Franglais:
They won`t get the rebound.
Lol…
You still haven’t told me who the famous one armed drummer is? I could Google it but, I CBA mate.
yourhavingalarf:
Franglais:
They won`t get the rebound.Lol…
You still haven’t told me who the famous one armed drummer is? I could Google it but, I CBA mate.
I do seem to remember than Richie Blackmore had some fingers chopped (partially at least) off? Drummer rings a (cow)bell…I`ll Goggle it
Goggle sez…
Rick Allen of Def Leppard lost a hand in a motor accident but continued playing afterwards.
And, Whoops!
It was Tony Iommi who lost the tips of two fingers of his right hand.
Franglais:
Goggle sez…Rick Allen of Def Leppard lost a hand in a motor accident but continued playing afterwards.
And, Whoops!
It was Tony Iommi who lost the tips of two fingers of his right hand.
Okies…
I’ll go with Rick Allen.
Ta.
im now humming stargazer by rainbow
Carryfast:
Zac_A:
stu675:
You can take the [zb] if you like. I would just like a job that I want, like working in the daytime like the majority of the population.Hiab training is very useful here, builders merchants tend to be a 7 to 4 or 8 to 5 gig.
Of course you need the ticket and some experienceThe ‘experience’ issue generally doesn’t apply to such crap boring work.The desperate employers will provide all the Hiab training needed.
Normally I find you very entertaining CF, but what you wrote there is complete nonsense: Experience is everything for hiab work, often far more important than having “the right ticket” .
I’ve yet to see employers so desperate that they want to pay for training - especially the expensive kind.
As for being crap and boring, it’s a lot more fun than trunking down the motorway. Certainly I always found it quite fun, it’s a lot like playing with a giant version of the grab machine in the arcade. Also it fascinates passers-by, people think it’s cool and want to talk to you about it.
If there is a downside to builder’s merchant hiab work, it’s negotiating residential streets and bad parking, but for former bin wagon drivers that’s not usually a problem.
Of course those interested in hiab could choose to listen to you, even though there are many on the forum that question whether or not you have actually been a truck driver, or they could listen to someone who did hiab work daily for at least seven years.
yourhavingalarf:
Franglais:
If someone is a little bit too weak to shove a big pallet then an electric truck might be reasonable.I’m not…
Aware of any machines that move cages around the lorry.
Line the heavy cages up 3 in a row and electric pallet truck under them. That’s what they did at the better tesco stores when I did a few deliveries on Tesco. Some stores were just arsey though, one particular in Sheffield I think it was. Was a scissor lift and they were refusing to come up and help me move a couple of particularly heavy cages. I just said right I’ll leave them, someone soon came up and assisted. Trouble is wheels are knackered on half of them yet they still bang all that weight in them.
Zac_A:
Carryfast:
Zac_A:
stu675:
You can take the [zb] if you like. I would just like a job that I want, like working in the daytime like the majority of the population.Hiab training is very useful here, builders merchants tend to be a 7 to 4 or 8 to 5 gig.
Of course you need the ticket and some experienceThe ‘experience’ issue generally doesn’t apply to such crap boring work.The desperate employers will provide all the Hiab training needed.
Normally I find you very entertaining CF, but what you wrote there is complete nonsense: Experience is everything for hiab work, often far more important than having “the right ticket” .
I’ve yet to see employers so desperate that they want to pay for training - especially the expensive kind.
As for being crap and boring, it’s a lot more fun than trunking down the motorway. Certainly I always found it quite fun, it’s a lot like playing with a giant version of the grab machine in the arcade. Also it fascinates passers-by, people think it’s cool and want to talk to you about it.
If there is a downside to builder’s merchant hiab work, it’s negotiating residential streets and bad parking, but for former bin wagon drivers that’s not usually a problem.
Of course those interested in hiab could choose to listen to you, even though there are many on the forum that question whether or not you have actually been a truck driver, or they could listen to someone who did hiab work daily for at least seven years.
