Very informative video
You now have Janet Yellen of the [zb] (f-word) reserve saying that “interest rates need to stay down - because of the uncertainty over brexit”.
It’s only people who’ve already paid off their mortgages who also have substantial savings - that want interest rates to rise right now.
The negative equity trap has so far been avoided by keeping rates at a level which underpins house prices - but doesn’t allow them to rally any higher.
They have been on the edge of a cliff for nearly a decade now.
Those banks with their books full of “base rate tracker” mortgages - are the ones most vulnerable.
I probably could call myself a “Fordist” btw.
All in all though - we need to get out of this notion that “debts have to be repaid when they are unjust in the first place”.
All too often we’re told that it is somehow a mortal sin to “default” whereas being a godless atheist is now commonplace, and even considered desirable to climb the greasy pole of politics in the western world today.
If Greece had not been afraid to default - rather than have Tsipras get on his knees before the EU powers to gobble and nosh away - we might now be facing a different situation in THIS country.
There would be no need for a referendum at all - IF the powers actually looked after those citizens that pay the bloody taxes!
Refugees from an oppressive Islamic regime - should be made to renounce that religion as part of the entry conditions to the EU.
Workers both foreign and born here that have not paid into the system at all - should not be entitled to any benefits.
ANYTHING else one pays into - cannot be claimed against for some time after commencing those payments after all - at least for those of us that find ourselves paying and paying more in for less and less out from our own point of view.
The government would do well to announce to the public that “instead of benefit hand-outs - if you find yourselves falling upon hard times - you default rather than claim this and that”.
THIS would encourage those without a job to job at the first thing going, even voluntary work.
I don’t object to “In Work” benefits for those who’ve paid into the system OR have body parts missing/not working outright. I object most strongly to “Means Tested” benefits for those that have NEVER paid into the system AND have nothing outwardly-showing wrong with them. ADHD? OCD? Tourettes? What a load of ■■■■■■■■! These things have only become a problem in society this late in the day - because it’s increasingly hard to get a job now with any “mental history” on your medical records!
We can’t tinker about with our benefits system without the EU’s permission though as it stands. They told us that “If you want to cut benefits - cut them for the disabled first” which our lickcock Tory government attempted to do, taking all the flack over it as if cutting benefits for the actual needy - were there idea.
Labour should be chomping at the bit to win the next election - rather than trying to bring the entire country down by arguing for “remain” as if it were some kind of socialist paradise. It’s NOT.
“Part of the biggest Democracy” Cameron bleats. SO if the majority of EU citizens by 2050 are Muslim, and democratically vote in a Sharia Law government that will stone girls walking down the street wearing belts for dresses, flog gents trying to buy alcohol on the black market, or imprison people for “refusing to convert to Islam”… All nice and Democratic.
Personally, I’d rather not let our Demographics get to the point where our idealistic enemies get to vote us democratically out of existence in the first place.
Muslim Poor vs Zionist Big Business interests - with the center ground occupied by the atheistic masses that have long since deserted religion altogether.
If it’s left too long to put right, we’ll be facing oppressions of our worst nightmares - or our own inquisition to try and get out of it too late in the day.
Next Thursday is the last chance we get to “back out of that road to hell” peacefully.
If we don’t take up that last opportunity to Leave the EU - the price we’ll ALL eventually pay is too horrible to contemplate. 
Winseer:
You now have Janet Yellen of the [zb] (f-word) reserve saying that “interest rates need to stay down - because of the uncertainty over brexit”.It’s only people who’ve already paid off their mortgages who also have substantial savings - that want interest rates to rise right now.
The negative equity trap has so far been avoided by keeping rates at a level which underpins house prices - but doesn’t allow them to rally any higher.
They have been on the edge of a cliff for nearly a decade now.Those banks with their books full of “base rate tracker” mortgages - are the ones most vulnerable.
I probably could call myself a “Fordist” btw.
All in all though - we need to get out of this notion that “debts have to be repaid when they are unjust in the first place”.
All too often we’re told that it is somehow a mortal sin to “default” whereas being a godless atheist is now commonplace, and even considered desirable to climb the greasy pole of politics in the western world today.
If Greece had not been afraid to default - rather than have Tsipras get on his knees before the EU powers to gobble and nosh away - we might now be facing a different situation in THIS country.
There would be no need for a referendum at all - IF the powers actually looked after those citizens that pay the bloody taxes!
Refugees from an oppressive Islamic regime - should be made to renounce that religion as part of the entry conditions to the EU.
