cav551:
whisperingsmith:
Wriggle as much as you want CF - BUT with your Violent, Nasty & ■■■■ Genocidal words - you stand accused along with Netanyahu & all his savage Kin.Agreed.
Further to ^ this I asked what is ‘your’ personal solution to the problem.
Other than stay where they are, dissolve Israel as a state in favour of Palestine, open the gates and trust and rely on the mercy of the Islamic world surrounding them, to allow them all to live happily ever after ?.
If only the most damaging people - could be the least-interested in Politics…
Cameron, who once resigned over Remain losing the referendum - comes back, perhaps with Osbourne in tow…
If there is a threat to one’s life and limb, rather than “Liberty and Rights” - then people will become distracted about the “painful adjustment” that must surely now be upon us economically…?
There’s an upcoming Autumn Statement with regards to the Tory spending plans…
There’s nothing good in it, most likely - leaving an incoming Labour government to raise money for duff foreign spending into the distant future…
Even if you are one of those emboldened to be anti-israel in plain sight - do YOU want to be among those paying for that?
How much longer before we start shoehorning Gaza-refugee medical staff into NHS hospitals, their old stomping grounds now a pile of rubble by this point?
…It’s not difficult to imagine a few air bubbles going astray for all those thinkingly “Neutral” UK citizens awaiting minor treatments - only to come out dead in future - is it?
Most people won’t realize they are being conspired against - until they are already dead, and it is too late for their families to help them…
Winseer:
If only the most damaging people - could be the least-interested in Politics…Cameron, who once resigned over Remain losing the referendum - comes back, perhaps with Osbourne in tow…
If there is a threat to one’s life and limb, rather than “Liberty and Rights” - then people will become distracted about the “painful adjustment” that must surely now be upon us economically…?
There’s an upcoming Autumn Statement with regards to the Tory spending plans…
There’s nothing good in it, most likely - leaving an incoming Labour government to raise money for duff foreign spending into the distant future…
Even if you are one of those emboldened to be anti-israel in plain sight - do YOU want to be among those paying for that?
How much longer before we start shoehorning Gaza-refugee medical staff into NHS hospitals, their old stomping grounds now a pile of rubble by this point?
…It’s not difficult to imagine a few air bubbles going astray for all those thinkingly “Neutral” UK citizens awaiting minor treatments - only to come out dead in future - is it?Most people won’t realize they are being conspired against - until they are already dead, and it is too late for their families to help them…
To put it simply if/when the people of this country end up as victims of its historic and ongoing pro Islam pro Arab regime, some might call that karma for those Israelis that it hanged and murdered for the crime of going home to reclaim their country.On that note I think my Dad saw something rotten in the heart of his country in 1946-7 that I’m learning only now.
So much for “Peace and Reconciliation”.
Traditional Warfare has it that you "kill all enemy, until there are none left, or they all kill you.
It is possible that BOTH sides get wiped out, but impossible for both sides to survive such a war.
It IS a war of extermination, but I remind people that neither Israel nor Gaza happen to be a “Race” nor a “Religion” nor even a “Skin Colour”.
Perhaps the new US Speaker Mike Johnson - pulls the funding plug on BOTH sides at this time, since he’ll be facing a shutdown in the coming days if the money cannot be found elsewhere to fund such follies as “both sides in a conflict”…
Winseer:
So much for “Peace and Reconciliation”.Traditional Warfare has it that you "kill all enemy, until there are none left, or they all kill you.
It is possible that BOTH sides get wiped out, but impossible for both sides to survive such a war.
It IS a war of extermination, but I remind people that neither Israel nor Gaza happen to be a “Race” nor a “Religion” nor even a “Skin Colour”.Perhaps the new US Speaker Mike Johnson - pulls the funding plug on BOTH sides at this time, since he’ll be facing a shutdown in the coming days if the money cannot be found elsewhere to fund such follies as “both sides in a conflict”…
Let’s get this right.For all intents and purposes the Jews are a race and a religion and a nation in the form of Israel like Judeah before.
Obviously those with malicious intent against them only recognise the former two of those.
Malicious intent includes UK policy to date and especially the anti semitic alliance of Socialism and Islam.As we saw in the case of the Hanshar and the backers of the '67 and '73 proxy Arab wars of attempted annihilation of Israel.