Ironically as someone who makes no secret of my disdain for the experience thing operating a Hiab was one of the crap jobs infesting the agencies where the word all too predictably didn’t apply also no such thing as a ticket needed to use one then.
Surrey or Greater London are just about the best ( or worst depending on point of view ) areas to be based depending on whether you like driving around the local houses and prefer operating a crane with the risk of being responsible for causing loads of grief if even a pack of bricks or blocks collapses while you’re lifting it.
I guess seven years isn’t long enough to remember when you didn’t need a Hiab ticket to be coerced by agencies into working with the things with just an hour or two of instruction and packs of bricks just held together by a few thin metal bands.
That and being used as a yard labourer back at base if/when not driving around the houses or site labourer hand balling all the loads which weren’t craned.
Weeks/months of doing the job were enough ‘experience’ for me to know that I was/am a driver not a bleedin crane operator or yard/site labourer driving a truck on the same streets and no further the local fast food moped delivery army.
Franglais:
Goggle sez…Rick Allen of Def Leppard lost a hand in a motor accident but continued playing afterwards.
And, Whoops!
It was Tony Iommi who lost the tips of two fingers of his right hand.
Think it was Iommi left hand - he makes plastic moulds for the ends
Carryfast:
Ironically as someone who makes no secret of my disdain for the experience thing operating a Hiab was one of the crap jobs infesting the agencies where the word all too predictably didn’t apply also no such thing as a ticket needed to use one then.
Surrey or Greater London are just about the best ( or worst depending on point of view ) areas to be based depending on whether you like driving around the local houses and prefer operating a crane with the risk of being responsible for causing loads of grief if even a pack of bricks or blocks collapses while you’re lifting it.
I guess seven years isn’t long enough to remember when you didn’t need a Hiab ticket to be coerced by agencies into working with the things with just an hour or two of instruction and packs of bricks just held together by a few thin metal bands.
That and being used as a yard labourer back at base if/when not driving around the houses or site labourer hand balling all the loads which weren’t craned.
Weeks/months of doing the job were enough ‘experience’ for me to know that I was/am a driver not a bleedin crane operator or yard/site labourer driving a truck on the same streets and no further the local fast food moped delivery army.
We’re all well aware of your disdain for anything requiring the slightest degree of physical exertion, Carryfast.
As for bricks falling apart, whilst being unloaded by crane, it is my experience that this is due to incompetence by the operator.
You should consider a career as a personal trainer. 
Star down under.:
Carryfast:
Ironically as someone who makes no secret of my disdain for the experience thing operating a Hiab was one of the crap jobs infesting the agencies where the word all too predictably didn’t apply also no such thing as a ticket needed to use one then.
Surrey or Greater London are just about the best ( or worst depending on point of view ) areas to be based depending on whether you like driving around the local houses and prefer operating a crane with the risk of being responsible for causing loads of grief if even a pack of bricks or blocks collapses while you’re lifting it.
I guess seven years isn’t long enough to remember when you didn’t need a Hiab ticket to be coerced by agencies into working with the things with just an hour or two of instruction and packs of bricks just held together by a few thin metal bands.
That and being used as a yard labourer back at base if/when not driving around the houses or site labourer hand balling all the loads which weren’t craned.
Weeks/months of doing the job were enough ‘experience’ for me to know that I was/am a driver not a bleedin crane operator or yard/site labourer driving a truck on the same streets and no further the local fast food moped delivery army.We’re all well aware of your disdain for anything requiring the slightest degree of physical exertion, Carryfast.
As for bricks falling apart, whilst being unloaded by crane, it is my experience that this is due to incompetence by the operator.
You should consider a career as a personal trainer.
Tell us under exactly what circumstances would the unfortunate driver/crane operator be responsible for the packaging/banding holding the bricks blocks together letting go whether on the road or while lifting.
Anyway the OP would/should have no problem finding that type of work based in Surrey/Greater London.The place is one big building site to a greater or lesser degree and the agencies are full of those jobs no surprise usually exempt from the ‘experience’ issue.