Workers both foreign and born here that have not paid into the system at all - should not be entitled to any benefits.
ANYTHING else one pays into - cannot be claimed against for some time after commencing those payments after all - at least for those of us that find ourselves paying and paying more in for less and less out from our own point of view.The government would do well to announce to the public that “instead of benefit hand-outs - if you find yourselves falling upon hard times - you default rather than claim this and that”.
THIS would encourage those without a job to job at the first thing going, even voluntary work.
I don’t object to “In Work” benefits for those who’ve paid into the system OR have body parts missing/not working outright. I object most strongly to “Means Tested” benefits for those that have NEVER paid into the system AND have nothing outwardly-showing wrong with them. ADHD? OCD? Tourettes? What a load of ■■■■■■■■! These things have only become a problem in society this late in the day - because it’s increasingly hard to get a job now with any “mental history” on your medical records!We can’t tinker about with our benefits system without the EU’s permission though as it stands. They told us that “If you want to cut benefits - cut them for the disabled first” which our lickcock Tory government attempted to do, taking all the flack over it as if cutting benefits for the actual needy - were there idea.
Labour should be chomping at the bit to win the next election - rather than trying to bring the entire country down by arguing for “remain” as if it were some kind of socialist paradise. It’s NOT.
“Part of the biggest Democracy” Cameron bleats. SO if the majority of EU citizens by 2050 are Muslim, and democratically vote in a Sharia Law government that will stone girls walking down the street wearing belts for dresses, flog gents trying to buy alcohol on the black market, or imprison people for “refusing to convert to Islam”… All nice and Democratic.Personally, I’d rather not let our Demographics get to the point where our idealistic enemies get to vote us democratically out of existence in the first place.
Muslim Poor vs Zionist Big Business interests - with the center ground occupied by the atheistic masses that have long since deserted religion altogether.
If it’s left too long to put right, we’ll be facing oppressions of our worst nightmares - or our own inquisition to try and get out of it too late in the day.Next Thursday is the last chance we get to “back out of that road to hell” peacefully.
If we don’t take up that last opportunity to Leave the EU - the price we’ll ALL eventually pay is too horrible to contemplate.
Bloody well said mate, although I know we will be shouted down as racists etc in the next few posts. All by the same ill informed who still think Powell was racist, and those “poor souls” on Calais need our help. I’m of a centre ground view, ie socialism for the working man, not money for nothing, or labour for little. You should still be able to get housing from the state, providing you pay for it, not because you’ve just fallen off the back of a lorry, or because you popped out a dozen kids. It’s very wrong when working people have a foot on their heads, given just enough air to breathe
andy187:
Very informative video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y&feature=youtu.be
Thanks for the video mate, very informative.
Dolph:
andy187:
Very informative video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y&feature=youtu.beThanks for the video mate, very informative.
I didn’t need to watch any further than the first 2 minutes. He’s worked “independently” for the government, financial institutions and the bbc, so how’s that independent then? He’s been paid to find reasons to remain. That’s not impartial. He’s voting in partly because he’s being forced to, probably by the very people that have paid him. The remain campaign have used “dodgy statistics” but leave are spouting lies. Just tripe dressed up as something edible for the peasants
He gives both sides if you where to listen.
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andy187:
He gives both sides if you where to listen.Sent from my HTC One A9 using Tapatalk
You must have watched a different video then, as all I heard was a biased view of remain is the only option, because this country has no way of standing on its own feet 
andy187:
He gives both sides if you where to listen.
How can anyone ‘give’ ‘both sides’ regarding the simple black or white choice between sovereign Nation State or Federation. 
Bearing in mind that this is the usual result when the two totally opposing ideologies inevitably meet each other head on sooner or later.The bad guys in the tanks are the Federalist JNA trying to enforce Federation over Nation by the way.Although remainers might see it differently.
OVLOV JAY:
There’s no chance of improvement of we stay in. Once ttip goes through, that’ll be the nhs, education, police, fire service all going public. I’m not looking forward to it at all
Yes. If the NHS fails (due to American Corporations putting Profit above Lives) - These same Corporations will SUE the British government for billions, and British taxes would have to be raised to supply that money that then crosses the Atlantic, and disappears into oligarch’s accounts never to be seen again.
