Intoxicated while in charge of a vehicle

I’m new to trucking and I only drive a 7.5 tonne delivery truck, but I was thinking about more advanced stuff like long distance where the journey can take over a week and I was wondering what happens on my days off. I am not exactly a ■■■■ head but at the weekend, like most people, I like a tipple.

So I was wondering what the score would be if I was drunk, with no intention to drive a truck I was lodging in during my rest days, but had the ignition switched on to charge up the battery to run the fridge, the heater, the microwave and of course the essential jacuzzi supplied with every sleeper truck :unamused:

So in this hypothetical fantasy of mine, I am standing outside the truck with the ignition on having a beer because I don;t have to drive for at least 24 hours and the police come along and see me, drunk with the engine running. I know that by the letter of the law in any ordinary driver setting I would at least end up in a court to explain myself but would a certain amount of leeway be given in the case of a long distance driver on his rest days or would I have to book into a hotel to have access to electricity or are those types of trucks provided with generators or what?

How does that kind of thing work with those sort of long haul jobs?

This comes down to what is called prima facie evidence so the police have to prove that you will in fact intend to drive at the time but they can’t as the tachograph rules state you can’t drive for a 24 or 45 hour period for a weekly rest.

This is similar to a car driver that has too much booze and sleeps it off in the back seat as does not want to wake up the household after a session at the pub, with the keys in the ignition on public land it could be a problem, but gone are the days of the friendly local Bobby who could use discretion and turn a blind eye.

To prove that you may be over the limit at the end of the weekly rest period the police will need to use a scientific expert or a laboratory to calculate how much alcohol will be in the system when they assume you will be driving, these cases are difficult to prove then there is the hip flask defence which means at the time of the alleged offence the alcohol limit was below the prescribed limit but after crashing the car and you get home and later on you have a drink and are now over the prescribed limit.

Body mass, age and ■■■ all affect how everyone is different in how the body and the liver gets rid of alcohol.

An important fact is if the truck stop is private land there is no case to answer in the eyes of the law, on public property and roads is a different matter and they can prosecute.

There are no generators to power up devices and equipment in the lorry, if the truck battery is going flat you will need to run the engine on idle to power them up again.

Sleeping in the cab in the winter the night heater runs independently from the engine and costs pennies per night in diesel to run it,I have heard of unscrupulous bosses tell drivers not to use them to save money.

To get back on the subject the two offences in discussion are being over the prescribed limit for driving while being in charge of a vehicle, you are not driving and it’s private land so no problem, the second offence of being drunk in charge of a vehicle, they can’t prove you will be but the CPS would still argue over the key issue and try it on and ignore the fact that the truck and driver is not going anywhere for 24 or 45 hours later but could only do this if it was public land.

In Europe you can no longer live in the cab on a 45 hour weekly rest period, the employer must book you in to accommodation, if you are caught later and can’t provide evidence that you stayed in a hotel they will fine the driver and the employer, a receipt will suffice as evidence or they will carry out random checks on stationary vehicles and bang hard on the door to check if anyone is inside the cab.

A television documentary about the police showed them trying to prove a foreign driver was over the limit while he was disembarking a cross channel ferry to Portsmouth, the driver came off the ship to start his weekly or daily rest in the port in the days when you could park there but no more, and inside the cab was a half full bottle of Cognac or whiskey, they could not prove he was over the limit when driving off the ship but he was when they found him in the cab, resulting in no charges.

I was in Rugby truck stop over night and there was almighty raucous situation going on, an extremely drunk Polish driver who couldn’t speak or walk tried to drive his truck out of the barrier where you exit, the security man grabbed his keys and the police arrived, he was told to sleep it off and no further action, not even breathalysed but they did call his employer who no doubt gave him grief for giving the company a bad name.

If you collect goods from the gas,fuel or oil refineries in France the office staff test every driver for booze and if over the limit they are told to park up for 9 hours, the Gendarmerie are not called.

In some countries especially Spain it’s illegal to run an engine on idle to power the air conditioning to keep cool all night long , so they fit pods on the cab roof that are independent from the engine,the law is down to the environment and air pollution.

Basically mate without going into specific past scenarios about certain drivers and alcohol, , and the ins and outs and finer points of the law, (which have both already been adequately covered anyway.)…Do wtf you want on your weekend off as long as it is legal or will not frighten the horses . :bulb:

It is YOUR time,.and time OFF the job, just the same as if you are at home.
As long as you are fit and legal to work when your duty time re starts after your weekend rest, it has f/all to do with anybody else. :bulb:

Bring on the urban myths and the ‘‘I know a bloke who’’ stories (aka drivercrap :unamused: ) but basically what I say is true,.I have spent many weekends socially and doing sight seeing in the past with no dramas. …(granted before the stupid rule came in, actually making you leave your cab with all your personal home comforts and kit, to go and book into some crappy lodgings every so often as it is now apparentlly :open_mouth: )
(And dont give all the crap about electric vehicles and generators you mention a second thought just yet either btw.)

