I thought there must be a reason for it ,the gorenment would not allow that many to run about free of charge.Why dont they use right hand drive trucks it would be safer for all of us
welshboyinspain:
if as you suggest its not illegal to run national trips in foreign truck as long as driver is european then how come romantiek been taken to court by VOSA in uk for cabotage because doing uk work with foreign trucks that don’t leave the country.
there are plenty of eastern europeans who base their trucks outside of their own country and never return home so thats just the same but they get away with it and are able to undercut western european hauliers by paying disgustingly low wages
how do you know they aren’t going home, do you sit there week after week and take their reg numbers down.
i used to do 6 weeks out, then take a load across to come home, as i came home a replacement was shipping out.
an identical motor to mine slipping in with the few off our firm that were already there.
to anyone just looking we were permanently camped in zeeby, even though we were going home regularly.
as for flagging out, isn’t one of the rules that you have to return to country of registration now and again
when murfitts did it they just made sure the vehicles that were flagged went to holland every now and then
romantiek obviously didn’t
[quote=“biggusdickusgb”
how do you know they aren’t going home, do you sit there week after week and take their reg numbers down.
i used to do 6 weeks out, then take a load across to come home, as i came home a replacement was shipping out.
an identical motor to mine slipping in with the few off our firm that were already there.
to anyone just looking we were permanently camped in zeeby, even though we were going home regularly.
as for flagging out, isn’t one of the rules that you have to return to country of registration now and again
when murfitts did it they just made sure the vehicles that were flagged went to Holland every now and then
romantiek obviously didn’t[/quote]
If you go to any of the parking places at any of the ports doing roro to Holland eg Felixstowe, Harwich and Immingham areas you will see many foreign trucks parked up at weekends there is no real incentive to ship back for diesel as the price differential is no longer worth it these guys are here for weeks on end and are working for THIRD PARTY trailer operators such as IRF Euroferry Continental Cargo Carriers etc most of whom concentrate on freight to Germany, Northern France and the Benelux countries. These companies have quite clearly liveried trailers in their own colours and do not do freight to the former Eastern Bloc countries. The latest cabotage ruling is 3 loads so therefore I would expect these trucks to be shipping out by Wednesday most weeks.
It is this type of work ie:- traction operations which suffers most from foreign operators conducting cabotage as because the trailers are usually foreign registered it is more difficult to follow up on and I accept it as such however the argument remains that VOSA should be operating a level playing field when it is quite obvious that they are not doing anything about it at all.
i couldn’t see the 3 load rule, where is it published
one of the rules i found is
involve the vehicle(s) in question leaving the UK at least once per month
ship in with one on the 1st, ship out on the 30th, back in on the 1st, all legal
has anyone seen my post about english work, last time i was in swiss the tax was about 20gbp per 100 kms (ROUGHLY) now all these foreign ----- should have a ticket issued when the arrive in the uk and when they depart they should be charged £20 per 100 km i bet we would soon seem them go to wherever they came from. and us english fellas would soon be back to work, …oh and why do they need to ■■■■ on the floor rather than walk a few yards to a proper toilet
V8 Passion:
has anyone seen my post about english work, last time i was in swiss the tax was about 20gbp per 100 kms (ROUGHLY) now all these foreign ----- should have a ticket issued when the arrive in the uk and when they depart they should be charged £20 per 100 km i bet we would soon seem them go to wherever they came from. and us english fellas would soon be back to work, …oh and why do they need to ■■■■ on the floor rather than walk a few yards to a proper toilet
point 1, switzerland isn’t in the EU, we are
point 2, probably the same reason the british drivers do it
you were shown up to be an ignorant, small minded racist in your english post, i wouldn’t have thought you needed showing again
biggusdickusgb:
V8 Passion:
has anyone seen my post about english work, last time i was in swiss the tax was about 20gbp per 100 kms (ROUGHLY) now all these foreign ----- should have a ticket issued when the arrive in the uk and when they depart they should be charged £20 per 100 km i bet we would soon seem them go to wherever they came from. and us english fellas would soon be back to work, …oh and why do they need to ■■■■ on the floor rather than walk a few yards to a proper toiletpoint 1, switzerland isn’t in the EU, we are
point 2, probably the same reason the british drivers do it
you were shown up to be an ignorant, small minded racist in your english post, i wouldn’t have thought you needed showing again
i used swiss as an example, but benelux italy germany austria spain all have a charge system be it tolls, taxes whatever, it still doesnt take away the fact that the foreigner can come here work for less than a uk operator so why shouldnt they have to pay for using our roads, could you see the french dutch belgis germans letting us work from there ports whilst the local operators had motors parked up not a chance there would soon be riots. call me a racist ignorant whatever but u cant see no further than the end of your snout if you think its fair,
V8 Passion:
i used swiss as an example, but benelux italy germany austria spain all have a charge system be it tolls, taxes whatever, it still doesnt take away the fact that the foreigner can come here work for less than a uk operator so why shouldnt they have to pay for using our roads, could you see the french dutch belgis germans letting us work from there ports whilst the local operators had motors parked up not a chance there would soon be riots. call me a racist ignorant whatever but u cant see no further than the end of your snout if you think its fair,
then you used a stupid example, you should have used the other countries mentioned
by all means bring in a vignette system, i’ve said for years we should have one, but you would only moan you had to pay a vignette for your vehicle.
there wont be riots, if you had read allikats post on your english thread you would’ve noticed someone tell you about loads of locals parked up while foriegners work.
the italians, french, spanish, germans have been using cheap eastern europeans for a lot longer than us,show me where all these countries are rioting?
you are a racist, but unlike you i can see farther than my nose and predicted this a few years ago, whilst you and your ilk were laughing at the foreigners working for the firms that paid less.
you only want these jobs “you wouldn’t get out of bed for” because there’s nothing else about.
