All these experts that have never taught anyone to drive in their life trying to say what is best.
50 mph for any car is acceptable on a motorway unless of course there is a minimum speed limit in force.
The problem is the other drivers that don’t have the anticipation skills to deal with this.
Most given days on the M25 we see the clowns more often than not above the speed limit and with no safe separation distance. They are the ones that cause the problems and accidents.
Some truck drivers seem to have a problem with other vehicles doing 50 mph on any road.
Strange that eh. All in such a hurry. 
jakethesnake:
All these experts that have never taught anyone to drive in their life trying to say what is best.
50 mph for any car is acceptable on a motorway unless of course there is a minimum speed limit in force.
The problem is the other drivers that don’t have the anticipation skills to deal with this.
Most given days on the M25 we see the clowns more often than not above the speed limit and with no safe separation distance. They are the ones that cause the problems and accidents.
Some truck drivers seem to have a problem with other vehicles doing 50 mph on any road.
Strange that eh. All in such a hurry.
Meanwhile in the real world of 2019 virtually nobody observes the 70mph limit, so most cars are travelling around 80 to 90.
So how can a car travelling at 50 mph be acceptable in terms of safety.
Imo cars travelling at low speeds on a road designed for h igh speed driving is more dangerous than one going too fast in terms of the limit.
Ok,.a pro driver or even a good driver will adapt and react as you imply, but why sit at a low speed and compromise your safety.
So (just for a change 
) Jakey I disagree with you trundling along at 50mph in a car on a m.way aint really safe now is it, whether perfectly legal or not.
Put it this way, I aint going to try it to prove my point, but fill yer boots if you want to have a go at it
As mentioned learners have to go on motorways now. Not sure if it’s also part of the driving test.
But I do know part of the driving test now invloes the instructor programming a destination into a sat nav .and you have to follow it as the instructor just sits there in silence.
Not sure what the idea behind this if honest.
As it takes away all the thinking for yourself.and.looking at the road. As your just blindly obeying a machine.
God help us all
edd1974:
As mentioned learners have to go on motorways now. Not sure if it’s also part of the driving test.
No it’s not part of the driving test. I think mainly because it would then mean all tests having to be done in somewhere that is 10 minutes from a motorway. Which probably excludes inner cities as well as the country areas in some cases 
.
edd1974:
As mentioned learners have to go on motorways now. Not sure if it’s also part of the driving test.
But I do know part of the driving test now invloes the instructor programming a destination into a sat nav .and you have to follow it as the instructor just sits there in silence.
Not sure what the idea behind this if honest.
As it takes away all the thinking for yourself.and.looking at the road. As your just blindly obeying a machine.
God help us all
We’ve had that with drivers in this job for the last 15 yrs mate.
robroy:
jakethesnake:
All these experts that have never taught anyone to drive in their life trying to say what is best.
50 mph for any car is acceptable on a motorway unless of course there is a minimum speed limit in force.
The problem is the other drivers that don’t have the anticipation skills to deal with this.
Most given days on the M25 we see the clowns more often than not above the speed limit and with no safe separation distance. They are the ones that cause the problems and accidents.
Some truck drivers seem to have a problem with other vehicles doing 50 mph on any road.
Strange that eh. All in such a hurry.Meanwhile in the real world of 2019 virtually nobody observes the 70mph limit, so most cars are travelling around 80 to 90.
So how can a car travelling at 50 mph be acceptable in terms of safety.
Imo cars travelling at low speeds on a road designed for h igh speed driving is more dangerous than one going too fast in terms of the limit.
Ok,.a pro driver or even a good driver will adapt and react as you imply, but why sit at a low speed and compromise your safety.So (just for a change
Put it this way, I aint going to try it to prove my point, but fill yer boots if you want to have a go at it
You mean in the real world where most drivers do as they please and ignore the maximum speed limit,(as you have just admitted) don’t leave a safe distance and lack concentration a lot of the time?
I am not saying travelling along at 50 is ideal with all these lunatics around but it is the others that are the problem especially when it come to a learner driver with an instructor.
