immigrants

While it would be fair to say that the relatively few native Americans could justifiably view us and in fact the nation state of Canada itself as alien/immigrant there’s no way that anyone from the British Isles can possibly be described as an ‘immigrant’ in ‘Canada’.IE it’s a country actually founded mostly by us.

As for the ethnic African presence at least where I grew up let’s just say that in general it was effectively a case of respectful natural segregation on both parts.IE you wouldn’t find many if any living where we lived and vice versa where they were.On that note I’d guess that a 50/50 mix would have been the exception that proved the rule and probably the result of areas where white flight was already ( rightly ) becoming an issue.With the same situation definitely being the case across the river in Middx.Where having had to leave the area where I grew up to have to work in West Middlesex let’s just say that I got a shock as to the levels of friction between the indigenous and Asian communities that existed in the area.Which was another of the factors which made me ditch my Socialist principles.

All the above applying on an ongoing rolling basis where the division lines between the expanding immigrant and the existing majority indigenous populations are now almost to the M25.Whereas before they were much closer to London. :bulb:

newmercman:
Here are a couple of photos I found.
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The bottom one is London during the blitz, the top one is in Syria this week.

Did the Brits run to a safe haven? Or did they stand and fight? (I know we had national service and conscription, before the pedantic start going off on one)

sarahhonig.com/2012/04/27/anothe … -first-day

Or the Israeli example running into a fight in the Middle East for their home as opposed to away from it. :wink:

Carryfast:
While it would be fair to say that the relatively few native Americans could justifiably view us and in fact the nation state of Canada itself as alien/immigrant there’s no way that anyone from the British Isles can possibly be described as an ‘immigrant’ in ‘Canada’.IE it’s a country actually founded mostly by us.

As for the ethnic African presence at least where I grew up let’s just say that in general it was effectively a case of respectful natural segregation on both parts.IE you wouldn’t find many if any living where we lived and vice versa where they were.On that note I’d guess that a 50/50 mix would have been the exception that proved the rule and probably the result of areas where white flight was already ( rightly ) becoming an issue.With the same situation definitely being the case across the river in Middx.Where having had to leave the area where I grew up to have to work in West Middlesex let’s just say that I got a shock as to the levels of friction between the indigenous and Asian communities that existed in the area.Which was another of the factors which made me ditch my Socialist principles.

All the above applying on an ongoing rolling basis where the division lines between the expanding immigrant and the existing majority indigenous populations are now almost to the M25.Whereas before they were much closer to London. :bulb:

The native American argument is how I respond when told to ■■■■ off back to where I came from, however as a white English speaking man living in a white English speaking country, it’s much easier for me to integrate into society. The same does not apply to the Filipinos, Indians, Chinese and to a lesser extent the non English speaking whites.

I grew up in Walworth, the Old Kent Rd, Elephant and Castle, call it what you will and there were a lot of black families. They had come to Britain after the war to make up the numbers as we had lost quite a few men of working age during the war. They all worked, both mums and dad’s and they fitted in quite well. Sure there were those that had an attitude about them, on both sides, but that’s always going to happen. There were even ghettos where most of the inhabitants were immigrants, but there were still locals living there, they may have been outnumbered, but their way of life wasn’t questioned or threatened, it was a live and let live society.

The situation now is totally different, the first wave of economic migrants from Eastern Europe that arrived came to work and better their life, the second wave came to ponce off the state and rob. The Muslim immigrants are totally different, they want to live as they lived in the countries they left, but on the taxpayer’s money. They do not belong, they have no intention of integrating and they never will, there is no way in a million years that it was ever going to work and you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.

There is a reason behind this that could possibly be that it suits the people running the show (the world) as they appear to be happy that the middle east is in a state of uproar, they clearly want control of the natural resources contained within those countries. However history has shown them that they don’t go down without a fight. The Afghanistani Russian war proved that, so they need to play a different game. It may seem a little far fetched and conspiracy theory, but there’s no smoke without fire.

First they bring freedom (invade) Afghanistan, they wipe out a lot of the fighters and deal with the boys running the show to set up an operation to move the natural resource of Afghanistan (Opium) to market and raise funds for the ongoing campaign. Heroin use has risen exponentially in the west since the invasion of Afghanistan.

Then they let isis rampage through the region, after getting rid of Mr Hussein and the others that kept their kind in check, mainly through barbaric means, but they had them under control in any case. Now the isis soldiers are going to take a good few casualties as they go about their destruction at the will of the west and their numbers will decrease the longer the situation continues, so they push as many potential recruits as possible into the west, but that’s not good enough, they can easily return to fight again, so they stick them on a little island and give them things they couldn’t dream of in their homeland in an effort to keep them off the front lines. This way they can control exactly what both isis and the opposition can do, they are playing both sides.

