there is no reason behind this question its just that i had a day of ■■■■ radio yesterday so it spent most of it turned off and i spent most of my time in ‘thinking mode’ (some people might say this is a pretty dangerous mode for me to be in!)
if you lose your HGV entitlement due to ill health, do you also lose the entitlement to drive 7.5t?
i know this is a bit of a daft question but if you aquired it by passing the Cat C test (passed Cat B after 1997) do they also take the 7.5t as you have in effect aquired it by passing a medical and then doing the test? but what about if you passed before 1997?
if you get stressed and have a nervous breakdown does this constitute a reason to lose the licence? i was just pondering on how many drivers (especially O/d’s) have obviously felt the squeeze over the past year or so and wondered if they knew if they were on the edge or not?
Wrong, Rog. I know someone with a pre-1997 licence who lost his cat C1 after an MS diagnosis. So yes, in other words. Cat C1 is subject to the same medical standards as the LGV categories now.
Lucy:
Wrong, Rog. I know someone with a pre-1997 licence who lost his cat C1 after an MS diagnosis. So yes, in other words. Cat C1 is subject to the same medical standards as the LGV categories now.
I was aware Lucy which is why I said this -
ROG:
pre 97 it stays on - unless the DVLA medical board deem differently which they can do so if they see fit.
It’s an automatic thing though, ROG, or so this guy and various others have been told. Nothing to do with discretion, the discretion comes in when they decide to let you keep it.
If the Upgrade part of a licence is taken away then any other part that does not fall within that (except B+E) is unaffected - they have to do a second look at the ‘basic’ part to remove any other entitlement - unless the WHOLE licence is taken away…
Seems like they looked at both parts where your guy was concerned - they may have considered taking away his total licence so he could not drive anything.
You’re missing the point Rog. The rules have changed and C1 is now considered to be subject to the same standards of medical fitness as other Group 2 vocational licences.
Lucy:
You’re missing the point Rog. The rules have changed and C1 is now considered to be subject to the same standards of medical fitness as other Group 2 vocational licences.
I’ll double check on that Lucy as last month there were no such medical requirements for pre 97 C1 holders - only for those that got them through upgrades
Extra rules for applications to drive larger vehicles over 3,500kgs, minibuses (between 9 and 16 seats) and buses
A D4 medical report form, completed by a medical practitioner, will also need to be returned with your application to DVLA if you’re:
applying for entitlement to drive larger vehicles over 3500kg, minibuses (between 9 and 16 seats) and buses for the first time
a car licence holder applying to renew category C1 and or D1
renewing your large goods vehicle (LGV) or passenger carrying vehicle (PCV) driving entitlement on or after the age of 45 and at five yearly intervals until the age of 65 (if you’re aged between 45 and 65 and have been issued with a medical short period licence, then you only need send in a D4 form if you haven’t done so within the last five years)
renewing your LGV and or PCV driving entitlement on or after the age of 65 and on a yearly basis thereafter Drivers already holding entitlement to drive vehicles of category C1 and or D1 and who have passed a car test before 1 January 1997, will only be required to meet the higher medical standards when the licence is next renewed.
There’s your answer. When you declare a notifiable condition your full licence is revoked and a new one issued, be that one to the date of your next standard medical, or a short term licence of whatever length. So by informing DVLA and going through the system you ARE renewing your licence, and therefore come under the new medical rules.
sure is - my C1 is due for renewal at age 70 and when I am 70 I will need to do a D4 medical to continue with it
My LGV C + CE are on the 5 year system and 65+ yearly medical
As I stated - they are on different medical systems - If my LGV is revoked for any reason it will not affect my C1 as my C1 is pre 97
You’re still missing the point, Rog. It’s different when you are declaring a condition. THEY REVOKE YOUR LICENCE, ALL OF IT, REGARDLESS OF WHEN YOU GOT ANY PARTICULAR CATEGORY. Even when they allow you to continue to drive THEY STILL REVOKE YOUR LICENCE FIRST, then issue you a new one.
You are effectively starting again from scratch and C1 is therefore treated accordingly and your fitness to drive is judged under the new rules. The date of issue on your licence is from when your previous one was revoked, so your C1 would no longer be pre-1997 for medical purposes.
But hey, what would I know, I only have to go through all this crap every year.
Lucy:
It’s different when you are declaring a condition
Perhaps it depends on which condition is being declared as when I declared my eye condition it did not affect my basic licence at all - they only considered it to affect my upgraded part and they were quite clear on this.
If the condition declared does determine what it affects then we are both correct.
Lucy:
How long ago was that ROG? And did it cause you to have your licence revoked and reissued or just a clause about your eyesight added?
That was around 2000 and they had me doing eyesight tests, which I still do now every 3 years.
They suspended the upgrade part of the licence until the eye test results were presented but I could still drive C1s as that was not in the upgrade part.
There’s your explanation then. They suspended your existing licence rather than revoking and issueing a new one. I think that may be where the answer lies to all this.
Lucy:
There’s your explanation then. They suspended your existing licence rather than revoking and issueing a new one. I think that may be where the answer lies to all this.
They only suspended the upgrades not the basic where my C1 is… I still reckon it depends on the nature of the medical condition that they have been informed of as to whether they suspend the basic and the upgrades or just the upgrades.
Again you’re missing the point. The key’s in the wording. It would appear that if they suspend, as with you, the 7.5t is unaffected, but if they revoke and reissueit is included as a group 2 entitlement and judged accordingly. The key would, indeed, be in the condition and whether it was one which triggered revocation or not.
The original question was about cases where you “lose your HGV entitlement due to ill health”, as opposed to having it suspended. In that instance we would be talking about a revocation and reissue (or not) and the 7.5t cat would be included.
Lee G:
if you lose your HGV entitlement due to ill health, do you also lose the entitlement to drive 7.5t?
i know this is a bit of a daft question but if you aquired it by passing the Cat C test (passed Cat B after 1997) do they also take the 7.5t as you have in effect aquired it by passing a medical and then doing the test? but what about if you passed before 1997?
Called DVLA medical section. Each case is individual but in the case where the total licence is brought into question then a ‘short term’ licence may be issued and all the catagories would be reviewed before anything more than B was re-instated.
In the case where just the LGV/PCV upgrade part was lost then all on the basic part, including a pre 97 C1, stays on it - this upgrade part can be ‘lost’ immediately if DVLA medical deem it necessary wiithout affecting any of the catagories on the basic licence.
ROG:
I still reckon it depends on the nature of the medical condition that they have been informed of as to whether they suspend the basic and the upgrades or just the upgrades.
Lee G:
there is no reason behind this question its just that i had a day of [zb] radio yesterday so it spent most of it turned off and i spent most of my time in ‘thinking mode’ (some people might say this is a pretty dangerous mode for me to be in!)
if you lose your HGV entitlement due to ill health, do you also lose the entitlement to drive 7.5t?
Haven’t you got an iPod?
I worried about this too, but my mate who has diabetes has recently gone from diet to injections, he has lost his class one, C+E but kept his C1 7.5t entitlement
Wheel Nut:
I worried about this too, but my mate who has diabetes has recently gone from diet to injections, he has lost his class one, C+E but kept his C1 7.5t entitlement
Do you know if that was that because he had a pre 97 C1 which was not part of his LGV upgrade
