Carryfast:
If ‘retrospective deportation’ supposedly leads to so called Brownshirts running a mock then how do explain exactly that situation not leading to same regards exactly that situation in places like Canada,NZ and Australia and US.IE they deport loads of people who chose to go there to build a new life on a daily routine basis through retrospective withdrawal of work/residency status.No surprise without a Brownshirt involved in the process anywhere whatsoever.In which case how does retrospective removal of work/residency status supposedly suddenly result in ■■■■ Brownshirts running a mock in this case.
As for that causing a so called ‘vacuum’ bs.
Why wouldn’t it ‘suit us’ to get out,of a Federal zb pile,that we’ve already rightly decided,is costing us money and imposing foreign government on us,as soon as possible.
We, or rather YOU are not talking about places that people emigrate to and for some reason or other lose their right to work! No, instead we are talking about people being expelled from a country that until a (couple of days ago), they were free to go and live and work in, it’s not quite the same is it■■?
We have plenty of bellends in this country, and fringe parties that are gaining support! So you with your retrospective deportation are doing noting to appease that! 
But do carry on with your brown shirts issue, as you’re like a dog with a bone, I’m just unsure if you want to eat it or hump it! 
So who is going to fill the jobs that millions of EU migrants are currently doing pal, are the workshy twonks that would rather be on benefits going to do it? No, I thought not…
Evil8Beezle:
Carryfast:
If ‘retrospective deportation’ supposedly leads to so called Brownshirts running a mock then how do explain exactly that situation not leading to same regards exactly that situation in places like Canada,NZ and Australia and US.IE they deport loads of people who chose to go there to build a new life on a daily routine basis through retrospective withdrawal of work/residency status.No surprise without a Brownshirt involved in the process anywhere whatsoever.In which case how does retrospective removal of work/residency status supposedly suddenly result in ■■■■ Brownshirts running a mock in this case.
As for that causing a so called ‘vacuum’ bs.
Why wouldn’t it ‘suit us’ to get out,of a Federal zb pile,that we’ve already rightly decided,is costing us money and imposing foreign government on us,as soon as possible.
We, or rather YOU are not talking about places that people emigrate to and for some reason or other lose their right to work! No, instead we are talking about people being expelled from a country that until a (couple of days ago), they were free to go and live and work in, it’s not quite the same is it■■?
We have plenty of bellends in this country, and fringe parties that are gaining support! So you with your retrospective deportation are doing noting to appease that! But do carry on with your brown shirts issue, as you’re like a dog with a bone, I’m just unsure if you want to eat it or hump it!
So who is going to fill the jobs that millions of EU migrants are currently doing pal, are the workshy twonks that would rather be on benefits going to do it? No, I thought not…
What’s the difference between someone who was ‘free’ to go to Canada or NZ or US to live and work but for whatever reason then loses that status.The only difference in this case being a different reason for losing their status.IE in one case a type of job retrospectively removed from the foreign worker visa scheme or a work visa running out before PR is granted.While in our case a retrospective change in free movement regs owing to secession from a Federal system.While as I’ve said it’s only your bs ideological position that turns that simple rule change into a ■■■■ Brownshirt situation all in your bs indoctrinated imagination.
As for your Socialist immigration position combined with a Thatcherite employment policy that brands our own workers as ‘workshy twonks’ that would rather be on benefits.Great keep digging because it’s that type of zb which will kick Corbyn out much quicker hopefully to be replaced by a real Labour leader.As for you being a supposed Leave voter if so I’m ashamed to be associated with you.
Carryfast. You are wasting your time. There is a very good tv series, which gives a concise insight into how politics really work. Google ‘Yes Minister’, it might open your eyes.
I heard some eu beaurocrat on Bloomberg last night saying there will not be a deal with the uk, the drawbridge is up and they want the formal process to start by tomorrow so we can get out. That’s fine with me. There’s elections in France and Germany next year. They employ over 3m people who rely on exports to the uk. Let’s see what vw and bmw etc have to say about it all. Best thing we can do is take our time and wait for them to come to us
So now the dreaded punishment budget won’t happen until a new administration comes in in October. So that will be never then George, as you won’t be in number 11. Another remain scare story floating out the window
Listening to our George this morning he appears to be on the same wavelength as me (not sure if that’s a good thing), whereby the triggering of article 50 is bad for Britain, akin to chucking the baby out with the bathwater.
By negotiating our exit before triggering it we are already on the verge of a treaty breach or two. Reminding us of this could be the EU’s next move to apply pressure.
Oh well in for a penny in for a pound, thank goodness we didn’t adopt the Euro.
Dipper_Dave:
Listening to our George this morning he appears to be on the same wavelength as me (not sure if that’s a good thing), whereby the triggering of article 50 is bad for Britain, akin to chucking the baby out with the bathwater.
By negotiating our exit before triggering it we are already on the verge of a treaty breach or two. Reminding us of this could be the EU’s next move to apply pressure.
Oh well in for a penny in for a pound, thank goodness we didn’t adopt the Euro.
Although once we leave and if we were to reapply in the future, UK will have to adopt the Euro
True but I reckon there’s more chance of us creating a new improved EU in the future with other countries that leave the present ■■■■■■■■■■■ in years to come.