When the whole region is destroyed, Israel will grow, Syria, Jordan and Palestine will be bombed out ruins and the closest Arabs will be a desert away in Saudi Arabia. The west and the Saudis will control all the resourses in the region and the little island in the north sea will be left to rot.

As I said, a little far fetched, but when you consider that the politicians and their puppet masters don’t give a flying ■■■■ about the man on the street and will do whatever they have to do in their pursuit of money and power, maybe it isn’t.

newmercman:
There is a reason behind this that could possibly be that it suits the people running the show (the world) as they appear to be happy that the middle east is in a state of uproar, they clearly want control of the natural resources contained within those countries. However history has shown them that they don’t go down without a fight. The Afghanistani Russian war proved that, so they need to play a different game. It may seem a little far fetched and conspiracy theory, but there’s no smoke without fire.

First they bring freedom (invade) Afghanistan, they wipe out a lot of the fighters and deal with the boys running the show to set up an operation to move the natural resource of Afghanistan (Opium) to market and raise funds for the ongoing campaign. Heroin use has risen exponentially in the west since the invasion of Afghanistan.

Then they let isis rampage through the region, after getting rid of Mr Hussein and the others that kept their kind in check, mainly through barbaric means, but they had them under control in any case. Now the isis soldiers are going to take a good few casualties as they go about their destruction at the will of the west and their numbers will decrease the longer the situation continues, so they push as many potential recruits as possible into the west, but that’s not good enough, they can easily return to fight again, so they stick them on a little island and give them things they couldn’t dream of in their homeland in an effort to keep them off the front lines. This way they can control exactly what both isis and the opposition can do, they are playing both sides.

When the whole region is destroyed, Israel will grow, Syria, Jordan and Palestine will be bombed out ruins and the closest Arabs will be a desert away in Saudi Arabia. The west and the Saudis will control all the resourses in the region and the little island in the north sea will be left to rot.

As I said, a little far fetched, but when you consider that the politicians and their puppet masters don’t give a flying [zb] about the man on the street and will do whatever they have to do in their pursuit of money and power, maybe it isn’t.

Something along those lines might make sense but there seem to be too many loose ends.What is certain is that neither the Russian or our forces seemed to have had any intention of destroying Afghanistan’s opium growing capacity.Although there is also obviously a non recreational medical need for the stuff.

But the fact that the major western powers seemed to see any advantage in stirring up a pointless zb storm in Iraq and Afghan,and now Syria by supporting the Saudis in bringing down Assad,makes no sense.It’s also difficult to understand why Israel would see any advantage in a stronger Saudi and it’s nutter zb paramilitary spin offs like Al Nusra.While the historic links between Socialism in all its forms and the Arab cause might at least explain all the present pro Arab hysteria taking place here and in Germany.Which again as always is a threat to Israel certainly not an advantage.Added to in this case by also now putting Europe’s security at risk too assuming invasion not refuge.

All of which seems to be taking place in the political and foreign policy vacuum of an effectively paralysed, effectively Socialist appeasing,Obama administration.Which has just added to the mad Republican US foreign policy which seemed to put more importance on appeasing the Saudis than putting them in their place.Which probably isn’t surprising being that Reagan kicked off the idea of it’s ok to deal with our enemies at the west’s expense just so long as a few at the top can make a few bob out of the deal and its on that note that your final paragraph would be spot on. :bulb:

Well the petition against allowing more immigrants into this country has 100,672 signatures So it too should be debated in parliament

The last paragraph pretty much sums the whole thing up, I have no idea if the reason behind their management of the current situation is close to what I suggested, but as sure is eggs are eggs, something is going on, the immigration situation is just the tip of the iceberg and it conveniently feeds the media with material as an added advantage.

The democratic means to change things do not exist, it doesn’t matter who the figurehead is, the same people are making the decisions behind the scenes as they have been for the last few decades at least.

If you liken the situation in Syria to the countries ravished by famine in Africa, there are a lot less victims involved and yet all those starving Africans got was a few quid from Sir Bob and Bono’s fundraising events, they didn’t all turn up in Calais in search of a council house and dole money.

What we’re seeing now is all part of a big plan, what the end game is, I have no idea, but you can bet your life that it won’t be in our best interests, nor that of the displaced people desperately trying to get across the channel.

