Israel Conflict

cav551:
Biden should be telling Yidenyahboohoo stop NOW the UN has told you to, The US will lead a UN peacekeeping force to protect Gazan civilians. If you do not cease & desist immediately your Kneset will be rubble in seconds and the destruction of your military capability will follow.

You’re effectively calling on the US to take the side of the China/NK/Iran/Russia axis against Israel.Bearing in mind the Iranian backed act of savagery against Israeli women and children that started Israel’s justified retaliation.
Yidenyahoo v your cloth head nutter Ayatollah hero and his Islamic army.We all know UN = proxy China/Russia Islamic Jihad end game third time lucky after the failure of '67 and '73.

Notice how those who stand against “Wars” have this tendency to perform outrageous and provocative acts - as if their actions are then fully justified because “Wars are not allowed by the international community”.

China and Russia routinely veto UN action, be it for peacekeepers or permitting “wars” to take place pretty much anywhere.

What’s the point of the UN then if we are
(a) never going to obey it’s decisions because we don’t want to obey Russia and China’s democratic power within the UN assembly
(b) push for motions we know in advance will get “vetoed” by the permanent security council - again Russia and China most likely…

What’s the point of the “Two State Solution” if the Paletinians not only push back all the time, but have an effective government consisting of a known terrorist outrit that STILL doesn’t accept the terms of this “Compromise” that Israel were not in favour of to START with…

A binary solution is needed, as is the Right way of doing politics in general:
If an enemy attacks, you kill them all to end the war. The very acme of what “Total War” was always supposed to be.
If you somehow “fail” to kill all the enemy, then those that remain of the enemy - will surely come back and finish YOU off out of righteous retribution, if nothing else?

It is appaling that the world seems to think it can “Disallow” Israel to exact a “kill all enemy” vengence upon Gaza, whilst at the same time “not giving a jot about punishing Gaza” for what they did just a few days ago, already brushed under the carpet by the world’s marxist media outlets that only go for “Peace” when they’ve fired their first murderous shots, and fear the retribution that comes of it…

At the end of the day, if a country has not got the political will to put boots on the ground to hasten a war’s end, then they do not have the right to even speak for or against that war, and should for everafter stay NEUTRAL on what is going on.

I don’t recall the world slagging off Sweden for not declaring war against the Nazis after Norway got invaded!
I don’t recall Argentina conducting a “Special Operation” to rid their country of all the fugitive Nazis that had fled there after WWII…

We’ve even got Media journalists that USED to be “on the ground, front line, tin-hat wearing” - now reporting their obvious propaganda from often an entirely different country, not even the neighbor of the “War Front” !!

If Lefties around the world - want to support Gaza Terrorists against Israel - then let them put themSELVES in harm’s way, and perhaps we’ll have a few less of them voting against the Righteous around the world at forthcoming elections…

If you’re not prepared to fight to defend your own country - then stop this socialist claptrap where you send someone else to do your fight cause for you, because you only fight the Right with Knives when there’s nothing stopping you going over to that enemy you apparently support, and taking the same risks you expect your political enemies at home to take…

It’s bad enough that Socialists love to spend other people’s money until other people not them are all broke and busted, but when it comes to throwing other people’s lives into a meat grinder? - Spend your OWN lives and not those of others… Spread that “Concern for others” to your own neighbors and families, rather than for those you’ll never meet, and so need not lie to the rest of us about all the time. :imp:

I neither support nor condemn Israel, because I’m not an Israeli and I’m not Jewish.
I DO stand against Terror outfits however that are now fully documented killing babies - NOT with the “morality of altitude” collateral damage approach that Israel’s actions in Gaza happens to be - but “up front and personal” which makes Hamas a true demon to act thus…

If the “Good sit back and do nothing” here, then how can anyone not expect in the near future for a now-emboldened global terrorist outfit - to come for you next…?

Are people supposed to sit in their homes in fear of some knife-wielding neighbor who could come around at any moment to pop them off?

There’s a HUGE difference between killing someone up-close and personal and as “collateral damage” in airstrikes…
It’s called “Morality of Altitude”.
If you think that is wrong then you effectively stand against ALL military EVERYWHERE as being “oppressors”, and would prefer a knife-wielding mob anarchy to that.

…Be careful what you wish for!

There’s no peace without Justice.
You’ll never get Justice from a Mob.

> Carryfast:
> [You’re effectively calling on the US to take the side of the China/NK/Iran/Russia axis against Israel.Bearing in mind the Iranian backed act of savagery against Israeli women and children that started Israel’s justified retaliation.
> Yidenyahoo v your cloth head nutter Ayatollah hero and his Islamic army.

I asked AI to answer this, this is what it said:-
“Carryfast is concerned that the Palestinians will make him do warehouse work instead of polishing his steering wheel.
He has spent days and nights perfecting the exact angle of his steering wheel and lovingly cleaning it with a soft cloth, but now he is worried that the Palestinians might take it all away from him.
He knows that if he’s forced to do warehouse work, he’ll never have the time to keep his steering wheel in the perfect condition he has grown to love.
His friends have told him that it’s unlikely, but Carryfast can’t help but worry.
He wants to stay focused on his steering wheel and not have to worry about mundane tasks like shelving boxes and counting items.
He just wants to keep his steering wheel looking perfect and feel the satisfaction of a job well done.”

Winseer:
Notice how those who stand against “Wars” have this tendency to perform outrageous and provocative acts - as if their actions are then fully justified because “Wars are not allowed by the international community”.

China and Russia routinely veto UN action, be it for peacekeepers or permitting “wars” to take place pretty much anywhere.

What’s the point of the UN then if we are
(a) never going to obey it’s decisions because we don’t want to obey Russia and China’s democratic power within the UN assembly
(b) push for motions we know in advance will get “vetoed” by the permanent security council - again Russia and China most likely…

What’s the point of the “Two State Solution” if the Paletinians not only push back all the time, but have an effective government consisting of a known terrorist outrit that STILL doesn’t accept the terms of this “Compromise” that Israel were not in favour of to START with…

A binary solution is needed, as is the Right way of doing politics in general:
If an enemy attacks, you kill them all to end the war. The very acme of what “Total War” was always supposed to be.
If you somehow “fail” to kill all the enemy, then those that remain of the enemy - will surely come back and finish YOU off out of righteous retribution, if nothing else?

It is appaling that the world seems to think it can “Disallow” Israel to exact a “kill all enemy” vengence upon Gaza, whilst at the same time “not giving a jot about punishing Gaza” for what they did just a few days ago, already brushed under the carpet by the world’s marxist media outlets that only go for “Peace” when they’ve fired their first murderous shots, and fear the retribution that comes of it…

At the end of the day, if a country has not got the political will to put boots on the ground to hasten a war’s end, then they do not have the right to even speak for or against that war, and should for everafter stay NEUTRAL on what is going on.

I don’t recall the world slagging off Sweden for not declaring war against the Nazis after Norway got invaded!
I don’t recall Argentina conducting a “Special Operation” to rid their country of all the fugitive Nazis that had fled there after WWII…

We’ve even got Media journalists that USED to be “on the ground, front line, tin-hat wearing” - now reporting their obvious propaganda from often an entirely different country, not even the neighbor of the “War Front” !!

If Lefties around the world - want to support Gaza Terrorists against Israel - then let them put themSELVES in harm’s way, and perhaps we’ll have a few less of them voting against the Righteous around the world at forthcoming elections…

If you’re not prepared to fight to defend your own country - then stop this socialist claptrap where you send someone else to do your fight cause for you, because you only fight the Right with Knives when there’s nothing stopping you going over to that enemy you apparently support, and taking the same risks you expect your political enemies at home to take…

It’s bad enough that Socialists love to spend other people’s money until other people not them are all broke and busted, but when it comes to throwing other people’s lives into a meat grinder? - Spend your OWN lives and not those of others… Spread that “Concern for others” to your own neighbors and families, rather than for those you’ll never meet, and so need not lie to the rest of us about all the time. :imp:

I neither support nor condemn Israel, because I’m not an Israeli and I’m not Jewish.
I DO stand against Terror outfits however that are now fully documented killing babies - NOT with the “morality of altitude” collateral damage approach that Israel’s actions in Gaza happens to be - but “up front and personal” which makes Hamas a true demon to act thus…

If the “Good sit back and do nothing” here, then how can anyone not expect in the near future for a now-emboldened global terrorist outfit - to come for you next…?

Israeli-American woman, 20, who bravely defended kibbutz during Hamas terrorist attack is stabbed to death by 16-year-old while patrolling border in Jerusalem's Old City | Daily Mail Online

Are people supposed to sit in their homes in fear of some knife-wielding neighbor who could come around at any moment to pop them off?

There’s a HUGE difference between killing someone up-close and personal and as “collateral damage” in airstrikes…
It’s called “Morality of Altitude”.
If you think that is wrong then you effectively stand against ALL military EVERYWHERE as being “oppressors”, and would prefer a knife-wielding mob anarchy to that.

…Be careful what you wish for!

There’s no peace without Justice.
You’ll never get Justice from a Mob.

Let’s not kid anyone that this argument ever had, or was ever intended to have, a so called ‘two state’ solution.It was always going to be the Jewish state of Israel ‘or’ the Islamic state of Palestine.
Bearing in mind that the deal that Lawrence was advocating was obviously all about the Arab state of Arabia not the artificial provinces of so called Iraq and Palestine etc.
This issue is all about the racist double standards of those using the bs Palestine issue and excuse for what is actually just outright anti semitism.On that note these racist scum won’t be happy until the Jewish population has been driven out more like ethically cleansed thereby wiping out the Jewish state.
While if the Jews are really the problem they are being painted as by the Islam apologists then Syria and Iraq and Egypt would no longer exist they’d be Greater Israel.
Arabia are the two state solution here and Arabia has got more than enough lebensraum in that regard.

Where’s Palestine ?.There’s Jordan or Syria or Egypt or Saudi or Iraq etc all Islamic Arab States.Or there’s Israel.Dont recognise Palestine or Palestinians.They are Arabian Arabs or Jewish Israelis.
I’d rather be an Israeli driver than an Arab labourer.
What does your ‘Arab Intelligence’ say about that ?.

youtu.be/eY7KEqiaCX0?si=_-aEBPlkMz-tkct

The Police seem to also openly support Hamas and their own Pro-Protestors.

So… You must obey the law - if you are Right of Karl Marx, but you will be thrown in jail by random accusations and actions of anyone LEFT of Karl Marx - if you so much as dare to push back at an officer “not doing their duty” in public…

We’re supposedly being ruled by parties of the Right rather than the Left, and yet all I see going on is the Left’s crimes being “excused” like in a General Amnesty, whilst the slightest transgressions of anyone Right of Karl Marx - is cracked down upon with the full force of the Establishment, the Rigging, and of course the Financial Neglect…

Who’s to say that the current interest rate hikes - won’t be easing off until and unless Tory voters are selling their houses for <£50k to Leftie Activists frozen out of the ladder for so long?

…Well, I’ve got news for you: A lot of Tory mortgage payers would rather fight to prevent being murdered and burned down in their houses - than have them repossesed, and given to some random flotsam who’s never paid into our system their entire lives!

If the government stops trying to appease these criminals instead of busting them - we could quickly escalate in this country to some kind of “Kristalnacht” event, with Jewish businesses being bombed, housing estates being patrolled by “Death Squads” complete with “Police ■■■■■■” for THEIR protection, and of course random attacks on anyone perceived as being a “Supporter” of Israel, such as “Wearing your Poppy with Pride” this year…

It’s worth taking note that the Christian Hate Trinity of Winseer/CF & Sploom have rarely ventured outside of their safety zones in the UK.

Many of us though have ventured 000’s of miles away and learnt how safe we felt in Islamic Countries & how well we were looked after.

As a reminder, some Super 8 of Sammy Sirrisi, driven out of Palestine as a young man & became a refugee in Damascus.

Sammy went above and beyond to look after us on the road and sort our problems - eat you hearts out you nasties CF & Winseer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuqDK5dUlQo

whisperingsmith:
It’s worth taking note that the Christian Hate Trinity of Winseer/CF & Sploom have rarely ventured outside of their safety zones in the UK.

Many of us though have ventured 000’s of miles away and learnt how safe we felt in Islamic Countries & how well we were looked after.

As a reminder, some Super 8 of Sammy Sirrisi, driven out of Palestine as a young man & became a refugee in Damascus.

Sammy went above and beyond to look after us on the road and sort our problems - eat you hearts out you nasties CF & Winseer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuqDK5dUlQo

Ironically I spent numerous long Summer Holiday road trips in Tito’s Yugoslav utopian nightmare.What I learn’t was that Socialism is the common evil denominator in trying to force together alien cultures with an unhealthy dose of anti semitism and pro Islamic bias within that.
The only surprise being how long it took for the lid to blow off Tito’s pressure cooker.
While words like Mufti, Hanshar and the Holocaust obviously don’t even fit in your laughably biased agenda or vocabulary.
Bearing in mind how this latest round of anti Semitic savagery played out and Hamas definitely ain’t the bleedin victims in that murderous rampage.
So great Islamic Arabia for the Arabs and Jewish Israel for the Jews and England for the … .English.Just like Croatia for the Croats and Slovenia for the Slovenes and …Islamic Turkey for the bleedin Ottoman Bosnians.
As opposed to your laughably selective pro Arab Islamic bias.
Damascus and Baghdad is where the Arabs belong not bleedin Jericho or Massada.

Remembering tonight Grandad Martin who has lain in the CWGC cemetery in Damascus for the last 105 years. Sadly during little of this time has he been allowed to Rest in Peace thanks to repeated attacks on the City by the French, the Zionist terrorists, the Israelis, Bashir al Assad and now the Israelis yet again.

Romeo & Juliet Act 3 Scene 1, Mercutio: " A plague o’ (all) your houses"

cav551:
Remembering tonight Grandad Martin who has lain in the CWGC cemetery in Damascus for the last 105 years. Sadly during little of this time has he been allowed to Rest in Peace thanks to repeated attacks on the City by the French, the Zionist terrorists, the Israelis, Bashir al Assad and now the Israelis yet again.

Romeo & Juliet Act 3 Scene 1, Mercutio: " A plague o’ (all) your houses"

So tell us what is your personal solution to the issues bearing in mind the fact that Israel’s wars have been about defending its population from murderous acts of Arab Islamic savagery.
Also I’ve laid out mine that Israel is an untenable situation for its people the place has brought them nothing but death and suffering since before Roman times.Would be far better to resettle its population in the US.
By the same standard we obviously kick out our alien Islamic population on the same basis ( but unlike Judeah/Israel ) with the real justification they don’t belong here.

Carryfast:

cav551:
Remembering tonight Grandad Martin who has lain in the CWGC cemetery in Damascus for the last 105 years. Sadly during little of this time has he been allowed to Rest in Peace thanks to repeated attacks on the City by the French, the Zionist terrorists, the Israelis, Bashir al Assad and now the Israelis yet again.

Romeo & Juliet Act 3 Scene 1, Mercutio: " A plague o’ (all) your houses"

So tell us what is your personal solution to the issues bearing in mind the fact that Israel’s wars have been about defending its population from murderous acts of Arab Islamic savagery.
Also I’ve laid out mine that Israel is an untenable situation for its people the place has brought them nothing but death and suffering since before Roman times.Would be far better to resettle its population in the US.
By the same standard we obviously kick out our alien Islamic population on the same basis ( but unlike Judeah/Israel ) with the real justification they don’t belong here.

Settling in another country doesn’t appeal to them because they tried that in Germany. Countries change - and I wouldn’t want anyone to settle in the US with another Trump likely to come down the line at some future date.

Right CF: “Murderous acts of Arab Islamic savagery” and previous references earlier to “Arab scum terrorists”

So on Rememberance Sunday lets remember British Intelligence Corps Sergeants Clifford Martin and Mervyn Paice, kidnapped and Murdered by the terrorist Zionist Irgun.

" The two sergaents’ bodies were found hanging in a eucaliptus grove near Netanya…and before they were retrieved the Press was allowed to photograph them…the ground beneath them had been mined so that there was an explosion when they were cut down. One body was mangled and blown twenty yards away; small pieces of the other were found as far as two hundred yards away. Press reports of the gruesome discovery and the aftermath of the booby traps triggered rioting in more than a dozen towns and cities across Britain during the first week of August 1947."

So who ordered this attrocity? Menachin Begin - later to become the sixth Prime Minister of Israel.

Look a little further into those who become prime minister or president of Israel and lo and behold a Zionist terrorist background raises it murky head.

So I agree with you on one thing, let them go to the United States, the Yanks are thick enough to welcome them with open arms.

The reason thy have not fared well historically in other countries is simple: Usuray. The Talmud permitted lending money on interest to a “stranger”, but prohibited it to a fellow Jew (“your brother”).

cav551:
Right CF: “Murderous acts of Arab Islamic savagery” and previous references earlier to “Arab scum terrorists”

So on Rememberance Sunday lets remember British Intelligence Corps Sergeants Clifford Martin and Mervyn Paice, kidnapped and Murdered by the terrorist Zionist Irgun.

" The two sergaents’ bodies were found hanging in a eucaliptus grove near Netanya…and before they were retrieved the Press was allowed to photograph them…the ground beneath them had been mined so that there was an explosion when they were cut down. One body was mangled and blown twenty yards away; small pieces of the other were found as far as two hundred yards away. Press reports of the gruesome discovery and the aftermath of the booby traps triggered rioting in more than a dozen towns and cities across Britain during the first week of August 1947."

So who ordered this attrocity? Menachin Begin - later to become the sixth Prime Minister of Israel.

Look a little further into those who become prime minister or president of Israel and lo and behold a Zionist terrorist background raises it murky head.

So I agree with you on one thing, let them go to the United States, the Yanks are thick enough to welcome them with open arms.

The reason thy have not fared well historically in other countries is simple: Usuray. The Talmud permitted lending money on interest to a “stranger”, but prohibited it to a fellow Jew (“your brother”).