I am fed up with people complaining about
that NON-UK trucks are
able to drive on the roads in the UK with out paying
for this use, unless they use a toll road , bridge, or a tunnel,
WILL you people,try reading why, we have no
vignette for roadusers in the UK; Please also bear in mind that, you as a road user will have to PAY as well,
also look back via the SEARCH-BUTTON and you will find that this subject, has been done to death on this site more times than soft mick, i love a debate but not when the person who puts his argument forward, is not fully informened about what he/she is complaining about,
I don’t have a problem with EU drivers working in the UK.
But i do have a problem with the fact that, If i want an O’licence, Then i need a CPC, Opperating centre, Mechanic, £££thounand per lorry, And road tax. And that’s before i turn a wheel.
The foreigners don’t. Just like the ones at Birkenhead who are there week in week out, Never going home, So there is no way they are pulling their own trailers back home, Then to Ireland.
The O’licence system is a money making excercise against UK hauliers.
We should be able to buy a truck, Tax it, Insure it, Fuel it up, Then use it. JOB DONE. Alevel playing field for us all.
limeyphil:
I don’t have a problem with EU drivers working in the UK.
But i do have a problem with the fact that, If i want an O’licence, Then i need a CPC, Opperating centre, Mechanic, £££thounand per lorry, And road tax. And that’s before i turn a wheel.
The foreigners don’t.
Off course they need. Polish truckers for example needs to have Polish operator’s license for international transport, Polish operating centre, they won’t fix they lorries on the lay by with the bare hands (in facts, if the Polish lorry will broke down in UK, it will be a job for British mechanic, no-one will call service van from Poland). Lorries in Poland aren’t given for free, so you have to pay for them as well, only difference is that instead of each £100 you have to pay about 500 zÅ‚. And road tax: there is a tax in Poland called “tax from the transport meanings” or something like that (i am not too good translator of the law terms) and it apply to all big buses and lorries and yet you still have to pay road tax included in Polish fuel price. Until recently there was a system of Vignettes, which was AFAIK withdrawn due to EC requirements, which means that you have to pay for some motorways now. And drivers in Poland needed CPC for years, while in Britain it’s just introduced.
So it’s not that the Polish lorries don’t have to meet costs mentioned by you. It’s only that they need to meet that costs in the country of registration. But as for me it’s OK - no-one would expect British lorries to pay all that in every country they are goint to, isn’t it?
But I think that introducting the tolls or vignettes on the roads in each EC country should do many good, as now some countries have to invest more in the road network due to it’s geographical place: for example there is much more transit traffic in Poland than, say, in Ireland, so rate of foreign vehicles damaging Polish road compared to local will be much higher there… They should pay for using Polish roads, as well as everyone has to pay for using German or French motorways (and it should also be like that in UK).
orys:
Until recently there was a system of Vignettes, which was AFAIK withdrawn due to EC requirements, which means that you have to pay for some motorways now.
well there is the vignette system, alive and well but don’t let that stop you.
AFAIK: that’s mean “As far as I know”, so that’s writen to mark that I am not sure of sth.
But I checked, especially for you.
Last time I chcecked that was July 2008 and it was on the way to scrap them. But in september 2008, as I just googled, goverment decided to keep them and therefore they are.
Rest of the post I still standing for (unless in Tallin they are giving lorries for free, you don’t have to obtain operator’s license and pay taxes for it).
orys:
:roll:
Rest of the post I still standing for (unless in Tallin they are giving lorries for free, you don’t have to obtain operator’s license and pay taxes for it).
well I bought mine and pay taxes, got a licence for it etc but thanks for your childish attempt at humour, I am sure it won’t be the last of many.
milodon:
orys:
:roll:
Rest of the post I still standing for (unless in Tallin they are giving lorries for free, you don’t have to obtain operator’s license and pay taxes for it).well I bought mine and pay taxes, got a licence for it etc but thanks for your childish attempt at humour, I am sure it won’t be the last of many.
Is the horse expensive to keep■■?
drew128:
Is the horse expensive to keep■■?
I wouldn’t know, don’t live in poland you see.
milodon:
drew128:
Is the horse expensive to keep■■?I wouldn’t know, don’t live in poland you see.
Thanks for clearing that one up Milodon, I guess I can be thankful for that at least.
drew128:
Thanks for clearing that one up Milodon, I guess I can be thankful for that at least.
you surely are welcome, I hope the mail-order bride thing works out great for you.
that is a bit of a disappointment isn’t it, where is your usual response, the 2000-word piece of fiction?