biggusdickusgb:
how do you know they aren’t going home, do you sit there week after week and take their reg numbers down.
I’m afraid I’ve got better things to do with my time than take reg numbers off trucks but some people do and I’m not knocking them for it
when i was working for brewery in malaga on local deliveries we used to get SK trucks in from company called STEELTRANS and drivers used to tell us they loaded groupage in spain or portugal for UK then reload with Carling in burton on trent for us. they never went back to SK with trucks but would park up wherever was cheapest to fly back home when they could afford it. they were paid 1200euros a month.
I think its wrong but you obviously dont see any problem with being undercut by these people as any of your previous posts have pointed out but I wonder whether you would feel the same if your boss called you in one day and said work for half the money or leave as you are being replaced by eastern driver?? 
biggusdickusgb:
i couldn’t see the 3 load rule, where is it published
one of the rules i found is
involve the vehicle(s) in question leaving the UK at least once per month
ship in with one on the 1st, ship out on the 30th, back in on the 1st, all legal
The 3 load rule is part of the new EU interpretation of the cabotage rules widely publicised in Commercial Motor and other magazines. However I am not sure rules apply in this instance due to the fact cabotage relates to tipping/ loading your own trailer these hauliers are not using their own trailers they are pulling other hauliers trailers.There may not even be a requirement for them to leave the country ?, they may be able to operate here as long as they like ? . My complaint remains the same they are not operating on a level playing field and as I said before VOSA would not let a British company flag out and operate solely in the UK so why should they.
Please note that I have no problem with anyone travelling anywhere to earn a living we would all do it but this country is so unbalanced in the way it treats its own in relation to foreigners that sometimes you feel like a foreigner in your own country.
I presume that when you were out-based in Zeebrugge you were only pulling your own companies trailers? . I presume this because I remember from when I did my CPC ™ that it was Illegal under Belgian law to pull 3rd party trailers unless your truck was registered in Belgium or the trailers belonged to your fleet. eg:- Denby could pull Denby but I as an O/D could not pull a Denby trailer in Belgium unless it was just for transit to Germany etc.
milodon:
that is a bit of a disappointment isn’t it, where is your usual response, the 2000-word piece of fiction?
Hes got repetitive strain in his fingers. :laughing: :laughing:
annitram:
I presume that when you were out-based in Zeebrugge you were only pulling your own companies trailers? . I presume this because I remember from when I did my CPC ™ that it was Illegal under Belgian law to pull 3rd party trailers unless your truck was registered in Belgium or the trailers belonged to your fleet. eg:- Denby could pull Denby but I as an O/D could not pull a Denby trailer in Belgium unless it was just for transit to Germany etc.
i know what CPC is i’ve still got an operators license, i was subbying mainly to ferrymasters pulling their trailers to italy
but i also did belgian work, for uk firms and even a belgian firm now and again.
i guess their authorities and hauliers were as concerned about it as much as ours are.
once again i agree there is a problem, but it’s nothing to do with the foreign hauliers, they’re only doing what we did.
welshboyinspain:
I’m afraid I’ve got better things to do with my time than take reg numbers off trucks but some people do and I’m not knocking them for it
when i was working for brewery in malaga on local deliveries we used to get SK trucks in from company called STEELTRANS and drivers used to tell us they loaded groupage in spain or portugal for UK then reload with Carling in burton on trent for us. they never went back to SK with trucks but would park up wherever was cheapest to fly back home when they could afford it. they were paid 1200euros a month.
I think its wrong but you obviously dont see any problem with being undercut by these people as any of your previous posts have pointed out but I wonder whether you would feel the same if your boss called you in one day and said work for half the money or leave as you are being replaced by eastern driver??
i thought you would have better things to do, it was just an illustration to say you can’t know unless you did
i thought we were talking cabotage, what you are quoting now is international work pure and simple.
no different than you bringing a load to the uk and reloading back to spain,
the last boss i did european for moaned it cost him approx £1200 iirc to send his own wagons to spain, the 10 to 15 spaniards loading out of our yard every week were doing it for £700, that isn’t depriving me of a load to spain is it, no of course not, only east europeans do that don’t they
the problem with the spanish at the moment is they’ve been undercutting for years, cutting the job to the bone and now someones come along and done it to them they’re knackered, sorry but what go’s around comes around.
in answer to your last question, i’d leave.