Have you got a spare room for some of these ‘refugees’?

youtu.be/LSYdxggXrUw

newmercman:
The last paragraph pretty much sums the whole thing up, I have no idea if the reason behind their management of the current situation is close to what I suggested, but as sure is eggs are eggs, something is going on, the immigration situation is just the tip of the iceberg and it conveniently feeds the media with material as an added advantage.

The democratic means to change things do not exist, it doesn’t matter who the figurehead is, the same people are making the decisions behind the scenes as they have been for the last few decades at least.

If you liken the situation in Syria to the countries ravished by famine in Africa, there are a lot less victims involved and yet all those starving Africans got was a few quid from Sir Bob and Bono’s fundraising events, they didn’t all turn up in Calais in search of a council house and dole money.

What we’re seeing now is all part of a big plan, what the end game is, I have no idea, but you can bet your life that it won’t be in our best interests, nor that of the displaced people desperately trying to get across the channel.

Too many fit well fed young blokes of fighting age for it to be ‘displaced people’. :bulb:

Meanwhile east west ‘trade’ pays for this.

youtube.com/watch?v=YoC0Xcjko0A

Janos:
Have you got a spare room for some of these ‘refugees’?

youtu.be/LSYdxggXrUw

Remember ‘no human is illegal’. [emoji57]

I’m sure someone on here will put some of them up, maybe a few tents out the back garden?

Lots of white folks getting their heads stamped on I see in their home countries. Totally worth it for multiculturalism. Things will improve though as time goes on *cough *.

Janos:
Have you got a spare room for some of these ‘refugees’?

youtu.be/LSYdxggXrUw

Merkel will probably say that video and comments shows more unanimous German support for welcoming the ‘refugees’.

tommy t:
Well the petition against allowing more immigrants into this country has 100,672 signatures So it too should be debated in parliament

Where all the anti immigration MP’s will pass a vote of no confidence in Cameron set charges of treason against pro immigration MP’s in motion and put in place a temporary military state of emergency to safeguard our borders during the current European invasion crisis.Dream on.

Carryfast:

tommy t:
Well the petition against allowing more immigrants into this country has 100,672 signatures So it too should be debated in parliament

Where all the anti immigration MP’s will pass a vote of no confidence in Cameron set charges of treason against pro immigration MP’s in motion and put in place a temporary military state of emergency to safeguard our borders during the current European invasion crisis.Dream on.

Well if the pro migration petition gets debated the anti one should too, if it doesn’t then this will only fuel more hatred and racism

tommy t:

Carryfast:

tommy t:
Well the petition against allowing more immigrants into this country has 100,672 signatures So it too should be debated in parliament

Where all the anti immigration MP’s will pass a vote of no confidence in Cameron set charges of treason against pro immigration MP’s in motion and put in place a temporary military state of emergency to safeguard our borders during the current European invasion crisis.Dream on.

Well if the pro migration petition gets debated the anti one should too, if it doesn’t then this will only fuel more hatred and racism

The problem is that there’s no way of having an anti immigration debate that comes out in favour of an anti immigration stance without having the anti immigration MP’s there to vote for it.IE we might get the ‘debate’ but the ‘argument’ and ‘debate’ will be a foregone conclusion all in favour of letting in as many in as possible.With little if any opposition let alone a majority in opposition.The fact is as it stands we’re stuffed without any democratic means to change government policy being a government that has long been dedicated to the Socialist/cheap labour pro immigration agenda.Realistically it all depends on what happens in Germany and France in throwing out Merkel and Hollande thereby isolating Cameron and his pro immigration side.While ironically eastern Europe is actually an anti immigration side ally on this specific issue.

Carryfast:

tommy t:

Carryfast:

tommy t:
Well the petition against allowing more immigrants into this country has 100,672 signatures So it too should be debated in parliament

Where all the anti immigration MP’s will pass a vote of no confidence in Cameron set charges of treason against pro immigration MP’s in motion and put in place a temporary military state of emergency to safeguard our borders during the current European invasion crisis.Dream on.

Well if the pro migration petition gets debated the anti one should too, if it doesn’t then this will only fuel more hatred and racism

The problem is that there’s no way of having an anti immigration debate that comes out in favour of an anti immigration stance without having the anti immigration MP’s there to vote for it.IE we might get the ‘debate’ but the ‘argument’ and ‘debate’ will be a foregone conclusion all in favour of letting in as many in as possible.With little if any opposition let alone a majority in opposition.The fact is as it stands we’re stuffed without any democratic means to change government policy being a government that has long been dedicated to the Socialist/cheap labour pro immigration agenda.Realistically it all depends on what happens in Germany and France in throwing out Merkel and Hollande thereby isolating Cameron and his pro immigration side.While ironically eastern Europe is actually an anti immigration side ally on this specific issue.