Why do so many drivers think because you hold a HGV licence that ‘they’ actually own you,.I know you are new, but. …Don’t believe the hype and drivercrap b/s.:unamused:
The job has deffo turned to basically sh over the years, but it alnt THAT bad yet.

Royrob has made some very sapient, sagacious and perspicacious comments and they didn’t come across as being egregious, nefarious of pernicious.

Henry Stephens:
Royrob has made some very sapient, sagacious and perspicacious comments and they didn’t come across as being egregious, nefarious of pernicious.

Yeah?
Well he did ask.
I seem to remember you using these sesquipidalian descriptive adjectives before on another post. :bulb:

Maybe when you are attempting ostentatiosness or verbal flamboyance to impress, you should maybe display it to a level that is more surreptitious to avoid discernment from those of whom you are trying to galvanize.:wink:

Well you started it. :wink: :laughing:

Not trying to impress anyone.

Henry Stephens:
Not trying to impress anyone.

Good as I was only joking. :smiley:
And trying to figure out your alias. :wink:

I would concentrate on the OP posts and not be concerned to who I am.

Henry Stephens:
I would concentrate on the OP posts and not be concerned to who I am.

Yeah ok will do… but more casually curious than actually ‘concerned’.

Moving on…
. :smiley:

Moving On, the name of Nolan transport as the name was used as an operation in to the investigation by DVSA enforcement a few years ago.

I will put my dictionary away.

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Henry Stephens:
Moving On, the name of Nolan transport as the name was used as an operation in to the investigation by DVSA enforcement a few years ago.

Nice link :sunglasses: ‘Moving on/Nolans’…I see what you did there.
Now that DID impress me. :laughing:

And to stay on thread (as you advised me… :smiley: )…
I reckon Nolans drivers by reputation (accurate or not) will not give a flying one about weekend rest abroad regs. :bulb:

Speaking of Nolans, why do they seem to trundle along motorways at such a slow speed? I passed yet another one on the M4 t’other day who must have been driving at around 30mph! Not illegal certainly and not a problem to me as I tend to look more than 18 inches ahead of my bumper, but I can see such a speed differential causing problems with certain steering wheel attendants.

Nolan’s have the old Dafs and Rob is right , they won’t be in no hotel for their 45, probably sleep inside the trailer to avoid the rozzers.

SCFD:
I’m new to trucking…

If you were out tramping and needed to have a full 45 hours rest, you can no longer do that 45 hours in your cab (see eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2020/1054/oj), your employer is legally obliged to pay for you to stay in a proper facility. If you’re doing a reduced daily rest (minimum 24 hours), can you not do that without getting completely bevvied up?

Yes, you can be done for being drunk in charge of a lorry, less of a risk if you’re in a truck park and don’t make it obvious, a reckless idea if you’re doing it in a layby.

EDIT: the first truck park that springs to mind for me is in South Bank, Middlesbrough. All the car transporters park in there (unsurprisingly, given that area of Boro). What is next door to the Truck Park? Teesport Harbour/Marine Police, whose jurisdiction extends beyond Teesport for two miles, which includes the Truck Park…

Or just keep the cab curtains shut at any location and if the old bill knocks the door ignore them.
They will have to get a warrant from the judge to break in and under what grounds?

I’d file that under the same heading as “things that some drivers reckon are true but in real life, aren’t”

Like the old chestnut that it’s OK to ■■■■ up against your wheel, as long as you reference some old alleged law from sixteen hundred and nought about coach drivers.

Have you heard Police hammering on a door before? :open_mouth: It’s like they’re trying to knock it in
How long could the average driver ignore that?
What if they feel (claim) they had “reasonable grounds” to be concerned for your well-being?

From hja.net/expert-comments/blo … -property/

Police powers to enter your home or other private property
Can the police search my house?
In general the police do not have the right to enter a person’s house or other private premises without their permission.
However, they can enter without a warrant: (go to last entry)
under various statutes which give the police powers of entry into a number of different kinds of premises.

I got stopped by a motorcycle rider who was a Gendarme traffic officer from
Scotland with a ginger beard but originally from Scotland on the Paris Perepherique ring road, and the same day got a tug or pulled by the notorious Pinocchio in Cherbourg.