70 for a car is the maximum and not a target. Any driver is entitled to it quite legally at 50 but does so at the risk of getting involved with some of the lunatics around them who are generally breaking the law.
Personally I would not put myself at such risk however just try to understand who is right and who is wrong. Just to add to my theory the number of times I have seen a car doing app 50 there is usually some truck driver inches behind them. Again who is right and who is wrong. Obvious really ain’t it.
jakethesnake:
robroy:
jakethesnake:
All these experts that have never taught anyone to drive in their life trying to say what is best.
50 mph for any car is acceptable on a motorway unless of course there is a minimum speed limit in force.
The problem is the other drivers that don’t have the anticipation skills to deal with this.
Most given days on the M25 we see the clowns more often than not above the speed limit and with no safe separation distance. They are the ones that cause the problems and accidents.
Some truck drivers seem to have a problem with other vehicles doing 50 mph on any road.
Strange that eh. All in such a hurry.Meanwhile in the real world of 2019 virtually nobody observes the 70mph limit, so most cars are travelling around 80 to 90.
So how can a car travelling at 50 mph be acceptable in terms of safety.
Imo cars travelling at low speeds on a road designed for h igh speed driving is more dangerous than one going too fast in terms of the limit.
Ok,.a pro driver or even a good driver will adapt and react as you imply, but why sit at a low speed and compromise your safety.So (just for a change
Put it this way, I aint going to try it to prove my point, but fill yer boots if you want to have a go at itYou mean in the real world where most drivers do as they please and ignore the maximum speed limit,(as you have just admitted) don’t leave a safe distance and lack concentration a lot of the time?
I am not saying travelling along at 50 is ideal with all these lunatics around but it is the others that are the problem especially when it come to a learner driver with an instructor.
70 for a car is the maximum and not a target. Any driver is entitled to it quite legally at 50 but does so at the risk of getting involved with some of the lunatics around them who are generally breaking the law.Personally I would not put myself at such risk however just try to understand who is right and who is wrong. Just to add to my theory the number of times I have seen a car doing app 50 there is usually some truck driver inches behind them. Again who is right and who is wrong. Obvious really ain’t it.
Jake mate 
, please don’t patronise me with one of your famous Trucknet road safety lectures.
Save it for someone who needs it eh?
I fully understand (and already know) everything you point out.
Nowhere did.I say that the way the majority of people drive at 80 or 90 on a 70mph limit m.way was legal or anything else, …(nor did I ‘‘Admit’’ any ■■■■■■■ thing either 
) my point was that is HOW IT IS in Realworld 
It’s not ideal tootling along at 50 feeling smug and safe in the knowledge that you are in the right, and everyone else is in the wrong, even if that is true, because when reality kicks in you’ll end up with somebody rammed up your arse…so as I said not safe or ideal.
sonflowerinwales:
malcolmgbell:
No I would not take a learner on the motorway unti they were competent on a dual carriageway at 70 mphI also spent some time making sure the pupils were competent at 70mph on dual carriageways. But I did not have the freedom to go on the motorway with L plates then.
Once they passed, I insisted we took a ride on the motorway. Stevenage, A1M, M25, M4, into Heathrow Airport for a coffee then back. Made them sweat…
Cheers
Paul
Had similar back in the late 1970’s when I did my car test in the army, Paul. Training course was two weeks, two students per car; you trained for first week and did your test on the first Friday. Those who failed had the other week for a re-take; you could do that back then. Those who passed spent the second week doing more advanced stuff including motorways; in other words learning to drive a car rather than learning to pass the test.
Doing that sort of stuff with an experienced instructor rather than just winging it solo was invaluable.
manski:
edd1974:
As mentioned learners have to go on motorways now. Not sure if it’s also part of the driving test.No it’s not part of the driving test. I think mainly because it would then mean all tests having to be done in somewhere that is 10 minutes from a motorway. Which probably excludes inner cities as well as the country areas in some cases
that’s Suffolk out the picture then
robroy:
jakethesnake:
robroy:
jakethesnake:
All these experts that have never taught anyone to drive in their life trying to say what is best.
50 mph for any car is acceptable on a motorway unless of course there is a minimum speed limit in force.
