He’s wrong on that.The bar for in needs to be ‘unanimity’ on the basis that the definition of ‘Union’,in the form of the EU,means just that IE we’re all ‘United’ and agreed let’s dissolve the country’s nation state status and join it.
Now zb off with your federalist socialist bs and admit you lost and get over it.We’re out and we ain’t going back.At least possibly without a zb civil war in which you’ll get what you want only by removing the last out voter from the frame.While if you want to live in Juncker’s socialist zb pile then zb off out of the country and go there.
wtf you on about CF?
Do you know me or my political views? what party i voted for at previous elections?
Just quoting what Farage said.
I was just guessing by the insulting reference to Farage and moaning about the obvious difference ( which should be ) needed in the mandate and bar for handing over the country to the EU.Which,as I said,Farage,if anything,was way understating.Unless I’ve confused the quotes ? which wouldn’t be the first time.On that note it was obviously mean’t on the basis of if the cap fits that of a typical whingeing remain voter ( Federalist and/‘or’ Socialist obviously fitting that description ) who’s not willing to accept the vote.
I accept the vote. regardless of what way i voted. but there seems to be some people realising that maybe they have made a wrong choice. I know someone who has… “A protest vote” he said… Unlike a general election this is meant to be final.
But i was pointing out that Farage was saying that 48-52 was unfinished business and he would push for a second referendum. But it ended up same but for leave . I agree somewhat with what the petition is saying, it should really be final if over 75% turnout with >55% majority. And maybe they should have thought of that before the referendum?
Franglais:
“Although I do love Boris and his ‘Ive got to go and play cricket’ soundbite whilst the EU is getting a tad hysterical.
Either a bafoon or a genius in asserting a strong position for the negotiations to come.” Dipper Dave.
Good question. Give it, what ? 3 years ? We may have an answer. Surely tho well all have a load of fun predicting which itll be. I mean we are all on this forum balanced, well adjusted individuals who respect each others point of view aren`t we? Never a cross word between us.
The thing is, what would actually be achieved holding a second referendum here?
In the short term, it’s far more likely that the downsides will be apparent, with little to show of the upside as yet.
For example, the EU will probably already be cutting it’s payback channel for sending money to “British Interests”. Meanwhile, the money We pay Them continues to be paid - regardless of weather it is actually £350m a week, £650m a week or only £90m a week… We’re still bloody well paying that over as it stands, and I’m sure the EU are not even going to consider “not accepting it in the spirit of us already having a mandate to leave”.
That sets us up for some serious cashflow problems in the near term, compounded by the Tory leadership bid. Boris and others signed this petition that Cameron should NOT resign - but he’s gone anyway.
Him leaving thus also prevents “someone else” calling for a General Election - because as it stands, there is no new Tory Leader in place yet. THAT has to be done at least before an election can be called, and then there’s the issue of “Can this person sort this mess out quickly”? If they CAN - there won’t actually be a need for an election of course…
Labour, instead of trying to get rid of Corbyn right now - might want to consider being a proper HM Opposition - and push for that General election, rather than donk away all their hopes on a “second referendum” that just isn’t going to happen.
The demographics suggest the bulk of the remain vote was under the age of 44, so they were born into the union. Watching the coverage since the result, it’s very worrying how most under 40’s see themselves as Europeans and not British. Seems like we’ve managed to get out before the whole brain washing project of destruction came to fruition
Deeireland:
What happens now if I win the Euro millions?!!!
Nothing - until the EU passes a new law that either taxes British winners of Euromillions, or bans Brits from buying tickets at all. BOTH would actually cost the EU millions in lost revenues - so I don’t think anything is going to change at all, other than the exchange rate when you convert your prize back into Sterling…
desypete:
i will remind you of what the answer was for anyone who wanted a second vote including ukip
the answer was no second chance out would mean out
what part of that doesn’t anyone understand ? its what the pm told us all
I’d be very surprised if it gets off the ground. Most mp’s used the lines “once in a lifetime” and “no going back on Friday morning” so considering they pedalled that, and most of England voted out, they would commit political suicide to back another referendum. Not a single one will be re-elected at the next local election
To be fair to Scotland they get free uni education free prescriptions free care in old age free car parking in hospital car parks the place is not full ,if I were in their place I would want out…mind you if they do leave then get into the socialist republic EU they may not be so keen about free movement .
andy187:
I accept the vote. regardless of what way i voted. but there seems to be some people realising that maybe they have made a wrong choice. I know someone who has… “A protest vote” he said… Unlike a general election this is meant to be final.
