LGV/HGV training BROKERS (middlemen)

Steve

I really want to believe all you say.

I don’t even have an inbuilt hatred of brokers - - but I thoroughly detest all dishonest people. Given that it seemed you were a broker (and possibly linked with a failed one) it seemed reasonable to be suspicious. I can see that you understand this. If what you say is true then the suspicion is absolutely unfounded.

I’ll join the “time will tell” gang!

In the meantime, giving you the benefit of the doubt (which I sincerely want to do) I wish you all the very best with your venture provided it is operated as you state.

Regards, Pete Smythe :laughing: :laughing:

Steve Manning & James Swift - the owners of networkhgv.co.uk

Both worked for Clearstone…bankrupt

Both worked for Pathway…bankrupt

Now both work for ‘not a broker’ NetworkHGV…

Check out the site that Steve ‘changed’: £30k pa jobs! Work anywhere you want! Work whenever you want! Or better still, call the number, pretend to be an interested party and listen to what is said, especially about the earnings you can make as a driver.

I’d like to believe Mr Manning when he says he is ‘changing’ the industry. I’d also like to believe him when he says he is changing the webiste. But so far nothing has changed.

(all the information above is 100% correct and can be proved)

Simon B

Correct on both counts.

Both myself and James worked for Clearstone and then Pathway and we do both regret it, they were bad companies to work for and thats why we made our decisons to leave them!!

What you must ask yourself is this: What does this prove, does it prove that myself or James knowingly took money from customers with the foresight that the company was going to go under or does it prove that we both worked for companies that made big mistakes and we know they were big mistakes. If you worked with the both of us at these companies then you would know that we didn’t agree with what went on and made our voices heard. When Clearstone went under I had only been working there for 3 months so if that warrants me as being a contributor to them going under then you must make up your own mind.

As for working at Pathway, I have already stated what happened there.

I can understand that a select number people aren’t going to be happy that we have set up our own training school, this is due to them being ignorant to the fact of who we are, anyone can write stuff about someone, but how much of it is really truth, but why shouldn’t we have set up our own company, we saw the way that it was handled incorrectly and we didn’t like it, we are as passionate about this industry as any of you are and have worked for some companies who have hurt the industry, we could have just walked away without a care in the world but that isn’t either of us. We want to be a part of the revitalisation of the industry, we know it wont be easy but it can be done if like minded individuals work together and advise each other as opposed to just jumping on a bandwagon of condemnation. When Network began we were contacted by Trading Standards about our involvement with our previous companies and they investigated us and were happy that we weren’t any part of what went before.

As for the website I have stated that it will be changed, I realise it doesn’t reflect what is realistic about the industry but I only stated this yesterday. Give us a bit of time to get it changed - I am working on it. If all you want to do now is to condemn us for who we worked for in the past then you are well within your rights to do so, but in doing this, if you are trying to prove that we are running a company that will repeat the unethical actions of our past employers then you couldn’t be further from the truth. Join the time will tell gang and you will see that in years to come after we have achieved and maintained what we have set out to do, that your initial judgement of us was misguided, that’s not to say I can’t see why, put us under scrutiny if you must, you will see that we are trying to set a record straight that we didn’t set wrong in the first place. How frustrating must that be? You may reply how frustrated the customer who lost his / her money may be and I do sympathise with them but as we wasn’t the people who took the companies under then why should we have to justify us running our own company because of others past mistakes, you must understand that we love this industry that we have chosen as our careers and want to enhance it not harm it.

Don’t be so quick to judge me and James as people just because we were associated and by associated I mean worked for these companies. I.e Employed - Not Owned.

If you are reading this thread then ask your yourself, should an employee of a company be held accountable for a companies actions when they aren’t a shareholder, director or affiliate of the company. For the record both Clearstone and Pathway both owed James a lot of money by the time he left, I was a bit more fortunate and had left both companies before anything happened as I didn’t agree with the ethics of the company. You can judge us on how we run Network HGV and that is all.

As for your statement that you can prove 100% of what you have stated. Please post on here a link or anything that documents myself or James Swift as being anything other than employees of these companies.

For the record, a third party designed the website and we will admit that we got it wrong. I assure you that this will change as soon as is possible.

I designed the Facebook page, in which the content is edited by me and me alone, have a look here:
facebook.com/pages/Network-H … 2384777390

I have edited it to help the driver with as much impartial advice as is possible.

I now feel I have answered as many questions about who Network HGV are, who the directors and what we are trying to achieve.