Not everyone is full of Bile & Hatred like you CF:
Standing Together is a grassroots movement mobilizing Jewish and Palestinian citizens of Israel in pursuit of peace, equality, and social and climate justice.
While the minority who benefit from the status quo of occupation and economic inequality seek to keep us divided, we know that we — the majority — have far more in common than that which sets us apart.
When we stand together, we are strong enough to fundamentally alter the existing socio-political reality. The future that we want — peace and independence for Israelis and Palestinians, full equality for all citizens, and true social, economic, and environmental justice — is possible.
Because where there is struggle, there is hope.
whisperingsmith:
Not everyone is full of Bile & Hatred like you CF:Standing Together is a grassroots movement mobilizing Jewish and Palestinian citizens of Israel in pursuit of peace, equality, and social and climate justice.
While the minority who benefit from the status quo of occupation and economic inequality seek to keep us divided, we know that we — the majority — have far more in common than that which sets us apart.
When we stand together, we are strong enough to fundamentally alter the existing socio-political reality. The future that we want — peace and independence for Israelis and Palestinians, full equality for all citizens, and true social, economic, and environmental justice — is possible.
Because where there is struggle, there is hope.
Define how you intend to create ‘independence for Israelis and Palestinians’.The reality is that Israel v so called Palestine is a binary mutually exclusive choice it can’t be both there isn’t room for two individual states within the borders of what is Israel even if the idea was true.The Arabs have had almost 80 years to welcome their Jewish Israeli neighbours home.We’ve just seen the most recent savage attack by Arabs on Israelis that proves you’re an apologist for typical Islamic Arab lies and deceit that goes with Jihad.
Just as you try to dress up anti semitic Arab aggressors as so called victims.While it’s obvious who murdered who throughout history and that includes the shameful actions of British forces against Israel’s population for the crime of going home.
Son of Holocaust survivors & a Jewish MP in South Africa. Andrew Feinstein:-
Israel is Becoming a Fascist State. The most right wing government in Israel’s history & how it came to power.
Well Worth Listening To Him at: Israel is Becoming a Fascist State
whisperingsmith:
Son of Holocaust survivors & a Jewish MP in South Africa. Andrew Feinstein:-Israel is Becoming a Fascist State. The most right wing government in Israel’s history & how it came to power.
Well Worth Listening To Him at: Israel is Becoming a Fascist State
So Israel follows the example of South Africa and Zimbabwe and Yugoslavia.By dissolving the state and government in favour of an Arab ruled Socialist Utopia called New Palestine.What could possibly go wrong.
Carryfast:
cav551:
Right CF: “Murderous acts of Arab Islamic savagery” and previous references earlier to “Arab scum terrorists”So on Rememberance Sunday lets remember British Intelligence Corps Sergeants Clifford Martin and Mervyn Paice, kidnapped and Murdered by the terrorist Zionist Irgun.
" The two sergaents’ bodies were found hanging in a eucaliptus grove near Netanya…and before they were retrieved the Press was allowed to photograph them…the ground beneath them had been mined so that there was an explosion when they were cut down. One body was mangled and blown twenty yards away; small pieces of the other were found as far as two hundred yards away. Press reports of the gruesome discovery and the aftermath of the booby traps triggered rioting in more than a dozen towns and cities across Britain during the first week of August 1947."
So who ordered this attrocity? Menachin Begin - later to become the sixth Prime Minister of Israel.
Look a little further into those who become prime minister or president of Israel and lo and behold a Zionist terrorist background raises it murky head.
So I agree with you on one thing, let them go to the United States, the Yanks are thick enough to welcome them with open arms.
The reason thy have not fared well historically in other countries is simple: Usuray. The Talmud permitted lending money on interest to a “stranger”, but prohibited it to a fellow Jew (“your brother”).
In the interests of fair minded balance tell us more about
Avshalom Haviv, Meir Naker, and Yaakov Weiss ?.As for War service I’ve always wondered how my Dad was strangely demobbed, after serving in WW2 in Italy, in Villach half way through a return transport run from and back to Trieste and when and from where his unit was shipped out to ( Israel ), without him obviously having not returned.