The problem is the other drivers that don’t have the anticipation skills to deal with this.
Most given days on the M25 we see the clowns more often than not above the speed limit and with no safe separation distance. They are the ones that cause the problems and accidents.
Some truck drivers seem to have a problem with other vehicles doing 50 mph on any road.
Strange that eh. All in such a hurry.Meanwhile in the real world of 2019 virtually nobody observes the 70mph limit, so most cars are travelling around 80 to 90.
So how can a car travelling at 50 mph be acceptable in terms of safety.
Imo cars travelling at low speeds on a road designed for h igh speed driving is more dangerous than one going too fast in terms of the limit.
Ok,.a pro driver or even a good driver will adapt and react as you imply, but why sit at a low speed and compromise your safety.So (just for a change
Put it this way, I aint going to try it to prove my point, but fill yer boots if you want to have a go at itYou mean in the real world where most drivers do as they please and ignore the maximum speed limit,(as you have just admitted) don’t leave a safe distance and lack concentration a lot of the time?
I am not saying travelling along at 50 is ideal with all these lunatics around but it is the others that are the problem especially when it come to a learner driver with an instructor.
70 for a car is the maximum and not a target. Any driver is entitled to it quite legally at 50 but does so at the risk of getting involved with some of the lunatics around them who are generally breaking the law.Personally I would not put myself at such risk however just try to understand who is right and who is wrong. Just to add to my theory the number of times I have seen a car doing app 50 there is usually some truck driver inches behind them. Again who is right and who is wrong. Obvious really ain’t it.
Jake mate
Save it for someone who needs it eh?I fully understand (and already know) everything you point out.
Nowhere did.I say that the way the majority of people drive at 80 or 90 on a 70mph limit m.way was legal or anything else, …(nor did I ‘‘Admit’’ any ■■■■■■■ thing either
It’s not ideal tootling along at 50 feeling smug and safe in the knowledge that you are in the right, and everyone else is in the wrong, even if that is true, because when reality kicks in you’ll end up with somebody rammed up your arse…so as I said not safe or ideal.
OK I apologise for getting you confused with all the other morons on the road. I forgot how flawless you are.
Your last little phrase amuses me though…sitting at 50 feeling smug (highly unlikely BTW) I wonder how all the lunatics feel as they break the speed limit whilst checking their mobile and travelling far too close to the vehicle in front? Do they feel smug that they are getting away with it day in day out? Or more like likely…Do they not think? Just curious about your take on that.
Remember right back to when you were learning to drive a car. It’s probably actually quite daunting to go onto a motorway as a learner even with a professional instructor. 50mph is perfectly legal and it’s best they build up confidence to go at 70mph. Have to start somewhere. I bet your the kind of driver who sits there laughing at someone who’s only just passed his class 1 and is taking 50 attempts to get it onto a bay aren’t you as you clearly can’t remember what it’s like to do be something new, or were you an expert straight away?
robroy:
jakethesnake:
All these experts that have never taught anyone to drive in their life trying to say what is best.
50 mph for any car is acceptable on a motorway unless of course there is a minimum speed limit in force.
The problem is the other drivers that don’t have the anticipation skills to deal with this.
Most given days on the M25 we see the clowns more often than not above the speed limit and with no safe separation distance. They are the ones that cause the problems and accidents.
Some truck drivers seem to have a problem with other vehicles doing 50 mph on any road.
Strange that eh. All in such a hurry.Meanwhile in the real world of 2019 virtually nobody observes the 70mph limit, so most cars are travelling around 80 to 90.
So how can a car travelling at 50 mph be acceptable in terms of safety.
Imo cars travelling at low speeds on a road designed for h igh speed driving is more dangerous than one going too fast in terms of the limit.
Ok,.a pro driver or even a good driver will adapt and react as you imply, but why sit at a low speed and compromise your safety.So (just for a change
Put it this way, I aint going to try it to prove my point, but fill yer boots if you want to have a go at it
It doesn’t matter what most are doing. Most doing 80 or 90 is illegal, doing 50 is legal.