In the interests of fair minded balance tell us more about
Avshalom Haviv, Meir Naker, and Yaakov Weiss ?.

As for War service I’ve always wondered how my Dad was strangely demobbed, after serving in WW2 in Italy, in Villach half way through a return transport run from and back to Trieste and when and from where his unit was shipped out to ( Israel ), without him obviously having not returned.
I’d add with clean discharge papers.
What I do know is he said no more about his discharge but I do remember his vehement support of Israel and the IDF in '67 and '73 wars and an argument with someone about so called Jewish terrorists.
I also know about the exploits of the Jewish Brigade in Italy helping him and his comrades to defeat the German forces in March and April '45.
Also being well aware that they wouldn’t have had the luxury of our own in the event of having to surrender to German forces in battle.
With all that in mind I’ve put 3 and 2 together and think and hope I’ve ended up with 4 in that regard.
Remembrance indeed.

To add of English descent and mixed Catholic Protestant and Atheist light descent I and another family member was born in a Jewish maternity facility and proud of it.

Wriggle as much as you want CF - BUT with your Violent, Nasty & ■■■■ Genocidal words - you stand accused along with Netanyahu & all his savage Kin.

whisperingsmith:
Wriggle as much as you want CF - BUT with your Violent, Nasty & ■■■■ Genocidal words - you stand accused along with Netanyahu & all his savage Kin.

Agreed.

cav551:
Agreed.

As I said wrong side of history.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Brigade
Brit squaddies sent to Israel to kill their former comrades in arms.Except for at least one who I’m guessing/hoping refused to go let alone help to deliver the weapons to do it.I’m also guessing that honourable discharge was preferable to the stinking pro Arab Brit government than a court marshall and dishonourable discharge would have been regarding the US alliance.
2+2=4 indeed.Hope you’re reading this Dad.

What a difference from the welcome that Islamic immigrants are given when landing on our shores.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah_Bet

Don’t forget that the same arguments are and have been made of the Slavery-running British Empire.
“Might is Right” at the end of the day.

Moaning about being the “Victim” of a conquest - doesn’t get the conquered anywhere at all. “Winning the peace” though?

Japan and Germany, and indeed Italy - have not done bad for themselves really since WWII - have they?

These axis powers - ALL committed atrocities in their own name as well, of course…

Leave Israel to make and clean up their own mess, withdraw all foreign funding FOR such Israeli action against Hamas.
If you listen to the Knesset politicians - they WANT this “Free Hand” anyways, so won’t consider it abuse, any more than Putin’s Russia did when we cast our western economies onto the rocks - to weaken the ruble for a few days last year…

“Authority” is about being able to kill your enemy so they CAN’T kill you back.
Either you have it and use it - or you don’t - and fall victim to someone else more worthy than you’ve proven to have been.

How is it that the Religious understand the “Never forgive, never forget” culture - but the non-believers do NOT?

Winseer:
Don’t forget that the same arguments are and have been made of the Slavery-running British Empire.
“Might is Right” at the end of the day.

Moaning about being the “Victim” of a conquest - doesn’t get the conquered anywhere at all. “Winning the peace” though?

Japan and Germany, and indeed Italy - have not done bad for themselves really since WWII - have they?

These axis powers - ALL committed atrocities in their own name as well, of course…

Leave Israel to make and clean up their own mess, withdraw all foreign funding FOR such Israeli action against Hamas.
If you listen to the Knesset politicians - they WANT this “Free Hand” anyways, so won’t consider it abuse, any more than Putin’s Russia did when we cast our western economies onto the rocks - to weaken the ruble for a few days last year…

“Authority” is about being able to kill your enemy so they CAN’T kill you back.
Either you have it and use it - or you don’t - and fall victim to someone else more worthy than you’ve proven to have been.
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How is it that the Religious understand the “Never forgive, never forget” culture - but the non-believers do NOT?

I wouldn’t call Israel and its society a mess compared to all the other Arab Islamic crap holes surrounding it.
The truth is an oppressed nation of victims driven out of their home and country who were then generally oppressed and butchered even more in the places they ran to culminating in the Holocaust and other Socialist run pogroms.
So chose the option of go home and fight if need be.
The fact that Britain has shown itself to be a hypocritical, anti semitic pro Islamic, pro Arab bunch of snakes applying double standards in that regard is just a part of that.
While the US has been the only genuine friend those people have.
On that note going home and fight has proven to have been the wrong call and untenable in the long term.
The US is their best bet as a place of sanctuary time to get out of their Middle Eastern dream before it all turns into just another nightmare as before.