I’ve just looked at my licence codes on the back of my driving licence and noticed something I don’t understand.
79 (3) - restricted to tricycles That one is just fine!
But I don’t get why I have these others…
101 - not for hire or reward (that is, not to make a profit) I already have a full cat D+E , so surely this code shouldn’t be on here?
107 - not more than 8,250 kilograms I already have a full cat C+E , so surely this code shouldn’t be on here?
119 - weight limit for vehicle does not apply So why have this code at all then!!?
118 - start date is for earliest entitlement Isn’t that the same as all categories, so it’s stating the bleedin’ obvious?
The CE and DE both expire in 04/21.
The 101, 107, and 119 codes apply to classes that will run until 2036.
So you can keep driving C1E and D1 on that license, (with restrictions) even if you don`t renew it later.
Firstly, you are asking “why” and DVLA in the same sentence. Many have started that quest, non have finished it to my knowledge. There sre rumours Telegraph from the new users forum might gave gotten close, but then he disappeared mysteriously.
Secondly, I’ve got similar as those are grandfather rights settings, but are superceded by the aquired rights so nothing to worry about.
In otherwords, the bits you paid for override those restrictions. If you dropped any of those aquired rights, then you get to keep the other bits.
Franglais:
The CE and DE both expire in 04/21.
The 101, 107, and 119 codes apply to classes that will run until 2036.
So you can keep driving C1E and D1 on that license, (with restrictions) even if you don`t renew it later.
Ah, yeah, my photo needs updating. So I need to renew by next April. (Not that I’ve changed at all in 10 years! )
I can totally understand that if it’s correct, but surely they would state something like “These codes only apply if your higher categories have expired?” Because without that statement, it just looks as though those codes apply to those categories all the time!
trevHCS:
Firstly, you are asking “why” and DVLA in the same sentence. Many have started that quest, non have finished it to my knowledge. There sre rumours Telegraph from the new users forum might gave gotten close, but then he disappeared mysteriously.
trevHCS:
Secondly, I’ve got similar as those are grandfather rights settings, but are superceded by the aquired rights so nothing to worry about.
So, you would think they would remove them from the printed card and only put them back on if my higher categories expired, wouldn’t ya?
trevHCS:
In otherwords, the bits you paid for override those restrictions. If you dropped any of those aquired rights, then you get to keep the other bits.
Franglais:
The CE and DE both expire in 04/21.
The 101, 107, and 119 codes apply to classes that will run until 2036.
So you can keep driving C1E and D1 on that license, (with restrictions) even if you don`t renew it later.
Ah, yeah, my photo needs updating. So I need to renew by next April. (Not that I’ve changed at all in 10 years! )
I can totally understand that if it’s correct, but surely they would state something like “These codes only apply if your higher categories have expired?” Because without that statement, it just looks as though those codes apply to those categories all the time!
And make that another code to print on the licence? 126?
You want more ink on there?
LJA:
trevHCS wrote:
Secondly, I’ve got similar as those are grandfather rights settings, but are superceded by the aquired rights so nothing to worry about."
So, you would think they would remove them from the printed card and only put them back on if my higher categories expired, wouldn’t ya?
That would mean you having to actively do something.
As it is you retain your 1 rights without any effort, even if your other rights expire.
Looks easier for you.
Franglais:
That would mean you having to actively do something.
As it is you retain your 1 rights without any effort, even if your other rights expire…
That’s what I thought, but I think it was ROG in new drivers forum once said, if you let it lapse by not having a medical, then some of your grandfather rights lapse too.
For example, if you don’t do the medical, you’re C1 lapses too. To get it back, you have to either do a medical or tell them to remove your C entitlement at which point your standard licence returns.
101 - not for hire or reward (that is, not to make a profit) I already have a full cat D+E , so surely this code shouldn’t be on here?
DVLA has previously said your full D entitlement “trumps” the 101, so not to worry
107 - not more than 8,250 kilograms I already have a full cat C+E , so surely this code shouldn’t be on here?
I’m betting you have a pre-1997 car licence, mine is the same even though I have C+E, it’s a hangover from the acquired rights transfer process
119 - weight limit for vehicle does not apply So why have this code at all then!!?