I’d add with clean discharge papers.
What I do know is he said no more about his discharge but I do remember his vehement support of Israel and the IDF in '67 and '73 wars and an argument with someone about so called Jewish terrorists.
I also know about the exploits of the Jewish Brigade in Italy helping him and his comrades to defeat the German forces in March and April '45.
Also being well aware that they wouldn’t have had the luxury of our own in the event of having to surrender to German forces in battle.
With all that in mind I’ve put 3 and 2 together and think and hope I’ve ended up with 4 in that regard.
Remembrance indeed.
You absolutely disgust me Carryfast, how ■■■■■■■ dare you attempt to compare, let alone justify, the actions of the Stern gang by mentioning those Terrrorists’ names: and to have done it on Remembrance Sunday too. These men were convicted at trial and rightfully hung, the sentence correctly being carried out under the law at the time, in spite of the Stern Gang’s threat to murder the two Sergeants whose memory you have defiled; that is totally unacceptable.
We should not forget either that the British soldiers being killed in the terrorism campaign at the time were a force composed of a significant number of National Servicemen.
If you want things put into context to describe the lengths to which the Haganah, Irgun and the Stern Gang went or intended to go then we’ll recal that the French had to make a deal with both that they could base themselves in Paris provided that they did not proceed with a plot to kill Princess Elizabeth during her impending French Visit in 1948.
How about the SS Patria, an ocean liner containing some 1800 of their own people, who had fled Germany in collusion between the Haganah and the Nazis, and due to be deported by the British, blown in 1940 up by the Haganah in Haifa port? This carried out on the authority of the first two future Israeli Prime Ministers. 267 dead.
Such lovely people you want to hero-worship.
cav551:
Carryfast:
cav551:
Right CF: “Murderous acts of Arab Islamic savagery” and previous references earlier to “Arab scum terrorists”So on Rememberance Sunday lets remember British Intelligence Corps Sergeants Clifford Martin and Mervyn Paice, kidnapped and Murdered by the terrorist Zionist Irgun.
" The two sergaents’ bodies were found hanging in a eucaliptus grove near Netanya…and before they were retrieved the Press was allowed to photograph them…the ground beneath them had been mined so that there was an explosion when they were cut down. One body was mangled and blown twenty yards away; small pieces of the other were found as far as two hundred yards away. Press reports of the gruesome discovery and the aftermath of the booby traps triggered rioting in more than a dozen towns and cities across Britain during the first week of August 1947."
So who ordered this attrocity? Menachin Begin - later to become the sixth Prime Minister of Israel.
Look a little further into those who become prime minister or president of Israel and lo and behold a Zionist terrorist background raises it murky head.
So I agree with you on one thing, let them go to the United States, the Yanks are thick enough to welcome them with open arms.
The reason thy have not fared well historically in other countries is simple: Usuray. The Talmud permitted lending money on interest to a “stranger”, but prohibited it to a fellow Jew (“your brother”).
In the interests of fair minded balance tell us more about
Avshalom Haviv, Meir Naker, and Yaakov Weiss ?.As for War service I’ve always wondered how my Dad was strangely demobbed, after serving in WW2 in Italy, in Villach half way through a return transport run from and back to Trieste and when and from where his unit was shipped out to ( Israel ), without him obviously having not returned.
I’d add with clean discharge papers.
What I do know is he said no more about his discharge but I do remember his vehement support of Israel and the IDF in '67 and '73 wars and an argument with someone about so called Jewish terrorists.
I also know about the exploits of the Jewish Brigade in Italy helping him and his comrades to defeat the German forces in March and April '45.
Also being well aware that they wouldn’t have had the luxury of our own in the event of having to surrender to German forces in battle.
With all that in mind I’ve put 3 and 2 together and think and hope I’ve ended up with 4 in that regard.
Remembrance indeed.You absolutely disgust me Carryfast, how [zb] dare you attempt to compare, let alone justify, the actions of the Stern gang by mentioning those Terrrorists’ names: and to have done it on Remembrance Sunday too. These men were convicted at trial and rightfully hung, the sentence correctly being carried out under the law at the time, in spite of the Stern Gang’s threat to murder the two Sergeants whose memory you have defiled; that is totally unacceptable.