This I feel is more than enough information for anyone who has questions about us. That being said I am always more than happy to answer or assist anyone of you with any further enquires that you have about our driver training.

Regards

Steve Manning
Network HGV

Well, well well it’s just 03.47 and I’ve been on my early wander round the various forums I use.

I found a thread brought back to life from JULY 2004 about HGV Licences and this was on a CAR forum.

The Poster was a new sign on since 03.19 this morning and had posted a link to…

Network HGV website

This is classed as spam on Trucknet, the PDA and also on any other forum you can think of.

How can a company purporting to be reputable, be so desperate or stoop so low to get business?

Pat

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Looks like quite a few more brokers have set themselves up in the guise of “deliverers of HGV Training”!

hgvexpress.co.uk/view/home.php

expresshgv.com/

lgvacademy.com/

I have also seen one called globalHGV

Will this merry go round never end?

Mr Manning, Simon does have a valid point. You were so enthused in your last post about championing all that is good about our industry and not misleading potential students I would have thought you would have put words into action by now and changed the look and theme of your site.

And another ‘not a broker’ training company.

http://www.highwayhgvtraining.co.uk/

hhhhmmm! Still not a word??
How very strange!

SimonB:
Changed you website yet Steve?

Or is everything you’ve said a lie?

networkhgv.co.uk/

Still says exactly what it said last month, before you made all your promises!

Si

Hope you like the new website

www.networkdrivertraining.co.uk

hgvlgvtraining:
hhhhmmm! Still not a word??
How very strange!

www.networkdrivertraining.co.uk

Steven Manning:

hgvlgvtraining:
hhhhmmm! Still not a word??
How very strange!

networkdrivertraining.co.uk

Hi Steven,

IMHO, that’s a much better looking site and I’d like to say fair play to you for that. :smiley:
Wouldn’t it be an idea to distance yourself and your company from any other ‘broker’ type sites, such as the one in your previous posts, in case anybody wrongly confuses you with a broker?

:bulb: That’s just a thought in case there are any cynical folks out there who might think that you’ve left the other site(s) running for a reason.

Hello Mr Manning.

Just had a look at that and then came here and saw you posted.
Fair play to you…
however…just a couple of q’s.

I see the website that we were discussing initially…the one you came on here to “big up” has not changed at all. So you now have 2 websites when you gave us the impression it was the original one that was changing. Is that not being even more deceitful?

So you kinda get both bites of the cherry?

You are still acting as a Broker though, right. There is no link from your old to your new website either. Why is that? Will your new site also feature in the sponsored listings? Did you set up the new site to appease us all on here? Will you declare on your original website that you have one training location and you brokers for the rest of the UK?

I know…there is no pleasing some people…and as said before…fair play to you for creating a NEW WEBSITE.

But Double D and I obviously thought the same thing…why keep the old one■■?

It would be a great opportunity to distance yourself from the other Brokers and silence the critics for once and for all.

Kindest regards

hgvlgvtraining

Glad you like the new site.

Network Driver Training will serve as our own training school.
Network HGV will continue to act in its current service.

Having a bite of the two aforementioned cherries seems like good business sense, especially when the service offered, provided and then followed up is a service that is second to none.

The main focus point for us here at Network is the quality of driving our trainees receive.
We have had positive feedback from 90% of our customers. As the saying goes you can’t please everyone.

Network Driver Training is just the next step in Network Logistics Training Ltd’s Evolution.

Kind Regards,

Steve Manning

Steven Manning:
Having a bite of the two aforementioned cherries seems like good business sense, especially when the service offered, provided and then followed up is a service that is second to none.

Hi Steven,

It might seem like good business sense in one way, but doesn’t it still leave you appearing to be a ‘broker’ or at least having connections to a broker?

I can’t speak for what your own independent training company claims as a success/satisfaction rate, but would you be prepared to discuss the same feedback figures for your national ‘brokering’ operation, especially if candidates find out that they could have got the same service locally at a cheaper price? How proud are you of your overall feedback for your whole operation?

IMHO, it’s all very well to pass a client to another training school if the client lives a great distance from your own training school, or maybe even to ask for a finder’s fee from another training school for the referral, but IMHO it’s quite a different matter to try and justify an extra charge to a private customer for nothing that a reasonable person might see as quantifiable.

How do you justify any extra charge to a customer?
What benefit does a customer actually get for having parted with any extra money over and above the standard fees charged by the training school where you placed them?

