What point are you trying to make? The article you linked to is from 2006■■
Lee1976:
What point are you trying to make? The article you linked to is from 2006■■
Still trying to catch up with what’s news today I think 
Well if you have not caught on yet
You never will.
Make your point Ross Vs Stobart or be quiet.
And you are.?
Make your point
Yes sure.!
Dav1d:
Make your point Ross Vs Stobart or be quiet.
Get a life.
oh Sorry
I should say take a life.
If you cant see the point then open your eyes a bit wider.
Eyes like a ■■■■ house Rat
Ross get over your self please the hrs that drivers are doing have been around a long time. If your incapable of doing the hrs that drivers are askes to do within eu regs the. Get out of the industry and find another job. I think you need to find new hobby as changing the hrs that drivers do simply isn’t going to happen
Ross v stobart:
Well if you have not caught on yet
You never will.
Well mate, I’m also missing your point.
Please explain the point you’re making a bit less cryptically and without the sarcasm, otherwise I might think it’s spam and remove it.
That puts an end to the guessing game.
What it means is
Yes the driving regulations & working regulations have been around for a long time.
There was a bit of a change in 2005 & 2012 but yes some of you chaps are right, things never changed.
And neither have the accident statistics.I believe they are going up as the volume of traffic increases.
The point is operators & some drivers believe that all is in order.
However my worry is although many operators are complying , just as many are not.
D H L thought they could rewrite a drivers data to grab more hours & found out fast that they could not.
The doctoring of working time data was a close call for D H L in 2006 and since then nothings really changed.
I guess there are just as many drivers on here that would agree & equally disagree and the one thing most could agree on is things may never change with reference to the amount of hours drivers work ( up to 86 hours on duty )
Its the amount of hours a driver is on duty that may cause problems for some.
most traffic accidents these days involve someone being careless.
Either another road user ( Car) or a HGV driver.
Most HGV drivers work the maximum they can get away with and often 3 x 15 & 3 x 13 = 86.
86 hours 1 week and 71 the next.
That`s way above the so called limit of 48 hours whichever way you decipher it.
And thus you have careless drivers who often end up either in court , in the slammer or on a slab.
Going back to this 48 hour limit for H G V drivers and the actual 70 to 80 hours in reality.
Work it out for yourself if you believe the UK transport industry , operators & drivers are fully compliant and understand the importance of compliance.
alix776:
Ross get over your self please the hrs that drivers are doing have been around a long time. If your incapable of doing the hrs that drivers are askes to do within eu regs the. Get out of the industry and find another job. I think you need to find new hobby as changing the hrs that drivers do simply isn’t going to happen
Oh yes I am very capable.
you would be surprised.
The question is are others as capable.
I only drive tired in an emergency.
That`s usually Never.
dieseldave:
Ross v stobart:
Well if you have not caught on yet
You never will.Well mate, I’m also missing your point.
Please explain the point you’re making a bit less cryptically and without the sarcasm, otherwise I might think it’s spam and remove it.
That puts an end to the guessing game.
There was no intention to start a guessing game with any post.
The principal intention of any post is to further a point of view on facts.
No intention to cause any offence.
Appreciate the view of forum members.
I have noticed some tension from some members ,but nothing to cry about.
Best regards.
P R.
dieseldave:
Ross v stobart:
Well if you have not caught on yet
You never will.Well mate, I’m also missing your point.
Please explain the point you’re making a bit less cryptically and without the sarcasm, otherwise I might think it’s spam and remove it.
That puts an end to the guessing game.
I still don’t get what he’s going on about even with his posts after yours DD …
has he had a lobotomy at some point and on repair had some bits left over 
The point is operators and drivers have not got a clue about compliance.
Compliance reduces fatigue.
Drivers drive better when not under symptoms of fatigue.
