Hi guys sorry for the what probably will be a noobie question, but i just want to be 100% clear on the actual process,
I thought it went something like this …
1. MEDICAL
2. APPLY FOR PROVISIONAL ENTITLEMENTS (inc sending licence + D2 + D4 completed forms)
3. THEORY TEST + HAZARD PERCEPTION (both done at same time)
4. PRACTICAL TEST (after completing assessment drives, days of training etc)
5. CPC Training (4 modules) (2 theory + 2 practical) - (then 35 hours every 5 years)
However, it appears during the theory there is another test for post 1997 test passers (car) which is part of CPC ? This is where im getting confused,
Help ? 
I know they really confused things when they wrote the names. You’re pretty much correct:
- Medical
- Licence plus D4 form (signed at medical)
- Theory test & hazard perception (aka. CPC module 1a and 1b)
- Case studies theory test (aka. CPC module 2)
- Practical test [ie: your driving lessons & test] (CPC module 3)
- Demonstration practical test (CPC module 4)
Module 2 is essentially similar to the original theory test, except they take a senario and ask you a few questions about it. It’s easier than many of the online training schemes will make you think so don’t worry about it. You can take this the same day as the other theory & hazard perception if you want.
Module 4 is so far as I can figure, a demonstration about knowledge beyond driving such as how to check for illegal stowaways, checking for drugs, which type of restraint you would use for a particular task etc. I’m doing mine in about 2 weeks along with the practical test bit.
Essentially everything seems to be lumped under “CPC” these days, but it can get confusing as the government web sites aren’t very good at explaining it and it took me a lot of reading on here to figure it. Don’t worry too much about the 35 hour stuff at this point as that’s for after you’ve passed your test and the 5 following years.*
- Peter will likely give more information on getting credits towards this but I don’t want to confuse the issue.
ROG’s signature and links are a good place to go! 
trevHCS:
I know they really confused things when they wrote the names. You’re pretty much correct:
- Medical
- Licence plus D4 form (signed at medical)
- Theory test & hazard perception (aka. CPC module 1a and 1b)
- Case studies theory test (aka. CPC module 2)
- Practical test [ie: your driving lessons & test] (CPC module 3)
- Demonstration practical test (CPC module 4)
Module 2 is essentially similar to the original theory test, except they take a senario and ask you a few questions about it. It’s easier than many of the online training schemes will make you think so don’t worry about it. You can take this the same day as the other theory & hazard perception if you want.
Module 4 is so far as I can figure, a demonstration about knowledge beyond driving such as how to check for illegal stowaways, checking for drugs, which type of restraint you would use for a particular task etc. I’m doing mine in about 2 weeks along with the practical test bit.
Essentially everything seems to be lumped under “CPC” these days, but it can get confusing as the government web sites aren’t very good at explaining it and it took me a lot of reading on here to figure it. Don’t worry too much about the 35 hour stuff at this point as that’s for after you’ve passed your test and the 5 following years.*
- Peter will likely give more information on getting credits towards this but I don’t want to confuse the issue.
Ah ok i see, thanks for the reply trev,
Im actually looking at peters company having to travel but might be worth it in the end, Also like the sound of the prize draw 
Its probably going to be a bit easier letting an experienced company do the rest as im not far away from my theory or cpc stage 1 now that i know thats what it is, then can get the rest done for CLASS 2 inc CPC all in one,
Next step will be getting the provisional C + E then doing it all over again but i assume its a lot less as i would have done the CPC training already ? hopefully lol,
One step at a time eh,
All good fun
C+E is practical only, plus 2 insignificantly easy questions like “How would you check the windscreen washers on this vehicle?”
Before the question can be correctly answered, we need to know if you already hold a C1 (7.5tonne) licence probably by passing car test before 1997. If you did, then you hold a “lapsed” driver cpc gained on grandfather rights. To get this back you would normally complete 35 hours of periodic training. Often this is done in a classroom and there is no pass/fail. But, if you’re in this group, you can gain cpc credits from your practical driver training - provided that your trainer is approved to do this. (Ask the question).
The alternative is that anyone passing their car test after 1997 and not holding a C1 will need Initial driver cpc. This is referred to as Modules 2 and 4. Mod 2 is a case studies test taken at the theory test centre. Mod 4 is a practical demonstration test which includes checks for illegal immigrants, drugs etc. You will also need to carry out daily checks on the vehicle. You may have to select the correct type of load restraint and demonstrate it’s use on a demonstration trolley.
Those in the pre 97 group can elect to go for Mods 2 and 4 but this is relatively new and the computer systems cant cope with it. I don’t suggest it as the way forward because of the delays.
I will mention that Trucknet users booking full C, CE or D courses with us get whatever the required driver cpc completely free of charge.
Hope this helps, Pete 
PS just seen your new post. Tell me which group you’re in and I’ll advise you as to the most painless way of getting sorted!
Evil8Beezle:
C+E is practical only, plus 2 insignificantly easy questions like “How would you check the windscreen washers on this vehicle?”
Cool thanks for the info Bezzle,
Is it the same price generally in your opinion as the CLASS 2 with CPC , I saw on peters site it was (with the offer) £1215 for each CLASS 1 AND CLASS 2 ?
Peter Smythe:
Before the question can be correctly answered, we need to know if you already hold a C1 (7.5tonne) licence probably by passing car test before 1997. If you did, then you hold a “lapsed” driver cpc gained on grandfather rights. To get this back you would normally complete 35 hours of periodic training. Often this is done in a classroom and there is no pass/fail. But, if you’re in this group, you can gain cpc credits from your practical driver training - provided that your trainer is approved to do this. (Ask the question).
