Load bearing curtain, 100 pound fine

scotstrucker:

damoq:
All this [zb] about strapping pallets, load bearing curtains etc makes me so glad I’m on fridges now. 2 load bars across the last pallets and job done.[emoji41]

i’m glad am on flat trailers now as i got strap everything even if i cant be arsed to.
remember if the trailer doesnt have these on them the en12642-xl stickers on the trailer then it probably not load bearing curtains

I’m glad I don’t give a ■■■■ anymore, if its on a flat it get strapped, in a curtain it gets strapped if I can be bothered. If that makes me a cowboy , so be it, ye ha pass me the spurs and the 20 litre hat :open_mouth: :wink: :wink: :laughing: :laughing:

After reading this post, some good info on load bearing xl curtains and the whole trailer being xl and what the full xl sticker says but no official line on what is and is not allowed with these curtains/trailers, could anyone help for our future piece of mind and fine dodging adventures…

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Trailers and vehicles built to the EN 12642 XL standard can withstand a minimum of 40% of the rated payload to the side - without extra load securing - when following the manufacturer’s guidance.

DVSA accept an EN 12642 XL rated vehicle/trailer keeping 50% of the rated payload to the side without any extra securing, as long as the load fills the entire load area to the front, rear and to within 80mm of the side. This is often called a ‘positive fit’.

It’s acceptable to fit lateral bulkheads or use packing material to fill any gaps in the load to guarantee positive fit when loading.

Using XL rated vehicles to transport diminishing or part loads isn’t ideal but it’s still possible as long as the following are met:-

any gaps created by a diminishing load are blocked keeping a positive fit
a partial load which doesn’t fill the load area has extra securing - this should be enough to meet the DfT rules: 50% to the side, rear and 100% to the front
For example, the use of rated lashing straps across the rear of the load must provide security for 50% of the entire load. This will secure the load in the same way as the rear of the vehicle would for a full load.

Or, the load should be secured as it would in a non-‘XL’ rated vehicle.

The EN 12642 XL standard refers to the entire vehicle or trailer and not just the curtains. So, reinforced curtains fitted to an ordinary trailer don’t meet the XL standard. There’s no such thing as an ‘XL curtain’.
XL-rated bodies have stickers in prominent positions - usually on the rear door or front bulkhead - to show they meet the standard.

The curtains of an XL-rated body also have to be built to EN 12641.

Stickers confirming this are usually found on the inside of the curtains at the rear of the body.

XL stickers should provide the following information:

confirmation that the body structure - not just the curtain sides - meets the EN 12642 XL standard
the name of the vehicle or trailer manufacturer
the year of manufacture
XL bodies are also given a certificate, specific to the vehicle tested, from the organisation responsible for testing vehicles and trailers to the standard.

The Vehicle Certification Agency does this in the UK.

There’s no need to carry this certificate with the vehicle or trailer. But you may find it useful to either provide a copy of the certificate or other documentation so they can be shown to enforcement authorities at the roadside.

Some vehicles are tested to a higher standard than EN 12642 so that they can carry larger or unusual loads. In these cases, DVSA expects you to be able to show the relevant certificate at the roadside.

gov.uk/government/publicati … r-guidance

Hope that helps

xichrisxi:
They’ve reported you…you won’t of heard the last of it,guarantee that.

I would put a good bet he has heard the last of it.

TheYoungTrucker:

xichrisxi:
They’ve reported you…you won’t of heard the last of it,guarantee that.

I would put a good bet he has heard the last of it.

he will have heard the last of it unless he has previous then he may a get a letter to go visit the power that be but a good chance he wont hear anymore. the firm he works for may get a visit when the dvsa see what the police have downloaded from his card

scottie0011:

scotstrucker:

damoq:
All this [zb] about strapping pallets, load bearing curtains etc makes me so glad I’m on fridges now. 2 load bars across the last pallets and job done.[emoji41]

i’m glad am on flat trailers now as i got strap everything even if i cant be arsed to.
remember if the trailer doesnt have these on them the en12642-xl stickers on the trailer then it probably not load bearing curtains

I’m glad I don’t give a [zb] anymore, if its on a flat it get strapped, in a curtain it gets strapped if I can be bothered. If that makes me a cowboy , so be it, ye ha pass me the spurs and the 20 litre hat :open_mouth: :wink: :wink: :laughing: :laughing:

have you ever gave a [zb] though lol

scotstrucker:
have you ever gave a [zb] though lol

I think I did once, then I went to work for our old boss then that all changed lol :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

ryan011284:
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Whats it like doing a 15hr shift for free just because you couldn’t be arsed to strap the load down?

