Hi gang
We’ve got a brand new MAN TGL and I drove it today for the first time.
Come the end of the day I was trying to open the tacho drawer and remove my card but cannot get it open. Its a Veeder Root 2400 tacho which takes a disc in a drawer like a CD. I went through the in cab manuals but theres not one for the tacho
It looks like this
Anybody know this and can tell me which buttons to press to retrieve my card?
Otherwise I’ll be off down the MAN dealers tomorrow.
Thanks
Calv
Press the button that looks like an eject button on a CD player - VCR under where the clock and odometer is displayed. . The MODE LEDs on driver one and two will start going from left to right. When all three MODE LEDS flash on each side, simply press the front of the unit in and it’ll spring back. Pull it towards you and it drops down. When placing the chart in, have it facing up and make sure the top is under the two plastic squares at the back.
Instructions as above, but, ignition must be on.
Push button in red circle
DAFMAD:
this needed highlighting. so many people have got stroppy all because they didnt have the ignition on. you need it on to get the odometer reading anyway so whip your tacho out when you start closing down your paperwork.
and yes, i did fall for it myself. its even more fun when you are double manned 
I think you have to press it for a second or two, in other words kjeep your finger on it until it pushes at your finger.
Double manned ■■?
How do u put a 2nd tacho in this one !
Older units had a flap where u slotted the 2nd disc behind, i couldnt find out how to do this on this unit…
Rgds
LL
Logistics Loader:
Double manned ■■?How do u put a 2nd tacho in this one !
Older units had a flap where u slotted the 2nd disc behind, i couldnt find out how to do this on this unit…
Rgds
LL
They also have a flap where you slot the second tacho.
Logistics Loader:
Double manned ■■?How do u put a 2nd tacho in this one !
Older units had a flap where u slotted the 2nd disc behind, i couldnt find out how to do this on this unit…
Rgds
LL
welcome to the problem every driver had in our place 
open the head and pull it out. as you look at it, there is a smooth panel at the top which covers almost half the face. the second mans chart slides under it while the first mans goes on top and under the little plastic things at the top
the flap doesnt open. believe me, people have tried and almost broken it 
On the ones made by Siemens, as fitted by Volvo for instance, to insert a second drivers chart the balck palstic bit that the first chart sits on just flips up and it is easy to insert the second chart. The ignition also needs to be on to open the head with this make as well.
Thanks for the replies everybody. I was able to get the thing open this morning and swap the cards over. Luckily the card wasn’t in for the full 24 hours so I didn’t spoil it.
Not sure about the design “feature” that has put the tacho unit above the screen though. It is very easy to forget to change the mode and the only way to see the display is to stand up in the centre of the cab.
Do other MAN trucks with the TG cab have the tacho up there?
Calv
the ERF does. to be honest, i prefer it up there out the way. my biggest gripe is the position of the radio. it isnt the best angle to see the display
The worst placing for those I’ve seen is on the Merc Atego where it is on the bottom of the dash between the steering column and the drivers door at seat squab height. You have to open the door and bend over to see it and I’ve caught them with my knee a few times.
Logistics Loader:
Double manned ■■?How do u put a 2nd tacho in this one !
theres a slot underneath where the 1st tacho fits, look hard its there
but using it, the 2nd tacho will only record work mode (rest/drive/other), while the 1st (top tacho records speed, distance etc
for the 2nd driver to drive, the tacho head has to be opened and the cards physically swopped round.
and while we`re on the subject, your gonna need to know how to adjust the time for BST in the next couple of weeks, the button with the white dot on it, press and hold for 3-5 seconds, the display will then start flashing, then press again and the display will cycle through the hours, minutes etc, use the other button next to it to adjust to the correct time, then press and hold the white dot button to accept setttngs, (think if you leave the display alone for 30+ secs it will revert back to normal mode)
the same dot button, can be used to select trip meter etc
we had the same tachos in the ERF ects at wincanton last year
a word of warning though once you have pushed the draw of the head closed, give it several seconds to settle, youll hear it making a wurrring noise, its just the tacho lining up inside the head, then select mode and off you go. we had several occations of drivers closing the draw and setting off imediately, resulting in the chart being chewed up completely, and ripped on the pear, and believe me once that happens they are difficult to get out. **also** if the tacho head is above your head, youd be advised to close the draw at the end of you shift, because if its left open, youll hit your head on it getting in/out of the cab, and boy does it hurt :cry: :cry: :open_mouth: and it dont do the draw any god either
peirre:
and while we`re on the subject, your gonna need to know how to adjust the time for BST in the next couple of weeks,
The Siemens version are self adjusting for BST/GMT, as long as there is no disc in the head. If you turn the ignition on for the first time after the clocks have changed, last Sunday in March and October, you will hear the unit make a whirring sound, when it stops the time has been adjusted. If you happen to be doing a shift that overlaps the time when the clocks change, it will adjust the time when you take the disc out at the end of the shift and close the drawer.
Another point worth mentioning is that unlike the older style heads, where it was recommended to keep a blank disc, or plastic blank, in the second driver position, the user manual for the Siemens units states that the second driver slot should remain empty when there is no second driver. I am not sure if the same applies to the Veeder Root model as I haven’t used one.
Coffeeholic:
I am not sure if the same applies to the Veeder Root model as I haven’t used one.
it aint nessesary to have a 2nd disc in. the only reason why I found out how to double man the tacho was because when I 1st started driving the ERFs for wincanton, I had to do a couple of weeks training with another driver, which was a doddle. but at the time no-one on site knew how to insert the 2nd disc in the head. so we figured how to do it. then 1 of us would drive up to a drop/RDC while the other kipped or read the paper,
then weed change over for the return leg :smiley: :smiley: me and my mate managed to keep the *trainng* going for several more weeks than nessesary, telling the TM that I hadnt been to so & so RDC, and it would be a great idea IF my mate showed my where this other place was 
its amazing how many people can turn a few hours worth of training into a few weeks
scanny77:
its amazing how many people can turn a few hours worth of training into a few weeks
5 days turned into 8 weeks 
I have one of these in my TGA. You have to press the eject button twice to eject the disk. Press once then wait for the mode lights on driver 1 and driver 2 to start flashing alternatley then press the eject button again and the tray should pop out.
The second driver disk slots behind the first driver card, you have to slide it under the plastic base if that makes sense. I had to the get the fitter to show where it went
Thanks for replies guys…
However, surely if you are double manned the whole purpose of a 2 person tacho is to be able to swop drivers as required.
Surely, if you open the tacho mid shift to swop cards then is that not breaking the law■■? As driver 1’s tacho will have a break in his trace…!!!
I have found the slot which was mentioned for the 2nd disc
Rgds
LL
Logistics Loader:
Thanks for replies guys…However, surely if you are double manned the whole purpose of a 2 person tacho is to be able to swop drivers as required.
Surely, if you open the tacho mid shift to swop cards then is that not breaking the law■■?
Nope, it is the only way to operate a tacho head for two drivers.
Logistics Loader:
As driver 1’s tacho will have a break in his trace…!!!
A very small break which any enforcement officer will know the reason for when they inspect the discs. This isn’t unique to the newer ,drawer, style heads, you have to do the same thing with the older style heads as well