Dieseldoforme:
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As a brown-nose, I find it easier to follow all my industry’s rules and
regulations to the letter.
I hope you don’t become the Minister for Transport. Imagine the chaos.
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Imagine the chaos? what is that supposed to mean? I’ve been doing this job a bloody long time without accident, incident or fine. Please don’t try making me look a fool because I really could show you a thing or two about lorry driving and the many attributes required to successfully make money. I hold the operator cpc (ocr version) and do know the laws in and out and I certainly know when I am being shafted as per this topic.
So, when they see fit to bring in a law that states they will fine you £1000 for every time they catch you with only one hand on the steering wheel you will of course bend over and take it?
Do you work for Vosa? if so you obviously have a vested interest in operation 100000% to the rules of your industry because that allows your self funding organisation to raise money. Rather than relying on years of experience within the industry you ■■■■■ operate on patronising and revenue raising. Vosa are a major reason for the lack of interest in haulage from new blood.
This is clearly a money making exercise from Vosa and they should be bloody well ashamed of themselves. Why are loads suddenly insecure when for the past 100 years they have been perfectly fine?
The old penalty for major overloading was appearance in court, nowadays it is a fine which actively encourages companies to risk it. The TC will not close down a business because that loses jobs and is bad for publicity so the more I read this ■■■■■■■■ the more of a sham it appears to be.
waynedl:
Aren’t you also supposed to secure the items to the floor of the
trailer using more than their own weight
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To be honest, I’m not sure. I don’t do curtains.
VOSA are responding to a “rumour” that straps coming
from the roof of a curtain sider cannot be used to secure loads.
THAT IS DEFINATELY FALSE.
VOSA are saying that roof straps CAN be used for
pallets NOT MORE than 400 kilos.
But you can no longer put pallets in a curtain sider and expect the curtain
to secure the load. IN MANY CASES YOU WILL BE FINED FOR THAT
AND PREVENTED FROM MOVING.
As I understand it, I would put one ratchet strap across and
over every two pallets and fix them to the trailer bed. I would
need 15 straps for a full load because I would also put two
criss-crossed straps across the two rear pallets. (To stop backward movement)
All straps are rated with tonnage labels so if I had 2 x 1 tonne pallets to
secure, then I would use a 4 tonne strap. (Double the weight)
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Wot a loada bollox.
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Ok superhero, explain this one to me. 26 pallets of coke averaging 1 tonne per pallet. How will you secure these pallets to the trailer over the headboard where there is no chassis to strap to and over the axles where surely a H&S issue could arise?
The internal straps are redundant because they are only good for up to 400kg. The rave is no good because that too is only suitable up to a certain weight so how do the experts at Vosa advise strapping such a load to a vehicle and could they show a video or photos of such a strapped load please?
Truckbling:
Ok superhero, explain this one to me. 26 pallets of coke averaging 1 tonne per pallet. How will you secure these pallets to the trailer over the headboard where there is no chassis to strap to and over the axles where surely a H&S issue could arise?
The internal straps are redundant because they are only good for up to 400kg. The rave is no good because that too is only suitable up to a certain weight so how do the experts at Vosa advise strapping such a load to a vehicle and could they show a video or photos of such a strapped load please?
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“there is no chassis to strap to”
“The rave is no good because that too is only suitable up to a certain weight”
You’ve answered your own question - obviously the trailer is unfit for purpose.
Hire another trailer for the job in hand - and go steady on that coke.
PS. Everyone is entitled to profit sharing and a Christmas Bonus.
4aaaa4dd:
I was fined or should I say the company was fined 1300 euros in Belgium for not having straps on 26 IBC,s 100 euros per strap missing the trailer had side bars but they fined me anyway ? but they also tried to fine me for not having tacho,s showing my weekly rest period ?
Ibc’s move so they were right to fine you in my opinion. I have to fill out a form for every day I don’t work and have to keep 28days with me when I go abroad even if I’m driving a van as this is what they like to see.
cant see were they are going to move to ? 26 ibc,s go headboard to back doors with alloy blanks going all the way down both sides of trailer plus a load bar at the back ? and the filling out of forms is not a legal requirement you do that because you feel that’s what they like to see ? if I put a tacho in my truck to show break at weekends then im not on break ?
Alloy side boards don’t stop them moving, I’ve had full ibc’s move in a euro trailer so I know it happens. It hasn’t got anything to do with how I feel, the company I work for tell us to sign them. I know its not law here but could well be different on the mainland, hense why we have to fill them in, it also stops what happened to you.