Bet you didn’t think of it that way when you posted here trying to be clever did you?

ryan011284:
Today I got pulled by the police m1 Woolley edge services, random stop check driving hours and load safety. I’ve not got the cleanest driving card, to be honest it’s really bad. Took my card out and gave him he put in a small machine out of pocket, a few things came up, I thought ffs. After that on to load, open curtains I’ve put 2 straps across the back, full load arctic empty plastic paint tubs double stacked pallets. he said that’s not good is it, I didn’t know wat to say, I mentioned load bearing curtain and he wasn’t really having it, you could lift these pallets on your own, not heavy. After a discussion I used the internals while he sat in car, came back at the end and gave me a 100 pound fine for driving 5.30 hours without a break, he said I’m going to do you for your latest infringement, Wich there is a lot, less than 9 hours off and not enough breaks and driving for two long etc, am I lucky or what, I’ve already paid incase they change there mind

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It appears that the curtains , load bearing or not were not the issue here .

The £ 100 fine was for transgressions relating to driving hours & breaks .

scotstrucker:

TheYoungTrucker:

xichrisxi:
They’ve reported you…you won’t of heard the last of it,guarantee that.

I would put a good bet he has heard the last of it.

he will have heard the last of it unless he has previous then he may a get a letter to go visit the power that be but a good chance he wont hear anymore. the firm he works for may get a visit when the dvsa see what the police have downloaded from his card

Plus the other unfortunate drivers on his firm will have to suffer getting pulled more often, as usually when one knob gets caught doing something he shouldn’t, they usually purge the firm for a while…, and especially as it involves blatantly ignoring drivers hours regs.

its a ■■■■■■■■■■■■■ at the writing on the paperwork…everything is a well written carbon copy except for the ■■■■■■■■■ 94 which liooks like its been written by a ■■■■■■■ in the middle of electro shock therapy…however.seeing as we need a new dozy,it passes the time…load braring or not,then for those loads,id be 2 straps cross the back and pull the curtains…the chances of a tug are slim and i wouldnt be assed playing with straps for that load. :slight_smile:

dieseldog999:
its a ■■■■■■■■■■■■■ at the writing on the paperwork…everything is a well written carbon copy except for the ■■■■■■■■■ 94 which liooks like its been written by a ■■■■■■■ in the middle of electro shock therapy…however.seeing as we need a new dozy,it passes the time…load braring or not,then for those loads,id be 2 straps cross the back and pull the curtains…the chances of a tug are slim and i wouldnt be assed playing with straps for that load. :slight_smile:

thats how a rozzer writes though lol

TheYoungTrucker:

xichrisxi:
They’ve reported you…you won’t of heard the last of it,guarantee that.

I would put a good bet he has heard the last of it.

cheers mate, hope so

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Conor:

ryan011284:
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Whats it like doing a 15hr shift for free just because you couldn’t be arsed to strap the load down?

Bet you didn’t think of it that way when you posted here trying to be clever did you?

to be honest, I’ve made some good money over the years, so 100 pound isn’t that bad is it. Its peanuts really

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scotstrucker:

TheYoungTrucker:

xichrisxi:
They’ve reported you…you won’t of heard the last of it,guarantee that.

I would put a good bet he has heard the last of it.

he will have heard the last of it unless he has previous then he may a get a letter to go visit the power that be but a good chance he wont hear anymore. the firm he works for may get a visit when the dvsa see what the police have downloaded from his card

i got 100 pound fine aswell about 4 years ago for no paper in tacho machine, in derby near farmers market, got pulled in there, a deaf women vosa

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robroy:

ryan011284:

Butcher:

robroy:
Btw, Not entirely convinced that you aint taking the ■■■■ on this post. :bulb:

  • One!

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So why did you drive 5 and half hours then mate?

it was Saturday morning running in, 2 miles from yard and traffic, not stoping for 45 there, no way,

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discoman:
Well, the driver deserves to lose his licence idiot.

Calm down a bit, I’ve bills kids etc to pay for. Anyway tell us a story about when you drove to Russia and the mafia wanted running money and the snow was that bad that you couldn’t get back chritmas

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ryan011284:
to be honest, I’ve made some good money over the years, so 100 pound isn’t that bad is it. Its peanuts really

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ryan011284:
Calm down a bit, I’ve bills kids etc to pay for. Anyway tell us a story about when you drove to Russia and the mafia wanted running money and the snow was that bad that you couldn’t get back chritmas

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If you can’t remember what you’ve already posted, you’ve no career prospects as an Internet troll.

ryan011284:
it was Saturday morning running in, 2 miles from yard and traffic, not stoping for 45 there, no way,

So when was the 4 and a half up then, 2 miles away?
… and then it took you an hour in traffic to get back or what ?

Ok fair enough, on a Saturday morning I would probably blag up to 5 mins or so over to get back, and then do a printout to explain traffic etc, but I still say an hour over is taking the ■■■■ tbh mate.
Reckon your firm will be getting a courtesy call from VOSA.

robroy:

ryan011284:
it was Saturday morning running in, 2 miles from yard and traffic, not stoping for 45 there, no way,

So when was the 4 and a half up then, 2 miles away?
… and then it took you an hour in traffic to get back or what ?

Ok fair enough, on a Saturday morning I would probably blag up to 5 mins or so over to get back, and then do a printout to explain traffic etc, but I still say an hour over is taking the ■■■■ tbh mate.
Reckon your firm will be getting a courtesy call from VOSA.

Dozy in disguise?

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