Carryfast:
Star down under.:
Carryfast:
Ironically as someone who makes no secret of my disdain for the experience thing operating a Hiab was one of the crap jobs infesting the agencies where the word all too predictably didn’t apply also no such thing as a ticket needed to use one then.
Surrey or Greater London are just about the best ( or worst depending on point of view ) areas to be based depending on whether you like driving around the local houses and prefer operating a crane with the risk of being responsible for causing loads of grief if even a pack of bricks or blocks collapses while you’re lifting it.
I guess seven years isn’t long enough to remember when you didn’t need a Hiab ticket to be coerced by agencies into working with the things with just an hour or two of instruction and packs of bricks just held together by a few thin metal bands.
That and being used as a yard labourer back at base if/when not driving around the houses or site labourer hand balling all the loads which weren’t craned.
Weeks/months of doing the job were enough ‘experience’ for me to know that I was/am a driver not a bleedin crane operator or yard/site labourer driving a truck on the same streets and no further the local fast food moped delivery army.We’re all well aware of your disdain for anything requiring the slightest degree of physical exertion, Carryfast.
As for bricks falling apart, whilst being unloaded by crane, it is my experience that this is due to incompetence by the operator.
You should consider a career as a personal trainer.Tell us under exactly what circumstances would the unfortunate driver/crane operator be responsible for the packaging/banding holding the bricks blocks together letting go whether on the road or while lifting.
Anyway the OP would/should have no problem finding that type of work based in Surrey/Greater London.The place is one big building site to a greater or lesser degree and the agencies are full of those jobs no surprise usually exempt from the ‘experience’ issue.
With self confessed weeks/months experience you couldn’t work it out? It’s not rocket science, particularly for a decent truck driver.
Poorly secured packs can become loose, in transit. Rough handling with the crane, either inaccurately trying to place the tynes or not entering the tyne pockets fully. The steel banding is not designed to take the weight of the contents, just hold them in place.
But then, you being the all knowing, highly experienced truck driver that you are, didn’t need me to tell you that, did you?
(We really need a sarcasm emoji)
Carryfast:
Tell us under exactly what circumstances would the unfortunate driver/crane operator be responsible for the packaging/banding holding the bricks blocks together letting go whether on the road or while lifting.
…
He ain’t responsible for the packaging and banding, but he is responsible for checking it first before unloading, and assessing the risk of one or each of them collapsing, then if one looks dodgy…leave it on.
(And this is me who has never done this type of work. I would have thought it just common sense. 
)
The driver is always responsible for the load as soon as he signs for it and/or takes it out of the yard.even in your world
Anyway just google it that is how you usually get your information isn’t it?
(In an ideal world he would come back with something like…
‘‘Oh yeah I see what you mean Rob, that makes sense’’
But no doubt I will get a refutement or counter argument telling me I’m talking BS, followed by a diversionary tactic to change the subject (because he has been found to be wrong again) …,.and then prattle on about the ■■■■ Chinese Communist Party or something equally as irrelevant …
robroy:
Carryfast:
Star down under.:
Carryfast:
Ironically as someone who makes no secret of my disdain for the experience thing operating a Hiab was one of the crap jobs infesting the agencies where the word all too predictably didn’t apply also no such thing as a ticket needed to use one then.
Surrey or Greater London are just about the best ( or worst depending on point of view ) areas to be based depending on whether you like driving around the local houses and prefer operating a crane with the risk of being responsible for causing loads of grief if even a pack of bricks or blocks collapses while you’re lifting it.
I guess seven years isn’t long enough to remember when you didn’t need a Hiab ticket to be coerced by agencies into working with the things with just an hour or two of instruction and packs of bricks just held together by a few thin metal bands.
That and being used as a yard labourer back at base if/when not driving around the houses or site labourer hand balling all the loads which weren’t craned.
Weeks/months of doing the job were enough ‘experience’ for me to know that I was/am a driver not a bleedin crane operator or yard/site labourer driving a truck on the same streets and no further the local fast food moped delivery army.We’re all well aware of your disdain for anything requiring the slightest degree of physical exertion, Carryfast.