The alternative is that anyone passing their car test after 1997 and not holding a C1 will need Initial driver cpc. This is referred to as Modules 2 and 4. Mod 2 is a case studies test taken at the theory test centre. Mod 4 is a practical demonstration test which includes checks for illegal immigrants, drugs etc. You will also need to carry out daily checks on the vehicle. You may have to select the correct type of load restraint and demonstrate it’s use on a demonstration trolley.
Those in the pre 97 group can elect to go for Mods 2 and 4 but this is relatively new and the computer systems cant cope with it. I don’t suggest it as the way forward because of the delays.
I will mention that Trucknet users booking full C, CE or D courses with us get whatever the required driver cpc completely free of charge.
Hope this helps, Pete
PS just seen your new post. Tell me which group you’re in and I’ll advise you as to the most painless way of getting sorted!
Just seen your new post sorry pete,
Yes i believe i hold a c1 already, can check as my licence is hopefully in swansea,
But been driving 3.5t long wheel bases now and then and others up until now all with proper checks with the companies etc so yeah 99% c1 entitlement is on there.
Wee Man:
Evil8Beezle:
C+E is practical only, plus 2 insignificantly easy questions like “How would you check the windscreen washers on this vehicle?”
Cool thanks for the info Bezzle,
Is it the same price generally in your opinion as the CLASS 2 with CPC , I saw on peters site it was (with the offer) £1215 for each CLASS 1 AND CLASS 2 ?
I did both classes with Pete, excellent school!
Can’t comment on prices including CPC, as I’m old and had C1 on my licence. So I did the periodic CPC, of which i chose ADR as 28 hours of the 35. Training alone, Pete’s prices are the same on both classes.
Ask him!
Easy! The most comfortable and sensible route for you is to gain 14 hours cpc from CAT C training, the same again from CE and I strongly recommend a 1 day tacho and drivers’ course which will provide the remaining 7 hours. This works perfectly if you plan to follow up with CE straight away. If not, then still get 14 hours from CAT C, 7 hours from tacho course and do another 2 days (there’s a big choice of courses) to make up the last 14 hours.
Simply, you have to arrive at 35 hours and these can be made up to suit you. But you have to complete the lot before you can drive professionally.
As an alternative, you could do your ADR which will give you 28 hours and then do a tacho course and that will give you your full 35 hours. (ADR is £405). That will cover you till 2020. But, and this is the clever bit, you can still gain 28 hours from licence acquisition (free of charge) and that will go to the period 2020 - 2025. You will then need to complete 7 hours at some point before 2025.
As mentioned, it’s free with us when you book a course.
Hope this helps again, Pete
Peter Smythe:
Easy! The most comfortable and sensible route for you is to gain 14 hours cpc from CAT C training, the same again from CE and I strongly recommend a 1 day tacho and drivers’ course which will provide the remaining 7 hours. This works perfectly if you plan to follow up with CE straight away. If not, then still get 14 hours from CAT C, 7 hours from tacho course and do another 2 days (there’s a big choice of courses) to make up the last 14 hours.
Simply, you have to arrive at 35 hours and these can be made up to suit you. But you have to complete the lot before you can drive professionally.
As an alternative, you could do your ADR which will give you 28 hours and then do a tacho course and that will give you your full 35 hours. (ADR is £405). That will cover you till 2020. But, and this is the clever bit, you can still gain 28 hours from licence acquisition (free of charge) and that will go to the period 2020 - 2025. You will then need to complete 7 hours at some point before 2025.
As mentioned, it’s free with us when you book a course.
Hope this helps again, Pete
Hi pete,
Yes that sounds good, thanks for explaining the options,
And yes thats 100% what i want to do, CLASS 1, C+E but obviously have to go through CLASS 2 first,
So its possible for me to train with you and do it all in one go ?
It depends how you define “all one go”. It’s impossible to go immediately from C to CE (or Class 2 to Class 1 in old money). When the C test is passed your licence has to be updated at Swansea. For safety, allow 4 weeks for this. It’s often quicker but not longer.
So, depending on how you wanted to play it, you could do your tacho course and CAT C in one hit. That would give you 21 hours. Then, 4 weeks later (or thereabouts) come back and do your CE which will make up the 35 hours.
If you want to involve ADR, come back to me.
Pete
Peter Smythe:
It depends how you define “all one go”. It’s impossible to go immediately from C to CE (or Class 2 to Class 1 in old money). When the C test is passed your licence has to be updated at Swansea. For safety, allow 4 weeks for this. It’s often quicker but not longer.
So, depending on how you wanted to play it, you could do your tacho course and CAT C in one hit. That would give you 21 hours. Then, 4 weeks later (or thereabouts) come back and do your CE which will make up the 35 hours.
If you want to involve ADR, come back to me.
Pete
Yeah i thought you had to get the licence sorted first, but thats ok,
Ok peter what ill do is have a think and i will pm you to discuss further if thats ok ?
ADR as 28 hours… viewtopic.php?f=5&t=128053
By me! 
(Not at Pete’s…)
Evil8Beezle:
ADR as 28 hours… viewtopic.php?f=5&t=128053
By me!
(Not at Pete’s…)
Not at petes ?
Nice post but cant read it all i gotta be up at 6, ill read it all tomorrow, It is something i have thought of, petrol tankers etc (which looks like theres an extra module to ?)
Anyways too sleepy to make sense of it right now,
Night all and thankyou for the help and advice its been excellent.
ADR is a recent addition to our offering. Anyone is welcome to pm me and I always reply. Sweet dreams.
Pete
Peter Smythe:
ADR is a recent addition to our offering. Anyone is welcome to pm me and I always reply. Sweet dreams.
Pete
Ok thanks pete,
So the ADR training covers dangerous goods etc, does it cover tanker driving ?
Yes, the 5 day course covers tankers as well.
Pete
Thanks pete,
Oh I read the post bezzle, very informative cheers.