ROG:
Conor:
Why? As a new driver he has HAD to do the tacho module so has been taught.Where did you get that incorrect piece of info from ?
Rog, if that bit of information is wrong then someone high up needs a rocket somewhere. The hours laws should be mandatory for all new drivers
Henrys cat:
ROG:
Conor:
Why? As a new driver he has HAD to do the tacho module so has been taught.Where did you get that incorrect piece of info from ?
Rog, if that bit of information is wrong then someone high up needs a rocket somewhere. The hours laws should be mandatory for all new drivers
I think ROG’s point is that you can (if you like) do the same DCPC module 5 times and gain the required 35 hours. I struggle to imagine why anyone would choose to do this as it would make a boring day even more boring if you have done it 4 times before, but it is still possible. You are right about someone high up needing a rocket somewhere!
BTW driving hours were not mentioned once during my training (with a DSA approved school).
All I know about driving hours came from 7.5t puddle jumper driving years ago, a little bit of revision for the theory test, copious research on the transports-friend website and very helpful advice from people on this forum.
Wouldn’t it be a good idea to get a free little book from the examiner written in sensible english with real life examples once you pass…?!
I would have thought that drivers hours would be part of the initial driver cpc
Perhaps well worth emphasising for the benefit of the OP:
The hours that count towards your 13 hr, 15hr or however long day start at the time you clock on/sign on, NOT when you put the card/chart in the vehicle - WHATEVER the boss might say. Likewise at the end of the day.
Waiting for 10 page argument about what happens when you run out of driving or working time and somehow get back to collect your car and go home.
Conor:
Scanner:
Good man. The guy makes a mistake and asks for advice, you blaspheme and rant at him.Because this is basic stuff that you MUST know. It is even more inexcusable if they’ve had to do the DCPC to drive commercially.
And we wonder why the job has deskilled and Nobby Dents wants to pay £6.66 per hour !
If he is a new driver his training company are [ zb] , and if he has had a licence for years hopefully the 35hrs of crap school will finish him off!
cav551:
The hours that count towards your 13 hr, 15hr or however long day start at the time you clock on/sign on, NOT when you put the card/chart in the vehicle - WHATEVER the boss might say. Likewise at the end of the day.
What rubbish. If i’m down for a 5.00am start i’ll clock in at about 4.50 and neck a coffee back. Then about 5.00 just gone i’ll get my notes and keys and go and check over my unit, insert my card and do a manual entry showing i started at 5.00am. Some drivers will be in work a good 20 mins or more before their start time just to maybe chill have a tea or whatever.
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Just think, I know the rules and English is my first language, I’m going to cut my grass, No Driving Hours, no WTD, no VOSA.Pure bliss!
Finished my grass 10mins ago and the showers have started, But I still miss the Old days of trucking!
stevenwignet:
Sign on 04.50am
Get keys to vehicle and insert card 05.40am
Remove card 22.50pm
Driving hours was 7h 17m
Other Work was 8h 1mTotal duty 17.5h
was a hell of a long day but was it legal?
I thought it is only allowed to drive lorries if you have that little plactic card in your wallet (I think they call it driving licence). The only way I knew that you can get one of this was to know basics like that.
Do you all still think that DCPC training is the waste of time.
Christ on stick, how many so called professional drivers are there on the road that haven’t got a bloody clue !!! WTD, drivers hrs etc etc is by no means rocket science, pull your fingers out & learn for those that are clueless.
Scary stuff indeed!!! Many drivers slate DCPC…then this thread comes… we need more info. from OP i.e. Is he a new driver? Has he done Initial DCPC (Drivers’ Hours not necessarily covered in Module 2, defo. not covered in Mod. 4). Has he done any DCPC Periodic Training? Was it multi-manning?
Some drivers recently on DCPC Module didn’t even understand swapping analogue charts over on multi-manning work…and they’d done multi-manning shifts…“I just changed that little switch number two onto drive, when it was my turn to drive”!!! (actually switched it onto POA) “I didn’t know I had to touch the charts”!!!
They were VERY experienced drivers…what chance have we got■■?
Don’t tar all new drivers with the same brush! If I don’t know, I find out, or ask, not carry on optimistically!