I do agree, nothing will probably be done, no one can know for sure. However, every one of those votes is a middle finger to the establishment.

iearl504:
However, every one of those votes is a middle finger to the establishment.

I’d suggest that being able to openly tear apart,the pro immigration lie, that anti immigration = ■■■■,wherever and whenever possible,is the best middle finger possible to the obviously Socialist infiltrated establishment.IE don’t be afraid to say close the doors and/or send them home. :bulb:

Closing the doors will only happen once the island is full of all the human detritus from around the globe. Think about it, these wars on terror are not about terror at all, whatever your beliefs about the catastrophic events which started it all on 9/11, the fact remains that the war has been about oil from the outset, the Afghanistan part was all about raising funds and swaying public perception through the puppet media.

The UK has no resourses worth fighting for, it can only be reached via sea or air and the channel tunnel, so what’s the point of it from an economic standpoint? Most of the manufacturing industry has moved away. I know the car assembly plants are doing a roaring trade and they will continue to do so until just before they pull up the drawbridge and isolate the island, they still need the place to be a viable option until that day comes.

Bleeding hearts and ethics don’t come into it, the world is run on one thing, power, that currently swings in the favour of those with the most money, but that will change soon. There will soon come a time when the power will shift towards essential resourses, oil and water being the top of that tree and no amount of money can buy the ownership of those, the only way to take control of those is to literally take control, what better way to do that than create a war, a war which will also make money along the way…

newmercman:
There will soon come a time when the power will shift towards essential resourses, oil and water being the top of that tree and no amount of money can buy the ownership of those, the only way to take control of those is to literally take control, what better way to do that than create a war, a war which will also make money along the way…

On that basis this country is a better bet than many sitting on around 1,000 years worth of coal and we’ve still got some oil and we’re not short of water and resultingly not an an agricultural wasteland like the middle east.Nor have we got a massive deficit between population v food supply like China.IE if we keep our population levels in line we’ve got it made comparatively.

The question then being why would we want to throw that away by over populating the country with immigrants from places with less resources and more population in that regard.Together with a bleeding heart socialist type agenda which seems to make us responsible for using what we’ve got to keep and feed the rest of the world.‘If’ there is any conspiracy in that regard the obvious question is who gains from this and why.Unsurprisingly we know that China is arming itself to the teeth and the population of the Middle East obviously has designs and intentions on the north in Europe in obviously exchanging barren waterless desert for fertile land.In which case all the signs are that we’re being set up and sold out by our own governments for reasons known ( naive bleeding heart Socialism ) and unknown ( appeasement ) to save the ruling elite from losing what they’ve got while they’ve still got it in any potential fight with Socialist China and the Arab nation over our own interests bearing in mind that the maths say that can only end up in nuclear war.On that note I’d guess that getting our military ■■■■■■■ and involved in yet another wild goose chase on the NATO/Russian borders,while allowing a Middle Eastern invasion to just walk in at here at home,might fit in with that idea.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China-Sau … _relations

They are in no rush for the coal and agricultural land, it will come in handy at some point, but they’ll probably wait until the mad max effect has finished before using it. There’s enough land and water in Europe for growing crops and there’s plenty if coal about too, let’s face it, if the world was a giant monopoly game, the UK would be Whitechapel Rd. If you ruled the world, would you bother with it?

newmercman:
They are in no rush for the coal and agricultural land, it will come in handy at some point, but they’ll probably wait until the mad max effect has finished before using it. There’s enough land and water in Europe for growing crops and there’s plenty if coal about too, let’s face it, if the world was a giant monopoly game, the UK would be Whitechapel Rd. If you ruled the world, would you bother with it?

If ‘ruling the world’ means China in co operation with its Middle Eastern allies amongst others etc could you afford the risk of those with my views taking power here.Especially bearing in mind historic example of what happens when totalitarianism meets a properly motivated UK and US alliance.I’d guess that they’d see a destabilised UK over run by a massive African and Asian demographic as a big advantage in that regard.What is certain is that all the signs show a western media which has already been infiltrated and/or being run by an agenda which is more in line with extreme Socialism than the National interest.In which case China’s grubby paw prints are all over it.Unlike places like Hungary who obviously aren’t considered to be important enough to be on the hit list. :bulb:

Why Germany needs migrants more than UK - bbc.co.uk/news/business-34172729
Think Merkel knows what she doing