Lose/Lose with a fine for taking part, an entry fee for just being in the room, and the payoff? - A cushy job for a few select elite politicians and big business boardroom folk. The rest of us? Saddled with debt that then becomes a criminal offence to default. Like other forms of political correctness - “Paying your Debts” has been creeping toward “Criminal Activity” these past few years. It won’t be long before Welching on your credit cards is considered more of a cardinal sin than killing women and children with gung-ho militias in a country stolen from the innocents in the first place.
Of course, that is already the case if you are a gentile living in Jerusalem.
If we don’t get our independence then - I suggest that we all go on “Interest Payment Strike” where that interest is anything more than 1% above our Bank of England base rate. Funny how credit card interest never fell with the rest of the market eh? Where does all that money paid in “overcharged interest” go doya think? 
andy187:
He gives both sides if you where to listen.Sent from my HTC One A9 using Tapatalk
The problem with the entire issue here is that people NEED to be biased on this one.
… It’s like being biased against Paedophiles, or Biased against a nutcase that has threatened to murder your entire family. You don’t try and meet these people halfway - you lock them up and/or destroy them! There IS no “Middle Way” here. It’s wholesome, right and proper to be 100% biased against such criminals.
“Care in the community” is probably what had that nutter Mair was at large for - allowing him to kill.
I’m not Racist, sizeist, misogynist, ageist, or anything else that fools try to brand me with.
I just hate the type of criminal that is a full-blown enemy of the public with a passion. I wish we could have the death penalty back so we could solve some of the serious problems in society once and for all - that society is filling up fast with ever-more public enemies that should be looking at the walls of a padded cell rather than “which public figure can I easily murder next?”
Winseer:
If we don’t get our independence then - I suggest that we all go on “Interest Payment Strike” where that interest is anything more than 1% above our Bank of England base rate. Funny how credit card interest never fell with the rest of the market eh? Where does all that money paid in “overcharged interest” go doya think?
Great idea default on your debts, 'cause that ain’t going to screw up your life, as for where the interest goes,their profits, do you think companies should not make money?
del trotter:
Winseer:
If we don’t get our independence then - I suggest that we all go on “Interest Payment Strike” where that interest is anything more than 1% above our Bank of England base rate. Funny how credit card interest never fell with the rest of the market eh? Where does all that money paid in “overcharged interest” go doya think?Great idea default on your debts, 'cause that ain’t going to screw up your life, as for where the interest goes,their profits, do you think companies should not make money?
Ask yourself the question “WHY does defaulting debts currently have that aspect of screwing up one’s life”?
If you thought someone richer than you owed you money - they’d easily side-step paying you out, citing “no contract in law” and stuff like that.
Rich people make laws that allow money to flow uphill rather than downhill as those closer to the bottom would have it. The entire question of “Why do the rich get richer and the poor get poorer” is more about perception of what’s right and wrong rather than any concept of personal morality, honour, or feeling of indebtedness.
There is this urban myth that an applicant to the Investment Bank Goldman Sachs gets asked a question:
“If you lost $200million of the banks money, how would that make you feel?”
A cavalier attitude would have you shown the door of course.
“I’d kill my wife and kids - for being such a failure” - gets you the job.
Someone who’s staked their entire life of their entire menagerie upon their investment decisions - is someone who is careful about winning, but keeps on winning once they start.
Investment banks are looking for people who’ve already sold their souls for the pursuit of profit - rather than “Nick Leeson” types who have any concept of helping out those beneath them, risking those above them in that process.
Now let’s ask you the question: WHY does defaulting your debts “Ruin your life” as you put it?
Are we talking about secured debt (the only “real” debt) or unsecured debt (which banks lend to us on the basis that “we’ll be better off in the future, because of positive inflation pushing up wages”)
Unsecured debt is an illusion. These bankers have managed to get some chomp to agree to pay over-the-odds interest payments. The next thing they want to do with such a “Mug” is make it so they keep on paying that interest - but little of the actual debt, thus prolonging it for as long as possible. THIS is socially unacceptable, but that is turned on it’s head by the notion that “default” is somehow immoral, or invites harsh punishments either socially or in law. It’s all rubbish of course. The only thing one loses if one defaults unsecured debt - is the ability to borrow MORE unsecured debt for a period of six years.
So… Everyone who owes money, and then falls upon hard times pay cut, loses job, ill health, divorce - loads of reasons why we could be worse off in a decade than at the present
should default their debt - to get themselves back on their feet again. Presumably that person is NOT thinking about “Borrowing more money” by this point (even when the lender offers to lend it!)
There’s even the further cons of bankruptcy and IVA to reel in a few more mug punters that were otherwise on the verge of defaulting, and decide to keep on paying instead. Doh!
