backwards and forwards.
Sorry i will admit i have no experiance of propper roping and sheeting whitch i imagine is perfectly good for securing a load, I was refering to many loads that i see (normally bulk bags of animal food from a local company) where abit of cursery rope that looks like washing line is zigzagged backward and forward over a few of the bags and is only tied at the ends and would seem to provide nothing useful in the way of restraint
i think you could be wasting your time wheel nut . judging by the posts on here most of them believe the euro propaganda rather than listen to men that have been there and done it . it needs someone with the bottle to challenge vosa to produce proof of the alleged dangers and not just theories and ifs and maybes .
we should go back to putting everything on flatbeds.
livestock included.