i agree with you that my example is not of cabotage but it is just an example that certain countries don’t seem to require their trucks to return home at regular intervals.
as far as undercutting goes I’m surprised that spanish hauliers will work cheap seeing as we had a strike last summer about rates and fuel prices the only thing i can think of is either they are employing cheap drivers or they have good rate on fridge work, we tip in darlaston every week and in november i was offered 1000euros from london to madrid so ran to belgium for groupage instead.
i also agree that we are all in europe and thats how international work goes but i just don’t see why its accepted that these eastern europeans run back and fore between countries without going anywhere near their home you don’t see uk trucks doing poland to italy and back every week and never going home as the polish or the italians would soon complain whereas spanish trucks most of the time load in spain for export then reload back to spain, same with uk trucks french, german, dutch belgium and other old europeans who load an export then reload for home either directly or via one extra tip and reload.
as for the boss he did ask me to take a pay cut along with nearly 300 others so we all left which is why you now see nolans with paddy betz nickname but plenty of their trucks wrecked and now having to ring up the welsh and english guys to invite them back at better wages
@MIKE-C; PLEASE quote the whole post, as it shows why
i am fed up, and if people would use the search button then you know the flameing answer, OUR SUCSUSSSIVE goverments#which we voted into power refused, and continue to refuse to implement a road charge , for all commerical road traffic THIS WAS DISCUSSED TO DEATH on here before,STOP
BLAMEING those who are profitting from this as we would do the same if we could, and that is the truth,TELL THE goverment to act now, it can be done without any expenseive system as we are a island with only a few ways of leaveing and entering,
TRY going to bustio(I)HAMBURG;ANTWERPEN; RUNGIS
etc do you think the UK is alone,in the amount of vehicles
on the roads, traffic has increased all over, and the customer wishes to
get the load/goods moved as cheap as possible, and stuff the consequences, the vehicles seen at these places and else where are not
all home county lorrys, just like the UK , every one is trying to
get work and some just want to have their fuel tanks filled up,
and mike -c i posted about the road charges becuse one of the posters wants to charge the NON-UK lorrys,
and this has been done to death before,
welshboyinspain:
i agree with you that my example is not of cabotage but it is just an example that certain countries don’t seem to require their trucks to return home at regular intervals.
as far as undercutting goes I’m surprised that spanish hauliers will work cheap seeing as we had a strike last summer about rates and fuel prices the only thing i can think of is either they are employing cheap drivers or they have good rate on fridge work, we tip in darlaston every week and in november i was offered 1000euros from london to madrid so ran to belgium for groupage instead.
i also agree that we are all in europe and thats how international work goes but i just don’t see why its accepted that these eastern europeans run back and fore between countries without going anywhere near their home you don’t see uk trucks doing poland to italy and back every week and never going home as the polish or the italians would soon complain whereas spanish trucks most of the time load in spain for export then reload back to spain, same with uk trucks french, german, dutch belgium and other old europeans who load an export then reload for home either directly or via one extra tip and reload.
as for the boss he did ask me to take a pay cut along with nearly 300 others so we all left which is why you now see nolans with paddy betz nickname but plenty of their trucks wrecked and now having to ring up the welsh and english guys to invite them back at better wages
the spanish hauliers have been undercutting for years, the strike you had last summer was because now that someone is undercutting them they don’t like it and now they want rates standardised so its a level playing field.
if the money was there you’d see loads of british doing poland to italy or from where ever to where ever
i used to regularly run to italy, tip and then load for spain, tip and reload spain for france, tip and then reload timber to germany, tip and reload and drop that trailer in the docks and start again
one trip i did one run to italy reloaded for france, then up to the timber job then spent the rest of the 6 weeks loading timber to germany, reloading to the docks, collect another trailer tip, reload timber etc etc, over 5 weeks solid doing france/germany/france.
it’s always been done, we did it, then the spaniards did it, the portugese did it, now it’s the east europeans turn
as for the nolan scenario, it was good to see that most if not all told them where to go when they were invited back 
milodon:
drew128:
Thanks for clearing that one up Milodon, I guess I can be thankful for that at least.
you surely are welcome, I hope the mail-order bride thing works out great for you.
I will remember you have said this.
And its £195 million per year !!! And according to VOSA’s head of ‘external liason and Stakeholder management’, Alan Scorer they actually contribute nothing towards it.