Aye, another odd one, basically it means for D1E you can be up to 12T
118 - start date is for earliest entitlement Isn’t that the same as all categories, so it’s stating the bleedin’ obvious?
There’s probably someone somewhere that doesn’t apply to, but yes, another daft one.
There’s a load of other odd things driving licences, too much to mention here, lots and lots of security features, that’s why I have to laugh when successive governments bang on about id cards
Franglais:
That would mean you having to actively do something.
As it is you retain your 1 rights without any effort, even if your other rights expire…
That’s what I thought, but I think it was ROG in new drivers forum once said, if you let it lapse by not having a medical, then some of your grandfather rights lapse too.
For example, if you don’t do the medical, you’re C1 lapses too. To get it back, you have to either do a medical or tell them to remove your C entitlement at which point your standard licence returns.
But surely all drivers licence details are on a massive database which would be referenced by anyone wanting to check you out anyway (Police etc), so once you gain a higher category, all lower ones and restrictions should be removed and once the expiry date is reached the driver has a choice to renew or request a new one without those higher categories? (Basically giving him/her a new licence exactly the same as it was before the upgrade).
Those with pre 97 licences often have 2 categories the same which run at the same time
The one without a restriction code takes preference
Those in C & D categories which were gained by passing a test are subject to a D4 medical
Those gained for free with a pre 97 licence do not need a D4 medical until age 70
ROG:
Those with pre 97 licences often have 2 categories the same which run at the same time
The one without a restriction code takes preference
Those in C & D categories which were gained by passing a test are subject to a D4 medical
Those gained for free with a pre 97 licence do not need a D4 medical until age 70
Does that help
Yeah, but I still don’t get why they don’t simply remove them after an upgrade
I’ve just looked at my licence codes on the back of my driving licence and noticed something I don’t understand.
79 (3) - restricted to tricycles That one is just fine!
But I don’t get why I have these others…
101 - not for hire or reward (that is, not to make a profit) I already have a full cat D+E , so surely this code shouldn’t be on here?
107 - not more than 8,250 kilograms I already have a full cat C+E , so surely this code shouldn’t be on here?
119 - weight limit for vehicle does not apply So why have this code at all then!!?
118 - start date is for earliest entitlement Isn’t that the same as all categories, so it’s stating the bleedin’ obvious?
Anyone else got the same?
Cheers
Got the same de and ce supersede d1e and c1e and 101’s and the earlier end date is for age reasons eg medical to keep license
ROG:
Those with pre 97 licences often have 2 categories the same which run at the same time
The one without a restriction code takes preference
Those in C & D categories which were gained by passing a test are subject to a D4 medical
Those gained for free with a pre 97 licence do not need a D4 medical until age 70
Does that help
Yeah, but I still don’t get why they don’t simply remove them after an upgrade
Because they are separate with different expiry dates
trevHCS at No3 sums it up beautifully -don’t use the phrase DVSA in the same sentence or conversation as sensible or commonsense.
Some of the codes are historical from the transition from the old HGV to the new LGV and some how the system (insert DVLA) has not caught up even though the transitions were made more than a generation ago!
While we’re on this topic, it seems to me the DVLA database is not what it’s cracked up to be, not only do they not iron out all the wrinkles we’ve discussed here, but what’s worse they claim that they don’t records of your HGV entitlements, and if (as has happened many times to many drivers I’ve spoken with) they send your licence back with your entitlements missing , they say it is up to you to prove you ever had them in the first place. Outrageous beyond all belief!
So… always make a scan/photocopy/take a photo of the front and back of your licence before you send it off to anyone.
ROG:
Those with pre 97 licences often have 2 categories the same which run at the same time
The one without a restriction code takes preference
Those in C & D categories which were gained by passing a test are subject to a D4 medical
Those gained for free with a pre 97 licence do not need a D4 medical until age 70
Does that help
Yeah, but I still don’t get why they don’t simply remove them after an upgrade
Simple reason being that if you were to carry on driving buses and/or lorries after April next year (without renewing your higher entitlements), those restrictions would apply even though you would still be using the same photocard licence. If they didn’t leave them on there, how would you know (come May next year) that you still had the C1/C1+E/D1/D1+E entitlements and accompanying restrictions?
That one is just fine!
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