I think that free movement of people will stay, because
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Our ruling class want the cheap labour
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The referendum was not about ending immigration, it was just in or out of EU and there are the examples of Swiss and Norway . Who both allow free movement but are outside of the EU
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The EU will force us to, if even Switzerland which is one of the most independent minded places in the world have to allow all Europe in to work and live, I’m sure we will need to
tommy t:
Which part of the people have spoken did that tool not understand i wonder
Don’t necessarily look at Corbyn for the mess Labour are in over the past week. Two Labour MP’s put forward a Motion of No Confidence on the Friday, Benn makes it obvious he is planning a coup Friday and Saturday leaving Corbyn with no choice but to sack him, hence the rest of the Blairite clan can follow en masse. This has got The Prince of Darkness written all over it. Mandelson is beside himself that we have had the temerity to vote out and his way is to get rid of Corbyn and reinstate a Blairite leader and Shadow Cabinet.
Look forward to the left and right of the party scrapping like alleycats over the next few months. 
The-Snowman:
Evil8Beezle:
I think frosty STILL wants to know how you put one foot in, take one foot out, do the hokey cokey and shake it all about!
Well actually I would but since its carryfast we’re dealing with here, a straight answer is out of the question.
Im claiming victory anyway since he hasn’t replied to me since I called him out on attempting to change the subject to try and avoid the uncomfortable truth
Never mind all that, he didn’t answer my Daddy Pig question way back either. 
I can only think he must have thought I was taking the ■■■■ out of him, …how could he possibly think that 
I mean, you could never say that his trademark know it all patronising attitude invites it could you.
chrisdalott:
I think that free movement of people will stay, because
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Our ruling class want the cheap labour
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The referendum was not about ending immigration, it was just in or out of EU and there are the examples of Swiss and Norway . Who both allow free movement but are outside of the EU
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The EU will force us to, if even Switzerland which is one of the most independent minded places in the world have to allow all Europe in to work and live, I’m sure we will need to
Sounds just like what Boris is saying
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36637037
Stanley Knife:
tommy t:
Which part of the people have spoken did that tool not understand i wonder
Don’t necessarily look at Corbyn for the mess Labour are in over the past week. Two Labour MP’s put forward a Motion of No Confidence on the Friday, Benn makes it obvious he is planning a coup Friday and Saturday leaving Corbyn with no choice but to sack him, hence the rest of the Blairite clan can follow en masse. This has got The Prince of Darkness written all over it. Mandelson is beside himself that we have had the temerity to vote out and his way is to get rid of Corbyn and reinstate a Blairite leader and Shadow Cabinet.
Look forward to the left and right of the party scrapping like alleycats over the next few months.
Is anybody in that shower of ■■■■ a ‘‘Labour man’’ (or woman) in the original intended sense when the party originated.
Their reason to be was to look after the interests and represent the working people of this country, all I can see is middle class career politicians that are only slightly left to the Consevatives.
Carryfast:
As for leave already being in the long grass that was arguably the case when article 50 wasn’t invoked on Friday morning.
There may be a bloody good reason why it wasn’t. It seems that Vote Leave do not have a plan for exit - they have no policies written even as a draft. On getting this news Friday morning Cameron was faced with negotiating with the EU on a subject he had just been defeated on with no preparatory work done on the matter by the victors; or walking away and leaving them three months in which to sort themselves out.
There is/was another option: it seems GO do have a full policy plan that Farage & co have had prepared for ages, and it was offered to Vote Leave as a template for the negotiations but was rejected by VL as they wanted to be in the driving seat alone. So we now have a group of MP’s who should be negotiating with the EU to get us out of this corrupt, undemocratic zbhole, who are instead preparing for a leadership battle. Whilst at the same time there is a perfectly feasible template of plans that could be used and the creators of it, and the people who are the main reason we had a referendum in the first place, are sidelined with no input into the proceedings. You couldn’t make it up. 
As someone who has worked bloody hard to get us out of the EU I am not just bitterly disappointed at the actions of Vote Leave but sincerely embarrassed at the situation we are in. We have the opportunity to make this pay and yet the priorities of some are leaving us weak and a laughing stock.
andy187:
chrisdalott:
I think that free movement of people will stay, because
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Our ruling class want the cheap labour
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The referendum was not about ending immigration, it was just in or out of EU and there are the examples of Swiss and Norway . Who both allow free movement but are outside of the EU
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The EU will force us to, if even Switzerland which is one of the most independent minded places in the world have to allow all Europe in to work and live, I’m sure we will need to
Sounds just like what Boris is saying
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36637037
Totally agree, free movement will remain as there must be thousands of UK citizens working abroad to think of.
What we can all do is to make those already here still feel welcome.
Our diversity will always be our strength, unless they protest about the country they have chosen to live in or have a beard.
Those hipsters look well dodgy especially those with ginger beards, WTF is that all about.
I’m only jealous really as I can’t grow a beard, bum fluff is the only stuff that I get on me chin.
robroy:
Is anybody in that shower of [zb] a ‘‘Labour man’’ (or woman) in the original intended sense when the party originated.
Very, very few. It is now a party of the Islington set where the top end of the party bears no resemblance to the working man and woman they rely on every five years; and according to them it is us that are in the wrong, not them!
Oh dear, what we don’t want . . .
telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06 … boris-joh/
It was always obvious that Boris Johnson went to the Vote Leave side as a means of getting the PM’s job from Cameron, but this just stinks.
For those like carryfast confused as to why article 50 hasn’t been triggered I would suggest taking a gander at it. It would leave the UK in such a ■■■■ poor bargaining position that not even the world’s worst haggler would consider it.
For now we will negotiate our exit as best we can whilst the EU get a strop on.
Spot on DD, patience is a virtue.