But i was pointing out that Farage was saying that 48-52 was unfinished business and he would push for a second referendum. But it ended up same but for leave . I agree somewhat with what the petition is saying, it should really be final if over 75% turnout with >55% majority. And maybe they should have thought of that before the referendum?
It doesn’t read as though you ‘accept’ the vote.
As I said what you’re proposing is how civil wars start.IE if you want to hand the country over to the EU Federation then you need at least a ‘unanimous’ vote in ‘favour’ let alone more than 55% or even 50% ‘against’.Even that subject to continuous review and further referendum.While ideally no one has the right to vote the country out of existence.IE it isn’t a ‘union’ or ‘united’ so long as there is even one person left who wants ‘their’ country back.Which is generally why civil wars of secession are such bitter costly battles unless the Federalists see sense and back down.While those who want to live in a USE can zb off and live there.
On that note why should the premise be only that Leave voters ‘may have’ made a ‘wrong’ choice in the vote but not remain ones ?.Or that many abstentions now ‘may have’ wished they’d voted Leave. While how the zb is it even possible for anyone to decide to Leave or stay in the Federal zb pile mistakenly when the question is clear enough.
I can not understand why the greens voted to stay ,if they had voted out and we become broke as predicted we will not be able to afford nuclear weapons or those two big aircraft carriers that were to form the main plank of EU navy.
fuse:
To be fair to Scotland they get free uni education free prescriptions free care in old age free car parking in hospital car parks the place is not full ,if I were in their place I would want out…mind you if they do leave then get into the socialist republic EU they may not be so keen about free movement .
but that would soon have to change if they come out of the eu and not get the funds the eu pay to them they will have to make do with the handouts the goverment hands out instead of getting 2 sets of monies coming in
they will have to do like so many English councils have to do try to provide services with less and less money coming in
the government is not going to fund scotland free this or that while the rest of the uk has to pay that much is for sure and the scots voted to stay in knowing dam well there eu gravy train would be over.
hence i hope they do one of 2 things either get out and save us uk taxpayers a few quid and claim there much needed funds from the eu or stay in the uk and have to start living like the rest of us have had to live for the past so many years
fuse:
To be fair to Scotland they get free uni education free prescriptions free care in old age free car parking in hospital car parks the place is not full ,if I were in their place I would want out…mind you if they do leave then get into the socialist republic EU they may not be so keen about free movement .
but that would soon have to change if they come out of the eu and not get the funds the eu pay to them they will have to make do with the handouts the goverment hands out instead of getting 2 sets of monies coming in
they will have to do like so many English councils have to do try to provide services with less and less money coming in
the government is not going to fund scotland free this or that while the rest of the uk has to pay that much is for sure and the scots voted to stay in knowing dam well there eu gravy train would be over.
hence i hope they do one of 2 things either get out and save us uk taxpayers a few quid and claim there much needed funds from the eu or stay in the uk and have to start living like the rest of us have had to live for the past so many years
If Sturgeon takes scotland out of the uk they should get FA from us nada nothing , and not even be able to keep the pound , because if it’s independence from the rest of the uk they want then they can have total independence that means financially too, just what they would do for a hospitals i dont know, and they would no longer be part of the uk, why should they get free health care and services ?
desypete:
i will remind you of what the answer was for anyone who wanted a second vote including ukip
the answer was no second chance out would mean out
what part of that doesn’t anyone understand ? its what the pm told us all
I’d be very surprised if it gets off the ground. Most mp’s used the lines “once in a lifetime” and “no going back on Friday morning” so considering they pedalled that, and most of England voted out, they would commit political suicide to back another referendum. Not a single one will be re-elected at the next local election
Does anyone really think that the issue of imposing the Eurasian Federation over Nation here will go away and its increasingly foreign demographic will give a toss about the 2016 EU referendum in the long term.Regarding the ongoing agenda to wipe this country off the map and turning it into a Yugoslav type state of a Yugoslav type Federation.