If you are skint - default. If you are illiquid on the other hand - NEVER default. The banks again - make a fortune out of “liars” that attempt to default when they are still richer than most people you walk past down the street… Eg. Someone who owns their £200k house, but loses their job - is NOT “skint”. Try and go bankrupt like THAT - and you’ll lose the house!
A renter though? Someone on benefits though? - The bank should not be lending such people money in the first place. YET they offer unsecured loans to people unlikely to ever pay it back - whilst refusing mortgages despite the fact that the bank’s risk is PROTECTED with a loan secured upon property.
By rights, there should be a massive number of people in this country defaulting right now. But people’s peer group would tell them that “To default is socially unacceptable” as if defaulting put one on a par with “tramp” or “benefit scrounger” or even “kiddie fiddler”. The peer group are at fault. It’s better to default a debt when you are genuinely skint - than pretend you can somehow “keep going” - and then end up killing your wife and kids - which is becoming more frequent these days.
People that don’t even believe in God any more - should have NO bother kicking the nearest bank in the balls for good reason. They don’t though. People have made the banks “gods” then I suggest. This trend needs to reverse before the bankers take over the entire planet at the top end. Staying in the EU helps out those same banks A LOT. 
other organisations in which I support remaining
CMR
TIR
CITES
NATO
Interpol
Geneva Convention
UNICEF
UNESCO
European Space Agency
United Nations
International Air Traffic Covention
Some may remember I posted in this thread back in February about the referendum to be held in The Netherlands regarding the accession of Ukraine. All of the other 27 members ratified the Treaty of Association except The Netherlands:
The upcoming treaty of association between the EU and Ukraine has to be ratified by all 28 members. Only the fact that GeenPeil, a Dutch political website, gathered enough signatures to initiate a referendum effectively stopped the Netherlands from ratifying the treaty. The referendum is due on the 6th April 2016 with polls showing 75% voting NO. The EU’s answer to this legal referendum complying with EU rules . . . is to completely ignore it and press on with Ukraines application.
The referendum complied with all the rules and regs of The Netherlands and EU and was rejected by 61% of the voters. Instead of the Ukraine’s application faltering at that stage the EU issued a statement that all of Ukraine’s citizens were eligible for visa travel within the EU.
Leave while you can, your vote will never again make a difference in Brussels
Stanley Knife:
Some may remember I posted in this thread back in February about the referendum to be held in The Netherlands regarding the accession of Ukraine. All of the other 27 members ratified the Treaty of Association except The Netherlands:The upcoming treaty of association between the EU and Ukraine has to be ratified by all 28 members. Only the fact that GeenPeil, a Dutch political website, gathered enough signatures to initiate a referendum effectively stopped the Netherlands from ratifying the treaty. The referendum is due on the 6th April 2016 with polls showing 75% voting NO. The EU’s answer to this legal referendum complying with EU rules . . . is to completely ignore it and press on with Ukraines application.
The referendum complied with all the rules and regs of The Netherlands and EU and was rejected by 61% of the voters. Instead of the Ukraine’s application faltering at that stage the EU issued a statement that all of Ukraine’s citizens were eligible for visa travel within the EU.
Leave while you can, your vote will never again make a difference in Brussels
Not to mention that Russia will probably regard it as an act of war,at least if Eastern Ukraine is involved,with probable retaliation against the Baltic States first.Then Poland kicks off in retaliation.At which point all bets are off when the conscription papers start dropping on doormats and the Labour vote realises the real meaning of ‘peace in Europe’.
Gota Get Up Gota Get Out, Take The World By The Throat and Shout, Bye It Sell It , The Games Getting Hard The Eu Dealing You A Loseing Card ,
Joey boswell.
Get out
Popcorn anyone?
the nodding donkey:
Popcorn anyone?
No thanks, I’ve a home made curry, a beer and I’m going to watch the footy!
But you fill your boots pal! 
Euro:
other organisations in which I support remaining
CMR
TIR
CITES
NATO
Interpol
Geneva Convention
UNICEF
UNESCO
European Space Agency
United Nations
International Air Traffic Covention
■■?
Euro:
NATO
Let me guess which by implication also supports Ukraine joining.What could possibly go wrong. Hopefully it will be a remain vote just to hear all those remain Socialist students start whingeing about refusing their call up papers for the Russian front when it all inevitably kicks off.Might as well standardise on all German markings in that case so as to avoid any confusion and friendly fire incidents. 