As for bricks falling apart, whilst being unloaded by crane, it is my experience that this is due to incompetence by the operator.
You should consider a career as a personal trainer.Tell us under exactly what circumstances would the unfortunate driver/crane operator be responsible for the packaging/banding holding the bricks blocks together letting go whether on the road or while lifting.
…He ain’t responsible for the packaging and banding, but he is responsible for checking it first before unloading, and assessing the risk of one or each of them collapsing, if one looks dodgy…leave it on.
(And this is me who has never done this type of work. I would have thought it just common sense.
The driver is always responsible for the load as soon as he signs for it and/or takes it out of the yard.even in your world
Anyway just google it that is how you usually get your information isn’t it? …
You’re as mean and nasty as me, or is it common sensical reality?
If the load is properly secured the banding won’t come loose, similarly if you don’t bash the pack with the crane the bands will do as they’re supposed.
You won’t need Google Rob, a man of your calibre would pick it up in a day, speed comes a bit slower.
yourhavingalarf:
Franglais:
If someone is a little bit too weak to shove a big pallet then an electric truck might be reasonable.I’m not…
Aware of any machines that move cages around the lorry.
Master mover, we have one trialling at the moment, the little smart mover. Pretty good.
Fuzrat:
Master mover, we have one trialling at the moment, the little smart mover. Pretty good.
What a…
Cracking bit of kit. Had it been available in the days of Palmer and Harvey on the south coast, my career path may well have been different.
The video looks cool but doesn’t take into account, it’ll get punctured, dropped off the tail-lift, nicked and stolen at the first opportunity anywhere in the Bristol/Liverpool/Bradford/Leeds/Nottingham/Birmingham/Manchester postcode areas.
robroy:
Carryfast:
Tell us under exactly what circumstances would the unfortunate driver/crane operator be responsible for the packaging/banding holding the bricks blocks together letting go whether on the road or while lifting.
…He ain’t responsible for the packaging and banding, but he is responsible for checking it first before unloading, and assessing the risk of one or each of them collapsing, then if one looks dodgy…leave it on.
(And this is me who has never done this type of work. I would have thought it just common sense.
The driver is always responsible for the load as soon as he signs for it and/or takes it out of the yard.even in your world
Anyway just google it that is how you usually get your information isn’t it?(In an ideal world he would come back with something like…
‘‘Oh yeah I see what you mean Rob, that makes sense’’But no doubt I will get a refutement or counter argument telling me I’m talking BS, followed by a diversionary tactic to change the subject (because he has been found to be wrong again) …,.and then prattle on about the [zb] Chinese Communist Party or something equally as irrelevant
So the driver refuses a load securement or lifting plan that’s based entirely on the strength of the flimsy packaging and/or banding holding the pack together by telling the employer or agency to shove the job.
Which is partly one of the reasons why I did exactly that.
Bearing in mind that carrying packs of bricks or blocks on a flat rather than a cage or drop sider also exactly meets that description.Just like the lottery of lifting a pack of bricks or blocks with no base pallet support which most Hiab systems rely on and the unfortunate muppets who volunteer to use them.
IE providing a drop or cage sider for that reason while then trusting the same packaging to lift the stuff with from the sides is a laughable contradiction and oxymoron.
So why are you suggesting incompetence on my part in that ?.Ironically I was telling it like it is/was for the benefit of the OP.
Carryfast:
So why are you suggesting incompetence on my part in that ?.
It was probably more to do with your incompetence at life in general to be fair
That’s this thread derailed now that Carryfast has popped up with his usual diarrhoea.
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
So why are you suggesting incompetence on my part in that ?.It was probably more to do with your incompetence at life in general to be fair
Harsh but 100% true!
tmcassett:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
So why are you suggesting incompetence on my part in that ?.It was probably more to do with your incompetence at life in general to be fair
Harsh but 100% true!
Not so sure about harsh, but 100% factual.