Almost every other day some driver has a accident thats Considered to be caused by careless driving. HGV drivers have no excuse to be careless and any that are often end up in Jail and jobless. The point is you can believe what you want and you can chat about this and that ,but your missing one important point and thats
In law many operators and drivers are likely running bent because of to many hours ( The fiddle )
Drivers working in excess or false recording are more likely to commit an offence as they may be more tired
Going back to the D H L post what this shows is that large operators are just as bad as the smallest.
what you guys on Truck net should be doing is trying to
Improve driver wages
Reduce excessive hours
Assist fair competition
Assist fair employment.
Improve compliance
And more.
However I see this forum as a bit of a gossip and slander site that cant really can`t change anything.
Anyway
Have a nice Day
And as always
Drive Safely.
And watch out for bikes.
“I may be one of them”
Ross v stobart:
Going back to the D H L post what this shows is that large operators are just as bad as the smallest.what you guys on Truck net should be doing is trying to
Improve driver wages
Reduce excessive hours
Assist fair competition
Assist fair employment.
Improve compliance
And more.
That was tried on another well used site and guess what …
Yes there was a large backing from drivers they even had meeting’s with the RHA and Ministers (mp’s) etc and guess what they all said we’ll look into it and you know what happened F A . as for drivers working together ha ha bloody ha are you really a driver or a wannabie cause if your a driver you need to look closer to home at the drivers you work with 1st …
Ross v stobart:
Going back to the D H L post what this shows is that large operators are just as bad as the smallest.
Now there’s a fair point (now that it’s understandable )
You went a bit arse-about-face in making your point though, because nobody could tell what your OP was trying to get at.
The drivers’ hours laws are there whether anybody likes them or not.
The Police/DVSA enforce drivers’ hours laws, and those in breach get treated by a process contained in the law with punishments if deemed necessary.
Other law says that the TCs can have a go at what’s left after the courts have finished with any miscreants by use of their powers to suspend, revoke or curtail ‘O’ licences. Drivers can also suffer additional suspension of their LGV entitlement at the hands of the TC.
If a driver is working correctly within all limits and is still feeling fatigued, then perhaps that person should reconsider their career options, or take a different driving job that demands less hours.
Thanks for your reply.
I understand your points on the resources of the law, punishments & T C left overs.
Its a shame the T C won`t get any left overs as there is not a menu.
D V S A have not the resources to enforce these listed punishments.
But they look good.
Going to your point on fatigue & driver working time.
if I was honest reg working of 71 hours & 6 days @ 80+ after a while honestly it was tiring by the 5th & 6th day.
I am not saying I could not do but it did seem excessive.
The point on fatigue really concerns everyone and you have to note there is a lot of incidents of careless driving. Cars & HGV
I like others have been fortunate not to be caught up in a accident.
But for drivers who are and are charged with careless or worse it must be terrible.
Is it possible the high work / duty hours has a link to careless behaviour and accidents.
Remember the original 48 hours limit and its intentions.
Ross v stobart:
What it means is
Yes the driving regulations & working regulations have been around for a long time.
There was a bit of a change in 2005 & 2012 but yes some of you chaps are right, things never changed.
And neither have the accident statistics.I believe they are going up as the volume of traffic increases.
The point is operators & some drivers believe that all is in order.
However my worry is although many operators are complying , just as many are not.
D H L thought they could rewrite a drivers data to grab more hours & found out fast that they could not.
The doctoring of working time data was a close call for D H L in 2006 and since then nothings really changed.
I guess there are just as many drivers on here that would agree & equally disagree and the one thing most could agree on is things may never change with reference to the amount of hours drivers work ( up to 86 hours on duty )
Its the amount of hours a driver is on duty that may cause problems for some.
most traffic accidents these days involve someone being careless.
Either another road user ( Car) or a HGV driver.
Most HGV drivers work the maximum they can get away with and often 3 x 15 & 3 x 13 = 86.86 hours 1 week and 71 the next.
That`s way above the so called limit of 48 hours whichever way you decipher it.
And thus you have careless drivers who often end up either in court , in the slammer or on a slab.Going back to this 48 hour limit for H G V drivers and the actual 70 to 80 hours in reality.
Work it out for yourself if you believe the UK transport industry , operators & drivers are fully compliant and understand the importance of compliance.
dude, your calculator is broke