We should not forget either that the British soldiers being killed in the terrorism campaign at the time were a force composed of a significant number of National Servicemen.
If you want things put into context to describe the lengths to which the Haganah, Irgun and the Stern Gang went or intended to go then we’ll recal that the French had to make a deal with both that they could base themselves in Paris provided that they did not proceed with a plot to kill Princess Elizabeth during her impending French Visit in 1948.
How about the SS Patria, an ocean liner containing some 1800 of their own people, who had fled Germany in collusion between the Haganah and the Nazis, and due to be deported by the British, blown in 1940 up by the Haganah in Haifa port? This carried out on the authority of the first two future Israeli Prime Ministers. 267 dead.
Such lovely people you want to hero-worship.
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Not half as much as you disgust me with your biased pro Arab misinformation in defence of this latest Arab atrocity…
A trial with a sentence usually reserved for murderers, not former allies fighting nazism and its Palestinian cohorts, acting in self defence against British aggression.
So tell us what trial did those refugees get when the Exodus was boarded by club wielding British Naval personnel who then proceeded to use them to beat its passengers to death.
How different to the Islamic invasion of our shores.
whisperingsmith:
Son of Holocaust survivors & a Jewish MP in South Africa. Andrew Feinstein:-Israel is Becoming a Fascist State. The most right wing government in Israel’s history & how it came to power.
Well Worth Listening To Him at: Israel is Becoming a Fascist State
What IS a “Fascist” by this point?
Left and Right seem to be the belligerents here, mainly because so many of them “don’t have a religious faith AT ALL” and are merely brought up in whatever religion they are labelled as.
The “Good” Jews, Muslims, Christians, and even Atheists - are the ones you never hear about.
If you are NON practicing though? - You can hide behind the “Faith” you don’t share - whenever it suits you to play that particular card.
Much Evil is done in the name of “something else” then, as a consequence.
For the Onlooking outside - it is easy to then blame the “Faith” rather than the lack of it by certain activists - for all the trouble that ensues…
Israel has a right to defend itself - or it no longer has a right to exist.
Does the wider world really think Israel will just go “Ok, we’ll do nothing, and let Hamas butcher us all with Iran’s help over the coming months and years…”
It is considered a thing of the Right to “Stand up and fight” and a thing of the Left to appear to embrace “Pacifism” when it is your enemy’s turn to attack, but quickly drop to criminal combativeness when it is the Left’s turn to act…
The only punishment that should be meted out to BOTH sides by the rest of the world here - is “cut all aid”.
Hamas don’t stand a chance against a “Free Hand” Israeli Defence Force, with or without Iranian help, plus precious few other nations…
Don’t believe all this tosh that Saudi Arabia are siding with Iran in being “against Israel” as it stands. They’ve got enough on their plate with Yemen.
I rate the chances of a united arab world moving at once to destroy Israel - as being about the same as an asteroid strike that knocks us back to the stone age by this friday…
Winseer:
I rate the chances of a united arab world moving at once to destroy Israel - as being about the same as an asteroid strike that knocks us back to the stone age by this friday…
The events of 1967 and '73 say wrong and considerably shorten those odds
I think it cav’s comments are the definition of being on the wrong side of history.
conservapedia.com/Nazism_at_ … lestinians
Carryfast:
I think it cav’s comments are the definition of being on the wrong side of history.conservapedia.com/Nazism_at_ … lestinians
The main reason people end up on the “Wrong side of History” - is because it got faked.
If the public don’t know what they were lied to about - who’s gonna go back and take another look at events that occured before our lifetimes?
I’m not worried about “Wot the Deep State Did in 1938, 1948, 1962”, etc etc
I’m concerned at what they are doing RIGHT NOW fully in-view, but being ignored by the public - because they are being lied to by the governments about what’s really harming them in plain sight.
“No Changes” after the next elections - proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that either the public have been entirely fooled (unlikely…) or those who told the truth - got supressed/persecuted enough that people actually prefer having the Truth withheld from them to “lies” even when the Truth represents salvation from what is hurting people most, whilst the lies are “comfortable to live with” like “being kicked to death by someone wearing slippers”…
This has got little to do with Nation, Religion, Money - it has LOADS to do with “Sentiment”.