Don’t mean to sound dumb but are they saying any pallet over 400 kg needs a ratchet strap over it or is it a case of using 2 or more straps per pallet if your pallet is over 400 kg ?
bald bloke:
Don’t mean to sound dumb but are they saying any pallet over 400 kg needs a ratchet strap over it or is it a case of using 2 or more straps per pallet if your pallet is over 400 kg ?
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You’re not dumb.
As I understand it, one ratchet strap with a 4 Tonne rating to go right over two
1 Tonne pallets that are side by side, across the trailer. (That is - the strap rating
is double whatever it is holding)
No space at the headboard.
PLUS 2 Criss Cross straps to stop the rear pallets moving backwards.
Don’t quote me on that - that part was only discussed at a DriverCPC
that I attended.
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This was a van trailer by the looks of it. It hit the vehicle in front.The driver might have survived the crash, but his load carried on moving and crushed his cab.
Just waiting for someone to say that it couldn’t happen because the weight would have kept it in place.
In my mind straps are no good if they are the internal slide ones in a typical curtain sider. The load must be strapped to the bed and these internal straps are designed to stop it moving over the side or backwards (cross overs). Has VOSA gone too far then? You have a load bearing curtain, internal straps stopping the load moving sideways out of the truck, cross overs stopping it moving backwards and all pushed up against the headboard? I can see the argument for steel and certain other loads but for pallets that are shrink wrapped is it not overkill?
alder:
In my mind straps are no good if they are the internal slide ones in a typical curtain sider. The load must be strapped to the bed and these internal straps are designed to stop it moving over the side or backwards (cross overs). Has VOSA gone too far then? You have a load bearing curtain, internal straps stopping the load moving sideways out of the truck, cross overs stopping it moving backwards and all pushed up against the headboard? I can see the argument for steel and certain other loads but for pallets that are shrink wrapped is it not overkill?
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I think this has a lot to do with accidents, roundabouts and bends where the load has broken free, gone through the curtain and killed innocent motorists or pedestrians.
Society demands that “something has to be done about this”
. . . and now it has been done.
Inconvenience for an HGV Driver is not a consideration.
Let’s hope that none of our families or loved ones are wiped out by a flying load as they enter a roundabout. Trust me, death lasts for quite a long time.
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alder:
In my mind straps are no good if they are the internal slide ones in a typical curtain sider. The load must be strapped to the bed and these internal straps are designed to stop it moving over the side or backwards (cross overs). Has VOSA gone too far then? You have a load bearing curtain, internal straps stopping the load moving sideways out of the truck, cross overs stopping it moving backwards and all pushed up against the headboard? I can see the argument for steel and certain other loads but for pallets that are shrink wrapped is it not overkill?
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I think this has a lot to do with accidents, roundabouts and bends where the load has broken free, gone through the curtain and killed innocent motorists or pedestrians.
Society demands that “something has to be done about this”
. . . and now it has been done.
Inconvenience for an HGV Driver is not a consideration.
Let’s hope that none of our families or loved ones are wiped out by a flying load as they enter a roundabout. Trust me, death lasts for quite a long time.
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I am not on that job anymore but I am still concerned in case I ever have to do it again. THe driver does not mind if he or she is told to strap things properly. I was convinced on the CPC module on safe loading, anything not strapped to the bed not matter how heavy it is will move. The trouble is the driver is not allowed time to do the job. Oh it is fine for people on here to spout off about “don’t do the job then” or “refuse to take that load out” but the reality is YOU lose your job because there is another driver stood behind you willing to take it out and get the job done. It is this aspect that VOSA and the ministry do not address.
The solution is obvious, fine the firm not the driver and VOSA should be able to visit the sites where the loading takes place. That way overnight firms will ensure their drivers follow the procedures to the letter and no load leave the yard unsecured. Won’t happen though.
sdg1970:
My pallet of Mars dogfood is about to fall on your new Audi!!!
Sorry it’s over 400kg though. . .
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God help the Audi.
I’ve carried that stuff from Melton Mowbray to NISA Scunthorpe.
Man… that is heavy [zb]. Even the folklift’s back wheels lifted off the ground !
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Exactly - and it’s a run I still do fairly regularly. Last year Fowler Welch, this year Howdens. It’s a non-profitable route, though Howdens can back load out of, well, Howden…
More relevant here would be the backload of Howden’s ‘in house’ materials. Chipboard, kitchen surfaces et al, all of which have a low surface tension and sheer force. Silly little ‘mid mounted’ straps in a tautliner are not going to stop it moving. Your driving style will though - strapped or not!!!