I printed out this: transportsfriend.org/hours/rest.html and referred to it until I (mainly) got it. People like ROG and tachograph are very helpful (and patient) over on the new drivers forum if you ask questions.
stevenwignet:
Sign on 04.50am
Get keys to vehicle and insert card 05.40am
Remove card 22.50pm
Driving hours was 7h 17m
Other Work was 8h 1mTotal duty 17.5h
was a hell of a long day but was it legal?
Yes no problem just use your other log book 
Scanner:
Conor:
stevenwignet:
i had a feeling it was well over the limit but had not much choice as had drivers mate with me and had to return them, at least i know my limits now. Just thought I could get away with it due to limited driving hours, i keep forgetting poa, other work all goes towards a working dayJesus christ words fail me. THIS IS NODDY STUFF.
You had no choice than to stop at 19:30 and the fact you had a drivers mate with you does not change that. Its your employers problem to sort out getting the drivers mate back, not yours.
Seriously if you can’t even get the basics right you should pack in driving before you end up in court or even worse, doing a stretch in prison. Unlike car driving offences, a lot of stuff with lorries can end up with you doing bird. Persistent disregard for drivers hours and rest breaks is one of them.
By the way you can only do three 15hrs a week, the rest are 13hrs. “My boss told me to do it” and “I had a drivers mate” are not a defence.
Good man. The guy makes a mistake and asks for advice, you blaspheme and rant at him. What a lovely fellow you must be.
It’s Conor what else do u expect lol I thought that was quite lenient by his standards 
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Driving hours and duty time are part of the bloody theory test before you have even sat in a lorry let alone do any cpc modules!!!
So, the O/P did 18 hrs on duty, meaning he had inssuficient rest by 3 hrs, which is 1 offence, if he didnt take a 9 off like your supposed to and took 6 hrs rest is that 2 offences?
Karl86:
Scanner:
Conor:
stevenwignet:
i had a feeling it was well over the limit but had not much choice as had drivers mate with me and had to return them, at least i know my limits now. Just thought I could get away with it due to limited driving hours, i keep forgetting poa, other work all goes towards a working dayJesus christ words fail me. THIS IS NODDY STUFF.
You had no choice than to stop at 19:30 and the fact you had a drivers mate with you does not change that. Its your employers problem to sort out getting the drivers mate back, not yours.
Seriously if you can’t even get the basics right you should pack in driving before you end up in court or even worse, doing a stretch in prison. Unlike car driving offences, a lot of stuff with lorries can end up with you doing bird. Persistent disregard for drivers hours and rest breaks is one of them.
By the way you can only do three 15hrs a week, the rest are 13hrs. “My boss told me to do it” and “I had a drivers mate” are not a defence.
Good man. The guy makes a mistake and asks for advice, you blaspheme and rant at him. What a lovely fellow you must be.
It’s Conor what else do u expect lol I thought that was quite lenient by his standards
And did it need to be over 3 pages, lol.
To many parrots on ere haha.
Boo9729:
Christ on stick, how many so called professional drivers are there on the road that haven’t got a bloody clue !!! WTD, drivers hrs etc etc is by no means rocket science, pull your fingers out & learn for those that are clueless.
The clue is in the myriad of wrong answers to questions such as these asked on here. When interviewing and assessing drivers back in my days as a TM and later a consultant, wasn’t uncommon for even HGV 1 drivers with years of experience to get basic things wrong. Part of the problem lies with those who think that because they’ve held the licence for X number of years, they know everything, and I’ve even had blokes argue the toss with me even when confronted with the most up-to-date copy of Croner’s.
Back in those days, when everyone had 7.5 entitlement, it was perhaps a bit more forgiveable for drivers of same to be ignorant of the rules, but I’d suggest that nowadays there’s no such excuse.
I was another who was somewhat cynical about DCPC, but nowadays when your personal freedom can be compromised by consistently filling in charts wrongly or deliberately flouting the rules, it’s simply not worth getting it wrong.
Conor:
Jesus christ words fail me. THIS IS NODDY STUFF.
By the way you can only do three 15hrs a week, the rest are 13hrs.
By the way you can only do three 15hrs between weekly rest periods, the rest are 13hrs. You could do six 15hrs in a week. THIS IS NODDY STUFF.
Have you considered a driver’s hours course because this is really basic stuff to be getting wrong?