Is this ok?

ASK THE EXPERTS SAFETY, LAW AND WORKING TIME DIRECTIVE FORUM (INTE
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End a 90 hour weekly rest period (there were no previous reductions) at 0600 Monday morning

WEEK ONE

1Mon 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

2Tue 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

3Wed 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

4Thu 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 24 hours weekly rest

5Fri 1900 - 2200 Work, driving. Then 9 hours rest

6Sat 0700 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

7Sun 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

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WEEK TWO

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8Mon 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

9Tue 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

10Wed 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

11Thu 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 24 hours weekly rest

12Fri 1900 - 2200 Work, driving. Then 9 hours rest

13Sat 0700 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

14Sun 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

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WEEK THREE

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15Mon 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

16Tue 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

17Wed 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

18Thu 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 24 hours weekly rest

19Fri 1900 - 2200 Work, driving. Then 9 hours rest

20Sat 0700 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

21Sun 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 111 hours weekly rest

Hope there’s no typo’s

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Yes, it’s fine.

And with the extremely long rest period at the end you have already compensated, before the latest it should be done by, for the one reduced daily rest that required it, the one on Thursday/Friday of week 2, so you can crack on with no worries.

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Hmmm …weekly rest issues?

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ROG:
Hmmm …weekly rest issues?

Please explain if I have it wrong?

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ROG:
Hmmm …weekly rest issues?

What weekly rest issues ?

He’s had a regular weekly rest period in week 1, a reduced weekly rest period in week 2 and a regular weekly rest period in week 3, and as far as I can see never gone over the 144 hours between weekly rest periods.

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chris:

ROG:
Hmmm …weekly rest issues?

Please explain if I have it wrong?

You haven’t, ROG frequently gets stuff wrong, he doesn’t actually use the tacho rules see. You are fine with everything detailed above.

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Coffeeholic:

chris:

ROG:
Hmmm …weekly rest issues?

Please explain if I have it wrong?

You haven’t, ROG frequently gets stuff wrong, he doesn’t actually use the tacho rules see. You are fine with everything detailed above.

That is the problem with premod - I realised that I had missed the 90 hours off being 2 x 45 but the edit function is taken away so could not change it

We all make little errors but unlike others on here who can change something when an error is made I do not have that option

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ROG:
That is the problem with premod - I realised that I had missed the 90 hours off being 2 x 45 but the edit function is taken away so could not change it

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Coffeeholic:

ROG:
That is the problem with premod - I realised that I had missed the 90 hours off being 2 x 45 but the edit function is taken away so could not change it

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If you don’t want explanations then don’t make comments - simple

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ROG:

Coffeeholic:

ROG:
That is the problem with premod - I realised that I had missed the 90 hours off being 2 x 45 but the edit function is taken away so could not change it

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If you don’t want explanations then don’t make comments - simple

I didn’t ask for an explanation did I? No, I didn’t so I’ll continue with making comments. :unamused: :unamused:

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then you are encouraging me to make replies to those comments so this could go on forever - what fun :laughing:

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ROG:
then you are encouraging me to make replies to those comments so this could go on forever - what fun :laughing:

Please do, that way when the topic of you coming off pre mod is once again raised in the mods forum I will be less inclined to vote yes. Crack on. :wink: :stuck_out_tongue:

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Coffeeholic:

ROG:
then you are encouraging me to make replies to those comments so this could go on forever - what fun :laughing:

Please do, that way when the topic of you coming off pre mod is once again raised in the mods forum I will be less inclined to vote yes. Crack on. :wink: :stuck_out_tongue:

Are you saying that a member does not have the right to reply to comments you make about them?

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ROG:

Coffeeholic:

ROG:
then you are encouraging me to make replies to those comments so this could go on forever - what fun :laughing:

Please do, that way when the topic of you coming off pre mod is once again raised in the mods forum I will be less inclined to vote yes. Crack on. :wink: :stuck_out_tongue:

Are you saying that a member does not have the right to reply to comments you make about them?