Rowley010:
robroy:
jakethesnake:
All these experts that have never taught anyone to drive in their life trying to say what is best.
50 mph for any car is acceptable on a motorway unless of course there is a minimum speed limit in force.
The problem is the other drivers that don’t have the anticipation skills to deal with this.
Most given days on the M25 we see the clowns more often than not above the speed limit and with no safe separation distance. They are the ones that cause the problems and accidents.
Some truck drivers seem to have a problem with other vehicles doing 50 mph on any road.
Strange that eh. All in such a hurry.Meanwhile in the real world of 2019 virtually nobody observes the 70mph limit, so most cars are travelling around 80 to 90.
So how can a car travelling at 50 mph be acceptable in terms of safety.
Imo cars travelling at low speeds on a road designed for h igh speed driving is more dangerous than one going too fast in terms of the limit.
Ok,.a pro driver or even a good driver will adapt and react as you imply, but why sit at a low speed and compromise your safety.So (just for a change
Put it this way, I aint going to try it to prove my point, but fill yer boots if you want to have a go at itIt doesn’t matter what most are doing. Most doing 80 or 90 is illegal, doing 50 is legal.
Like I said to Jakey, I fully understand all that, I aint condoning it I’m merely pointing out that is how it is, whether you, me, Tom, ■■■■, or even Harry disapproves of it or not.
The only people that should be concerned, or can do anything about it is the (virtually non existent) Traffic Police.
Do you not get my point though, a guy sat in a hospital bed head to toe in bandages with his leg strapped up in the air saying…‘‘At least I was in the right, I was perfectly legal’’
Rowley010:
Remember right back to when you were learning to drive a car. It’s probably actually quite daunting to go onto a motorway as a learner even with a professional instructor. 50mph is perfectly legal and it’s best they build up confidence to go at 70mph. Have to start somewhere. I bet your the kind of driver who sits there laughing at someone who’s only just passed his class 1 and is taking 50 attempts to get it onto a bay aren’t you as you clearly can’t remember what it’s like to do be something new, or were you an expert straight away?
Are you on about me or what?.
As for daunting, I remember as a learner driver being told to sit near the max speed limit to each type of road I was on if safe to do so.
Is 65 to 70 so much more ‘daunting’ than 50?..I reckon not, and I would reckon the candidate is well up to test standard before they even consider giving him/her a taste of M.way driving, it aint that they will be let loose in the first few lessons is it.
Oh and thanks for your unfounded random opinion of me (if it is me) but no, I aint anything like that, so I don’t feel the need or the justification to explain to you why I am not tbh.
And neither do I profess to be an expert either.
robroy:
Rowley010:
Remember right back to when you were learning to drive a car. It’s probably actually quite daunting to go onto a motorway as a learner even with a professional instructor. 50mph is perfectly legal and it’s best they build up confidence to go at 70mph. Have to start somewhere. I bet your the kind of driver who sits there laughing at someone who’s only just passed his class 1 and is taking 50 attempts to get it onto a bay aren’t you as you clearly can’t remember what it’s like to do be something new, or were you an expert straight away?Are you on about me or what?.
As for daunting, I remember as a learner driver being told to sit near the max speed limit to each type of road I was on if safe to do so.
Is 65 to 70 so much more ‘daunting’ than 50?..I reckon not, and I would reckon the candidate is well up to test standard before they even consider giving him/her a taste of M.way driving, it aint that they will be let loose in the first few lessons is it.Oh and thanks for your unfounded random opinion of me (if it is me) but no, I aint anything like that, so I don’t feel the need or the justification to explain to you why I am not tbh.
And neither do I profess to be an expert either.
I reckon it’s alot more daunting for a learner sitting at 50 with every single thing going faster than you, apart from the odd Waitrose wagon.
They should be taught to get up to speed and be confident
robroy:
Rowley010:
Remember right back to when you were learning to drive a car. It’s probably actually quite daunting to go onto a motorway as a learner even with a professional instructor. 50mph is perfectly legal and it’s best they build up confidence to go at 70mph. Have to start somewhere. I bet your the kind of driver who sits there laughing at someone who’s only just passed his class 1 and is taking 50 attempts to get it onto a bay aren’t you as you clearly can’t remember what it’s like to do be something new, or were you an expert straight away?Are you on about me or what?.
As for daunting, I remember as a learner driver being told to sit near the max speed limit to each type of road I was on if safe to do so.
Is 65 to 70 so much more ‘daunting’ than 50?..I reckon not, and I would reckon the candidate is well up to test standard before they even consider giving him/her a taste of M.way driving, it aint that they will be let loose in the first few lessons is it.Oh and thanks for your unfounded random opinion of me (if it is me) but no, I aint anything like that, so I don’t feel the need or the justification to explain to you why I am not tbh.
And neither do I profess to be an expert either.
Ha you are certainly no expert on driving instruction, that’s for sure. What you seem to fail to realise is that when you took your test there was far less traffic about and you being so flawless in your driving that 65 - 70 was probably ok. However there are some that are not quite as proficient as yourself 
and they cannot grasp things so quickly therefore some candidates may need to start off at 50 on a motorway and build up gradually. Every new driver is different and has to be treated differently. As I said earlier far too many making comments on something they obviously know nothing about. Most drivers seem to forget they had to learn one day.
idrive:
robroy:
Rowley010:
Remember right back to when you were learning to drive a car. It’s probably actually quite daunting to go onto a motorway as a learner even with a professional instructor. 50mph is perfectly legal and it’s best they build up confidence to go at 70mph. Have to start somewhere. I bet your the kind of driver who sits there laughing at someone who’s only just passed his class 1 and is taking 50 attempts to get it onto a bay aren’t you as you clearly can’t remember what it’s like to do be something new, or were you an expert straight away?Are you on about me or what?.
As for daunting, I remember as a learner driver being told to sit near the max speed limit to each type of road I was on if safe to do so.
Is 65 to 70 so much more ‘daunting’ than 50?..I reckon not, and I would reckon the candidate is well up to test standard before they even consider giving him/her a taste of M.way driving, it aint that they will be let loose in the first few lessons is it.Oh and thanks for your unfounded random opinion of me (if it is me) but no, I aint anything like that, so I don’t feel the need or the justification to explain to you why I am not tbh.
And neither do I profess to be an expert either.I reckon it’s alot more daunting for a learner sitting at 50 with every single thing going faster than you, apart from the odd Waitrose wagon.
They should be taught to get up to speed and be confident
You reckon do you , well before reckoning give it a go pal. They are taught to get up to speed but it takes time. Same with confidence and most of that happens after the test when they learn how to break every rule and drive the way they think.
robroy:
Rowley010:
Remember right back to when you were learning to drive a car. It’s probably actually quite daunting to go onto a motorway as a learner even with a professional instructor. 50mph is perfectly legal and it’s best they build up confidence to go at 70mph. Have to start somewhere. I bet your the kind of driver who sits there laughing at someone who’s only just passed his class 1 and is taking 50 attempts to get it onto a bay aren’t you as you clearly can’t remember what it’s like to do be something new, or were you an expert straight away?Are you on about me or what?.
As for daunting, I remember as a learner driver being told to sit near the max speed limit to each type of road I was on if safe to do so.
Is 65 to 70 so much more ‘daunting’ than 50?..I reckon not, and I would reckon the candidate is well up to test standard before they even consider giving him/her a taste of M.way driving, it aint that they will be let loose in the first few lessons is it.Oh and thanks for your unfounded random opinion of me (if it is me) but no, I aint anything like that, so I don’t feel the need or the justification to explain to you why I am not tbh.
And neither do I profess to be an expert either.
No rob the world doesn’t revolve around you and your not some TruckNet god where all replies are directed at you. My response was to the OP
Here we go again. Robroy knows everything about eff all and is now a driving instructor
Rowley010:
No rob the world doesn’t revolve around you and your not some TruckNet god where all replies are directed at you. My response was to the OP
Wow !
Is it the wrong time of the month bud or what?
‘‘No Rob it wasn’t aimed at you’’… would have been quite sufficient, but hey!, thanks for clearing up the misunderstanding.