As for the Cons and Labour reaching a deal to annul the vote they don’t even need to bother.All it needs is for the ‘implementation’ of it to be continuously delayed.Until a sufficient demographic is created or indoctrinated into seeing itself as Eurasian not English.Bearing in mind it’s in both Parties’ interests.On that note maybe the next move should be for every Leave voter to ask their MP exactly ‘when’ the vote to secede will be implemented.Don’t hold your breath waiting for an answer.
desypete:
i will remind you of what the answer was for anyone who wanted a second vote including ukip
the answer was no second chance out would mean out
what part of that doesn’t anyone understand ? its what the pm told us all
I’d be very surprised if it gets off the ground. Most mp’s used the lines “once in a lifetime” and “no going back on Friday morning” so considering they pedalled that, and most of England voted out, they would commit political suicide to back another referendum. Not a single one will be re-elected at the next local election
Does anyone really think that the issue of imposing the Eurasian Federation over Nation here will go away and its increasingly foreign demographic will give a toss about the 2016 EU referendum in the long term.Regarding the ongoing agenda to wipe this country off the map and turning it into a Yugoslav type state of a Yugoslav type Federation.
As for the Cons and Labour reaching a deal to annul the vote they don’t even need to bother.All it needs is for the ‘implementation’ of it to be continuously delayed.Until a sufficient demographic is created or indoctrinated into seeing itself as Eurasian not English.Bearing in mind it’s in both Parties’ interests.On that note maybe the next move should be for every Leave voter to ask their MP exactly ‘when’ the vote to secede will be implemented.Don’t hold your breath waiting for an answer.
if they try to drag there heals i would predict the rise of the bnp party at the next general election as what else could people do other than turn to extremism. the people have already shown there fed up with it all what more will they have to do ?
tommy t:
If Sturgeon takes scotland out of the uk they should get FA from us nada nothing , and not even be able to keep the pound , because if it’s independence from the rest of the uk they want then they can have total independence that means financially too, just what they would do for a hospitals i dont know, and they would no longer be part of the uk, why should they get free health care and services ?
Isn’t that similar to the same bitter Federalist bs that the EU and remain voters are using against us.
There’s no reason as to why both us and Scotland can’t part just like Sweden and Norway did with the slighty closer tie of maintaining a Confederal alliance instead of the present Federal one.Obviously none of which makes Scotland financially dependent on us any longer.
fuse:
I can not understand why the greens voted to stay ,if they had voted out and we become broke as predicted we will not be able to afford nuclear weapons or those two big aircraft carriers that were to form the main plank of EU navy.
Probably all the energy efficiency bollox from EU directives
tommy t:
If Sturgeon takes scotland out of the uk they should get FA from us nada nothing , and not even be able to keep the pound , because if it’s independence from the rest of the uk they want then they can have total independence that means financially too, just what they would do for a hospitals i dont know, and they would no longer be part of the uk, why should they get free health care and services ?
Isn’t that similar to the same bitter Federalist bs that the EU and remain voters are using against us.
There’s no reason as to why both us and Scotland can’t part just like Sweden and Norway did with the slighty closer tie of maintaining a Confederal alliance instead of the present Federal one.Obviously none of which makes Scotland financially dependent on us any longer.
By scotland leaving the uk and joining the EU and no doubt becoming part of the schengen area We would be invaded by the backdoor , they would be traitors, why should we assist them , who’s going to pay for the wall/electric fence and border guards to stop her hard done to parasites landing here , it would be akin to subsidising the EU ffs all over again
And as far as i’m concerned sturgeon is a very good reason why not to your suggestion we don’t need anything else, ( that’s if she has the amount of support she is depending on, vote rigging aside) and if these figure are anything to go by she and the rest of the traitors are ■■■■■■■ against the wind,
Earlier today the uk signature_count was only 353988 out of the total figure of signatures at @13:57 pastebin.com/DJfxSQhX A very long way from 2,230,116 signatures and even further if we remove those who are not eligible to vote
Just watched something that said we’ve now opened the doors to 2.2 Billion customers that we could not trade with while in the EU because they can’t even agree a deal. Can’t be that bad then.
