From January 2013 all lorry drivers, regardless of their age, will need to renew their LGV licences every five years.
looks like another way of getting more money off us.
What do you mean renew ■■ A photo card update ?
gazza1970:
From January 2013 all lorry drivers, regardless of their age, will need to renew their LGV licences every five years.
looks like another way of getting more money off us.
Are they introducing a charge along with this because five yearly renewals for medicals are currently free.
Is he not referring to the 35 hours of DCPC required every 5 years?
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commercialmotor.com/latest-n … five-years
and the Gov Website
direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Dr … /DG_201207
Self certify that you meet current medical rules, no actual medical till 45 still.
Thats it, give the youngsters even more incentive to join the indutry 
Won`t be long before we have to defacte in a suitable plastic container and have it analysed and weighed each week.
I wonder how many trees this will destroy
And someone will need to be paid to operate this system, so a fee or an increase in other areas will follow 
I so despise the Govts. EU Wallahs etc…
Just spoke to dvla, they don’t know about it yet but assume there will be a charge
In fairness when I was on the taxis I had to renew my badge every three years. That was including a crb check, full hgv medical and thirty quid for the council to shuffle the papers.
You young wipper snappers don’t know you’re born 
when I first started driving it had to be renewed every three years 
bowser:
You young wipper snappers don’t know you’re born
There was a Benefit to that system though!
by the looks of the direct gov website this only applies to new drivers passing their test After 19th january 2013. a hgv license only lasting 5 years. so how will that work? just taking a retest every 5 years? or will the 5 sessions of cpc training entitle those new drivers another 5 years hgv? looks like it will be 5 sessions of cpc and a retest. it`s gonna get very confusing as neither commercial motor or direct gov sites explain this?
affects everyone, not just new licence holders, self certification of health if under 45 every five years, the five yearly system will catch up with you when you next renew your photocard.
yet you can give a 17 year old a set of keys to a vehicle that could do well over 150mph with no questions asked…
gazza1970:
From January 2013 all lorry drivers, regardless of their age, will need to renew their LGV licences every five years.
looks like another way of getting more money off us.
On the bright side we’ll be getting microchips in our driving licences and we won’t need a ‘driver card’ or ‘digitach card’ might save us a few bob !!
http://register.consilium.europa.eu/pdf/en/12/st06/st06130.en12.pdf
Mike-C:
gazza1970:
From January 2013 all lorry drivers, regardless of their age, will need to renew their LGV licences every five years.
looks like another way of getting more money off us.On the bright side we’ll be getting microchips in our driving licences and we won’t need a ‘driver card’ or ‘digitach card’ might save us a few bob !!
http://register.consilium.europa.eu/pdf/en/12/st06/st06130.en12.pdf
Maybe that is why it’ll be 5 yearly.
Mike-C:
On the bright side we’ll be getting microchips in our driving licences and we won’t need a ‘driver card’ or ‘digitach card’ might save us a few bob !!
http://register.consilium.europa.eu/pdf/en/12/st06/st06130.en12.pdf
That’s where we will likely be in 5-6 years’ time - which is how long it will take that proposal to go through the various legislative stages to implementation. However, it makes a great deal of sense to merge the driver card and driving licence. The chip in such a converged driving card is likely to hold the driving licence fields as well as the tachograph fields, making it harder to forge driving licences with vocational entitlement.
It is already possible to show DCPC status on the driving licence - the “95 ■■.■■.■■” (where ■■.■■.■■ is the expiry date) can by put on the driving licence after the relevant vocational categories, as happens in most other EU countries. The UK has opted to issue separate DQCs at present, presumably because the relevant administrative processes are separate from those relating to driving licences.
Eventually, I expect the UK will merge the relevant processes and show DCPC status on the driving licence. This will allow for a single card.
Another great idea (he says, seeing a flying pig passing his window) would be for the UK to get rid of paper counterparts, and get the counterpart data onto the licence card, possibly in the chip in a way that can be read by employers and other relevant parties. For most drivers, this A4 sheet of paper shows a few unused provisional entitlements and a short or non-existent endorsement history that would fit onto a much smaller document.
A lot of drivers don’t carry their counterpart, which means, in law, that they’re not carrying their licence. The counterpart system is also open to fraud, either by reporting a licence lost before submitting it for points to be added allowing the driver illegally to retain a counterpart showing a lower number of points, or simply by the production of a fake counterpart. I was recently in a hire depot picking up a van, and the operator there complained about the number of UKÂ photocard licences he had to refuse because the driver wasn’t carrying their counterpart or produced a counterpart that didn’t match an electronic check of endorsement status.
It would also make sense to show CBT status for motorbikes and mopeds on the driving licence, though I realise this causes problems in that a single CBT pass can have two expiry dates. Those who have passed their car test after 1 February 2001 acquired moped entitlement subject to CBT - they only have to take motorbike or moped CBT once to validate their moped entitlement, but have to retain the CBT certificate indefinitely to validate that moped entitlement. Meanwhile, the same CBT certificate will only validate provisional category A to ride motorbikes on the road for two years - in which time they either have to pass all elements of the motorbike test (bike theory, off-road and on road practical tests) or take CBT again.
CBT certificates are issued by the CBT providers, not the DVLA or DSA - but if the authorities can hold records of DCPC hours and MOT test history online, why not CBT status? How many drivers making use of their moped entitlement can necessarily find a CBT certificate issued a decade or more ago from a training organisation that is no longer in business?
It would be wonderful if all this data (full driving entitlements, provisional entitlements, DCPC status, CBT status, penalty points, short period disqualifications and digital tachograph driver card) could be converged onto a single plastic card with a chip - but this would increase the opportunities for foul-ups. It can be hard enough to get DVLA to issue a licence showing the driver’s correct full entitlements, as those who have had categories disappear or not be granted following test passes will confirm. DVLA have also been know to issue licences showing categories the driver has never passed the relevant tests for!
One DVLA favourite is a failure to grant D+E to those who have passed C+E and D tests. Another favourite is failing to remove the 78 (automatic only) restriction from B and/or D entitlements after passing a C test in a manual lorry. These errors should not happen, as the issuing process should automatically handle them based on the driver’s test pass history.
djw is on the right track but I don’t think he goes quite far enough: my understanding is that they are going to skip all of the above in favour of implanting a chip under the skin of every driver when they pass their test.
Extra entitlements, endorsements, and all the rest will be handled through the mobile phone system so that they will always be current and up-to-date. In practice there would be no need for card readers in tachographs, since the machine will automatically detect the presence of the driver. It would be easy to make it impossible for the driver to start the truck unless he has the correct entitlement on his licence and has taken his proper breaks.
Coffeeholic:
gazza1970:
From January 2013 all lorry drivers, regardless of their age, will need to renew their LGV licences every five years.
looks like another way of getting more money off us.Are they introducing a charge along with this because five yearly renewals for medicals are currently free.
I would like to correct you ,5 yearly medicals are not free,the cheapest i’ve found is £30,but the going rate from most of the local GPs is around the £150 mark.
Means they are free from the dvla ,i,e no licence fee , not the medical fee