Just so there’s no possibility of a misunderstanding, I’d like to make it very clear that I’m NOT suggesting any illegality on your part whatsoever.
I’m ONLY wondering about any thoughts of fairness or moral integrity regarding ‘brokering’ that you might be harbouring, and I’m fairly sure that the folks on here might welcome any answers you care to give.

Mr Manning,

I didn’t actually say I liked the website. I said fair play for creating a new one.

The point I think a lot of us are trying to make is this. What actual benefit do you bring to OUR industry?
What added value can you provide that people actually want to pay a premium for? Everything you offer the local provider already provides.
What advice or experience can you pass on to any wannebe trucker? I am guessing you have never worked for a “proper training company” as you mention your previous experience was working with Pathway and another Broker (forgive me but I seem to have forgotten.) Have you yourself gone through the licence acquisition process, have you ever done a days work driving a truck?

Let me put it another way. If you were a new entrant and you wanted to undergo HGV training would you want to use a broker or would you prefer to go direct? In all honesty and reality the answer must be go direct.

Your feedback you say is 90% and that’s very impressive, but I have never seen any of your reviews or testimonials online. If you say it…can you actually prove it?
You came on this forum a while back and said you would CHANGE your current website yet you come back with 2 websites so you haven’t changed a thing. Just added another. You say you care deeply about “your trainees” yet surely if you cared that much would it not be fair just to tell them that their “aint no 80,000 driver shortage” or they "aint gonna earn £30K” or even you don’t have centres “all around the UK” and that you will simply farm it out?

What benefit do I bring to YOUR industry, I don’t know who appointed any of you as HGV Training Mediators. I bring benefits to my business and my customers / trainees and the companies that I help them find work with and for. As for having to justify it with online testimonials, I’ll leave the other companies to MAKE that stuff up.

As for any further explanations, I wont be drawn back in to have to explain the companies Mission Statement to any of you on here.

As long as the customers / trainees, employers / businesses are happy then Network Logistics Training Ltd are happy.

I wont be posting on this thread any more as everything has been explained to MINE and MY COMPANIES satisfaction, if not yours.

As per usual, should anyone have any questions or queries about HGV Training, you are more than happy to contact Network Directly.

www.networkhgv.co.uk
www.networkdrivertraining.co.uk

Regards,

Steve Manning

:open_mouth:

Steven Manning:
What benefit do I bring to YOUR industry, I don’t know who appointed any of you as HGV Training Mediators. I bring benefits to my business and my customers / trainees and the companies that I help them find work with and for. As for having to justify it with online testimonials, I’ll leave the other companies to MAKE that stuff up.

As for any further explanations, I wont be drawn back in to have to explain the companies Mission Statement to any of you on here.

As long as the customers / trainees, employers / businesses are happy then Network Logistics Training Ltd are happy.

I wont be posting on this thread any more as everything has been explained to MINE and MY COMPANIES satisfaction, if not yours.

As per usual, should anyone have any questions or queries about HGV Training, you are more than happy to contact Network Directly.

networkhgv.co.uk
networkdrivertraining.co.uk

Regards,

Steve Manning

I don’t know how people like you can look at yourselves in the mirror every morning.

“80,000 driver shortage”, “£30K a year”.

Lies, all of it!

HOLY THREAD REVIVAL :laughing:

RE: Steve Manning, if your so genuine where are your offices? why is your registered company address a mail box? A search for your Registered office address:

155 Minories, London, EC3N 1AD
Network logistics training limited trading as network HGV - Co Reg number - 7059211

Google came up with this Mailbox Rental London, Aldgate | Parcel Delivery London, Aldgate - Mailboxes Etc

Someone that hides behind a letterbox is hardly an upfront company! :imp:

Edit, found a bit more info via whois, I can’t see any trucks at Coppergate house on Brune Street either. and I found this for Network driver training:

Domain name:
networkdrivertraining.co.uk

Registrant:
Paul Tomkins

Registrant type:
UK Individual

Registrant’s address:
The registrant is a non-trading individual who has opted to have their
address omitted from the WHOIS service.

Registrar:
1 & 1 Internet AG [Tag = SCHLUND]
URL: registrar.1und1.info

Relevant dates:
Registered on: 02-Nov-2010
Renewal date: 02-Nov-2012
Last updated: 04-Nov-2010

Registration status:
Registered until renewal date.

Name servers:
ns67.1and1.co.uk
ns68.1and1.co.uk

The bit in red is interesting to say the least!