Err, no, where did I say that? As I said, comment away, I only read about half the replies to things I post anyway.

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chris:
End a 90 hour weekly rest period (there were no previous reductions) at 0600 Monday morning

WEEK ONE

1Mon 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

2Tue 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

3Wed 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

4Thu 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 24 hours weekly rest

5Fri 1900 - 2200 Work, driving. Then 9 hours rest

6Sat 0700 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

7Sun 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

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WEEK TWO

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8Mon 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

9Tue 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

10Wed 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

11Thu 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 24 hours weekly rest

12Fri 1900 - 2200 Work, driving. Then 9 hours rest

13Sat 0700 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

14Sun 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

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WEEK THREE

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15Mon 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

16Tue 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

17Wed 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

18Thu 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 24 hours weekly rest

19Fri 1900 - 2200 Work, driving. Then 9 hours rest

20Sat 0700 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 11 hours rest

21Sun 0600 - 1900 Work, driving, breaks from driving. Then 111 hours weekly rest

Hope there’s no typo’s

Sorry to labour the point, but!

I’ve been discussing this with a friend and they are of the opinion that:

The weekly rest on Thurs 4th - needs to be paid back. ie. 21 hours to be paid back by the end of the 3rd week following the week in question

And the same with Thurs 18th.

So I am of the opinion that, if I have already shown a 45 hour weekly rest in week one, then the 24 hour weekly rest is only to stop me working more than 6x24hour periods and does not need compensating,

But my friend says ANY weekly rest period must be paid back, even if two are shown within the same ministry week.

Any thoughts?

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You did 90 hours off at the start of week 1 so that counts asa full 45 weekly rest for that week
that makes thu 4 as an extra weekly rest which counts for no week at all so does not need paying back

at the end of week 3 you had 111 hours so the first 45 of those is the weekly rest counted for week 3
That makes the weekly rest on thu 18 an extra weekly rest which does not count for any week so again does not need paying back

Only reduced weekly rests which COUNT as the weekly rest for a particular week need compansating

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chris:
Sorry to labour the point, but!

I’ve been discussing this with a friend and they are of the opinion that:

The weekly rest on Thurs 4th - needs to be paid back. ie. 21 hours to be paid back by the end of the 3rd week following the week in question

And the same with Thurs 18th.

So I am of the opinion that, if I have already shown a 45 hour weekly rest in week one, then the 24 hour weekly rest is only to stop me working more than 6x24hour periods and does not need compensating,

But my friend says ANY weekly rest period must be paid back, even if two are shown within the same ministry week.

Any thoughts?

Your friend is wrong and you are right, you’ve had full weekly rest period in weeks 1 and 3 and a reduced weekly rest period in week 2 and that’s all that’s legally required, the reduced daily rest periods in weeks 1 and 3 only serve the legal purpose of allowing you to start another six 24 hour periods.

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cheers

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It’s simple.

The regulations require one weekly rest period per week and any rest periods over and above that are pretty much surplus to requirements.

In a week:

One full weekly rest period - No compensation.

One reduced - Compensation required.

One full and one reduced - No compensation.

Two reduced - Compensation required for one, your choice.

I remember a multi page thread on this very subject a while back. I was pretty much a lone voice saying the extra rest periods did not require compensation but finally ROG, Tachograph and others saw the light, especially when ‘VOSA’ chipped in and confirmed it. :wink: :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue:

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Coffeeholic:
I remember a multi page thread on this very subject a while back. I was pretty much a lone voice saying the extra rest periods did not require compensation but finally ROG, Tachograph and others saw the light, especially when ‘VOSA’ chipped in and confirmed it. :wink: :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue:

I seem to remember that was not me saying that but I was trying to say that the time used for the extra weekly rest could be used for two different purposes which was incorrect :blush: