edd1974:
Dipper_Dave:
Iâm a little concerned about those who where having an affair, will they be allowed to use their daily fresh air to slip the mistress one. No govt guidelines on this yet.
No close contact so no chance. Weâve all.got a life of chastity now.
And this explains the bog roll shortages. If we canât have â â â due to closeness then thereâs only really one obvious alternative
True but as a responsible member of society Iâm still using the same in cab sock, Iâve used it so much itâs starting to grow a foot.
As much as I love Boris he does tend to â â â â â â â â â these ideas before dropping his â â â â â â â , I mean legislation isnât in place till Thursday.
Coppers gonna be up against it so army next to assist, passes needed to shop etc
Whatever our politcal leanings or voting history ,in a time of national emergency it beholds us all to close ranks and support the Government for the duration.
Optimum:
Whatever our politcal leanings or voting history ,in a time of national emergency it beholds us all to close ranks and support the Government for the duration.
That is a bit problematic Iâd say.
This isnât a war. The Gov do gave choices to make. They have expert advice but it isnât experts making the decisions at the dayâs end.
The way this is handled can, and will, hurt some more than others. Iâm not saying the Gov will be knowingly cynical, but their viewpoint is not neutral.
Stick together as a country, but the Gov must always be subject to being questioned and criticised.
Just been chatting to a mate back in Scotland. Apparently itâs a beautiful sunny day there and everyone is out and about just like at the weekend. Cars driving about as normal, some even towing caravans and hoards of people wandering about.
Me thinks the "stay at home " ainât getting through. More draconian measures on the way?
Whatâs it like elsewhere? Is it just the SCOTS being silly?
Franglais:
Optimum:
Whatever our politcal leanings or voting history ,in a time of national emergency it beholds us all to close ranks and support the Government for the duration.
That is a bit problematic Iâd say.
This isnât a war. The Gov do gave choices to make. They have expert advice but it isnât experts making the decisions at the dayâs end.
The way this is handled can, and will, hurt some more than others. Iâm not saying the Gov will be knowingly cynical, but their viewpoint is not neutral.
Stick together as a country, but the Gov must always be subject to being questioned and criticised.
Itâs problematic if you are a bitter Boris hating remoaner, desperate to be able to say (incorrectly) âI told you soâ at any expense, even the near total devastation of your own society.
idrive:
Franglais:
Optimum:
Whatever our politcal leanings or voting history ,in a time of national emergency it beholds us all to close ranks and support the Government for the duration.
That is a bit problematic Iâd say.
This isnât a war. The Gov do gave choices to make. They have expert advice but it isnât experts making the decisions at the dayâs end.
The way this is handled can, and will, hurt some more than others. Iâm not saying the Gov will be knowingly cynical, but their viewpoint is not neutral.
Stick together as a country, but the Gov must always be subject to being questioned and criticised.
Itâs problematic if you are a bitter Boris hating remoaner, desperate to be able to say (incorrectly) âI told you soâ at any expense, even the near total devastation of your own society.
Is this a case of many thought this, but you actually said it. 
Sorry Mr F.
I mustâve seen about 10-15 campers/caravans today heading for Devon/CornwallâŚ
WTF is wrong with people, also there has been alot of cars with families in & loaded up (as per summer holidays)
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Now i obviously donât know where they are all coming from or going to and some may be perfectly legitimate but after the selfish â â â â â we saw over the weekend i doubt itâŚ
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idrive:
Franglais:
Optimum:
Whatever our politcal leanings or voting history ,in a time of national emergency it beholds us all to close ranks and support the Government for the duration.
That is a bit problematic Iâd say.
This isnât a war. The Gov do gave choices to make. They have expert advice but it isnât experts making the decisions at the dayâs end.
The way this is handled can, and will, hurt some more than others. Iâm not saying the Gov will be knowingly cynical, but their viewpoint is not neutral.
Stick together as a country, but the Gov must always be subject to being questioned and criticised.
Itâs problematic if you are a bitter Boris hating remoaner, desperate to be able to say (incorrectly) âI told you soâ at any expense, even the near total devastation of your own society.
Well, if you think that this problem means the end of free speech, I strongly disagree.
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Except maybe, over hyping panic, such as ânear total devastation of your own societyâ should be reined in.
Get a grip.
It is a problem. A big one. But not gonna be helped by that.
Franglais:
idrive:
Franglais:
Optimum:
Whatever our politcal leanings or voting history ,in a time of national emergency it beholds us all to close ranks and support the Government for the duration.
That is a bit problematic Iâd say.
This isnât a war. The Gov do gave choices to make. They have expert advice but it isnât experts making the decisions at the dayâs end.
The way this is handled can, and will, hurt some more than others. Iâm not saying the Gov will be knowingly cynical, but their viewpoint is not neutral.
Stick together as a country, but the Gov must always be subject to being questioned and criticised.
Itâs problematic if you are a bitter Boris hating remoaner, desperate to be able to say (incorrectly) âI told you soâ at any expense, even the near total devastation of your own society.
Well, if you think that this problem means the end of free speech, I strongly disagree.
.
Except maybe, over hyping panic, such as ânear total devastation of your own societyâ should be reined in.
Get a grip.
It is a problem. A big one. But not gonna be helped by that.
Has Macron not brought in draconian measures too? Listening to the news here in Ireland they too are busy criticizing the UK government for putting the restrictions in, then going to a press conference where Varadkar is putting the same restrictions in place. 
Take the blinkers off, the main people at fault in the UK are the selfish idiots who couldnât or wouldnât do as they were told, plenty of warning has come via the press and government about what you needed to do but no one took any notice, how is that the governments fault?
Same as when people blame the government for the NHS not having enough PPE, why werenât NHS mangers ordering it in January? Or do people think that the Prime Minister sits down each Monday morning and puts in a re-supply request for the NHSâs needs for the following week. This crisis is showing that there are a lot of people in managerial roles who if they werenât there no one would notice right up from RDC site managers to NHS managers all drawing their wages under false pretences and passing the buck rather than take some responsibilty
Mazzer2:
This crisis is showing that there are a lot of people in managerial roles who if they werenât there no one would notice right up from RDC site managers to NHS managers all drawing their wages under false pretences and passing the buck rather than take some responsibilty
^^^^^ Absolutely 100% on the mark. Never mind Covid, for years our management have suffered from chronic mediocrity.
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
idrive:
Franglais:
Optimum:
Whatever our politcal leanings or voting history ,in a time of national emergency it beholds us all to close ranks and support the Government for the duration.
That is a bit problematic Iâd say.
This isnât a war. The Gov do gave choices to make. They have expert advice but it isnât experts making the decisions at the dayâs end.
The way this is handled can, and will, hurt some more than others. Iâm not saying the Gov will be knowingly cynical, but their viewpoint is not neutral.
Stick together as a country, but the Gov must always be subject to being questioned and criticised.
Itâs problematic if you are a bitter Boris hating remoaner, desperate to be able to say (incorrectly) âI told you soâ at any expense, even the near total devastation of your own society.
Well, if you think that this problem means the end of free speech, I strongly disagree.
.
Except maybe, over hyping panic, such as ânear total devastation of your own societyâ should be reined in.
Get a grip.
It is a problem. A big one. But not gonna be helped by that.
Has Macron not brought in draconian measures too? Listening to the news here in Ireland they too are busy criticizing the UK government for putting the restrictions in, then going to a press conference where Varadkar is putting the same restrictions in place.
Take the blinkers off, the main people at fault in the UK are the selfish idiots who couldnât or wouldnât do as they were told, plenty of warning has come via the press and government about what you needed to do but no one took any notice, how is that the governments fault?
Same as when people blame the government for the NHS not having enough PPE, why werenât NHS mangers ordering it in January? Or do people think that the Prime Minister sits down each Monday morning and puts in a re-supply request for the NHSâs needs for the following week. This crisis is showing that there are a lot of people in managerial roles who if they werenât there no one would notice right up from RDC site managers to NHS managers all drawing their wages under false pretences and passing the buck rather than take some responsibilty
Managers can only spend the money theyâre given.
The amount is decided by politicians.
They donât get to order what they want and then send the bill in!
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the maoster:
Mazzer2:
This crisis is showing that there are a lot of people in managerial roles who if they werenât there no one would notice right up from RDC site managers to NHS managers all drawing their wages under false pretences and passing the buck rather than take some responsibilty
^^^^^ Absolutely 100% on the mark. Never mind Covid, for years our management have suffered from chronic mediocrity.
So the managers get it the neck because they canât make a silk â â â â â from a sowâs ear?
You sound like Stalin! Blaming the managers for their failure to carry out an impossible task, given to them by their political masters.
Franglais:
Managers can only spend the money theyâre given.
The amount is decided by politicians.
They donât get to order what they want and then send the bill in!
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Bit of a cop out answer that, the money is allocated to departments and those departments decide how to spend it. Goes back to the quality of management, rock the boat and kick up a fuss and risk possibly ending your career but doing the right thing or just sitting there like a muppet and taking your exorbitant wage under false pretences. The NHS has a horrendous track record for the way it treats people who speak out so it shouldnât be surprised that itâs managers arenât up to the job.
idrive:
cav551:
Coronavirus: Teens held for 'coughing in face' of elderly couple - BBC News
Their parents should be made to watch them being executed.
The âpasserbyâ was none other than Tommy R.
Funny there is no mention of that in the media.
Go Tommy
youtu.be/WRqFQCcUszY
I donât care if it was TR or Christopher Biggins.
Itâs about time people find some courage and tackle these pieces of crap. Well done Tommy, I hope you see this post/thread or someone shares it with youâŚRESPECT TO YOU.( I SUSPECT I SPEAK FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF TRUCK DRIVERS).
Franglais:
the maoster:
Mazzer2:
This crisis is showing that there are a lot of people in managerial roles who if they werenât there no one would notice right up from RDC site managers to NHS managers all drawing their wages under false pretences and passing the buck rather than take some responsibilty
^^^^^ Absolutely 100% on the mark. Never mind Covid, for years our management have suffered from chronic mediocrity.
So the managers get it the neck because they canât make a silk â â â â â from a sowâs ear?
You sound like Stalin! Blaming the managers for their failure to carry out an impossible task, given to them by their political masters.
Franglais your true colours are now showing no criticism of other leaders just the UKâs, no country could have been 100% prepared for this and while the UK may have been to slow to act initially it has caught up and overtaken other countries in some areas. The financial assistance is probably the best in the world, in Ireland the government has said it will pay 70% of your wage BUT only if your company pays the other 30% so if your company canât pay that then no help from the government except the dole.
Money has been poured into the NHS for years yet very little reform to some of itâs practices especially in the area of purchasing equipment, prices varying massively for the same product when bought by different health authorities, The PFI signed off by Labour causing trusts to be in massive debt with ridiculous maintenance contracts. The NHS has been blighted by bad management for years but because it is just âgovernment moneyâ that gets wasted then weâll just ask the government for more
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
Managers can only spend the money theyâre given.
The amount is decided by politicians.
They donât get to order what they want and then send the bill in!
.
Bit of a cop out answer that, the money is allocated to departments and those departments decide how to spend it. Goes back to the quality of management, rock the boat and kick up a fuss and risk possibly ending your career but doing the right thing or just sitting there like a muppet and taking your exorbitant wage under false pretences. The NHS has a horrendous track record for the way it treats people who speak out so it shouldnât be surprised that itâs managers arenât up to the job.
Can you point to a mountain of unused supplies anywhere? Can you show mis-spent funds?
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The UK currently has 2.8 doctors per 1,000 population, against the EU average of 3.4.
They are almost 25% better served than us.
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Intensive care beds:
In 2013 the UK had 2.76, 2017 we had 2.54.
Germany in 2017 had 8.0, Poland had 6.0, Japan 13!
2013 to 2017 China went from 3.31 to 4.34.
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That isnât due to managers ordering the wrong paper-clips!
It wasnât NHS managers who signed those PFI deals was it?
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âMy true coloursâ?
What? Have I ever mislead you or anyone else by flying false flags?
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I pay full UK tax and use the NHS service. I have a right to comment on the way politicians use my taxes.
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Franglais:
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
Managers can only spend the money theyâre given.
The amount is decided by politicians.
They donât get to order what they want and then send the bill in!
.
Bit of a cop out answer that, the money is allocated to departments and those departments decide how to spend it. Goes back to the quality of management, rock the boat and kick up a fuss and risk possibly ending your career but doing the right thing or just sitting there like a muppet and taking your exorbitant wage under false pretences. The NHS has a horrendous track record for the way it treats people who speak out so it shouldnât be surprised that itâs managers arenât up to the job.
Can you point to a mountain of unused supplies anywhere? Can you show mis-spent funds?
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The UK currently has 2.8 doctors per 1,000 population, against the EU average of 3.4.
They are almost 25% better served than us.
.
Intensive care beds:
In 2013 the UK had 2.76, 2017 we had 2.54.
Germany in 2017 had 8.0, Poland had 6.0, Japan 13!
2013 to 2017 China went from 3.31 to 4.34.
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That isnât due to managers ordering the wrong paper-clips!
There have been many investigations into the NHS procurement prices and how they vary form authority to authority I am sure a search of the BBC will produce one or two.
With regards to money not being well spent perhaps if there were less managers paid more than the PM then there might be money for intensive care. Comparing countries does not paint a true picture as they are funded in different ways for example in Germany and Ireland you need health insurance so the government is not picking up the full bill, as an example in Ireland you pay for any food you consume while in hospital through your health insurance a visit to your GP is 60 euro and that includes children. The NHS cannot continue as it is without a massive shake up and people accepting that there are some services it cannot no longer provide but that is not what the UK population want so they will continue to get a second rate service from their health provider. Since 2013 managers have increased at a rate of 16% while doctors have increased by 8% and nurses by 2%.
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-43794816
Franglais:
It wasnât NHS managers who signed those PFI deals was it?
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âMy true coloursâ?
What? Have I ever mislead you or anyone else by flying false flags?
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I pay full UK tax and use the NHS service. I have a right to comment on the way politicians use my taxes.
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You are correct it wasnât managers who signed the PFI deals it was Labour, yet no criticism of Labour from you on that, all parties make political mistakes but some people can only see the mistakes that the ones they dislike make and not their own. You will criticize Johnson no matter what he does ffs even the TUC are supporting him on this one after it is over then lessons can be learnt then if they are not learnt it is fair to call out the incompetence just like the NHS says it will learn after itâs incompetence is brought to light except it never does which why the same mistakes are repeated, which brings us full circle back to incompetent managers.
the maoster:
Mazzer2:
This crisis is showing that there are a lot of people in managerial roles who if they werenât there no one would notice right up from RDC site managers to NHS managers all drawing their wages under false pretences and passing the buck rather than take some responsibilty
^^^^^ Absolutely 100% on the mark. Never mind Covid, for years our management have suffered from chronic mediocrity.
Maybe after this is over, companies might realise that they donât need half of the pointy shoeâd idiots, and get rid,⌠Also with all this home-working, companies could tell staff to carry on, and close offices to save money, and reduce trafficâŚ