Hi This is my first post so be gentle…
My question is to do with driver hours and daily rest etc .
Monday I do a normal shift starting at 9 am finishing about 18/19hrs
Tuesday day off.
Wednesday start at aprox 14.00 and do a doubleman from Glasgow to London and back to Glasgow by 14.00 on Thursday.
Then I do the same doubleman on Friday 14.00 to 1400 on Saturday.
How can this be achieved and how does this affect my weekly and daily rest?
Thanks in advance.
Sorry finish time on Monday is 18.00/19.00 hrs.
explorer1234:
Hi This is my first post so be gentle…
My question is to do with driver hours and daily rest etc .Monday I do a normal shift starting at 9 am finishing about 18/19hrs
Tuesday day off.
Wednesday start at aprox 14.00 and do a doubleman from Glasgow to London and back to Glasgow by 14.00 on Thursday.
Then I do the same doubleman on Friday 14.00 to 1400 on Saturday.How can this be achieved and how does this affect my weekly and daily rest?
Thanks in advance.
I hope you have 9 hours of unbroken rest with the vehicle stationary in that 1400 to 1400 period because the max shift length when double manning is 21 hours
Mon finish at 1900 and a wed start at 1400 = reduced weekly rest of 43 hours
sat finish at 1400 and a mon start at 0900 = reduced weekly rest of 43 hours
That means you never have the required 45 hours full weekly rest every other week by my calculations
Well it can’t be done because you can only double man for a max of 21 hrs plus 9 hrs rest to fit into your 30 hr shift. Welcome to TNUK anyway.
Depends on what part of London and how much driving time you expect the trip to take, also how long you will be in London.
If you can do the trip one way in 10 hours driving time or less and get loaded/unloaded quick you could take advantage of the multi-manning concession on daily rest periods but you would need to be back in Glasgow by 11:00 Thursday and the same would apply to the second trip.
Otherwise it means a daily rest period on route.
See if I get this right. 14.00hr to 14.00hrs is 24hrs which in turn leaves me with 6hrs which totals 30hrs.Is this okay so far? Now as this is not the 9hrs required rest that is required,for it to work the 6 hrs would then have to show as part of split rest. Hope this right so far.
So this means I would have have not 3hrs rest but 4hrs whilst in London.
Does that fit?
tachograph:
Depends on what part of London and how much driving time you expect the trip to take, also how long you will be in London.If you can do the trip one way in 10 hours driving time or less and get loaded/unloaded quick you could take advantage of the multi-manning concession on daily rest periods but you would need to be back in Glasgow by 11:00 Thursday and the same would apply to the second trip.
Otherwise it means a daily rest period on route.
But the op said that he done the round trip twice and took 24 hrs both times so a bit naughty.
Starting at 1400 fri and then finishing at 1100 sat after doing the max 21 hours will leave 46 hours before starting at 0900 mon therefore giving you the full 45 hours weekly rest
explorer1234:
See if I get this right. 14.00hr to 14.00hrs is 24hrs which in turn leaves me with 6hrs which totals 30hrs.Is this okay so far? Now as this is not the 9hrs required rest that is required,for it to work the 6 hrs would then have to show as part of split rest. Hope this right so far.
So this means I would have have not 3hrs rest but 4hrs whilst in London.Does that fit?
No sorry but that’s not legal, whatever you do you need at-least a 9 consecutive hour daily rest period, nothing else is legal.
bald bloke:
tachograph:
Depends on what part of London and how much driving time you expect the trip to take, also how long you will be in London.If you can do the trip one way in 10 hours driving time or less and get loaded/unloaded quick you could take advantage of the multi-manning concession on daily rest periods but you would need to be back in Glasgow by 11:00 Thursday and the same would apply to the second trip.
Otherwise it means a daily rest period on route.
But the op said that he done the round trip twice and took 24 hrs both times so a bit naughty.
But he’s having a 24 hour rest period between the two trips 14:00 Thursday to 14:00 Friday 
edit:
Also as I said he would need to be finished by 11:00 so that’s 21 hours from start to finish.
explorer1234:
See if I get this right. 14.00hr to 14.00hrs is 24hrs which in turn leaves me with 6hrs which totals 30hrs.Is this okay so far? Now as this is not the 9hrs required rest that is required,for it to work the 6 hrs would then have to show as part of split rest. Hope this right so far.
So this means I would have have not 3hrs rest but 4hrs whilst in London.Does that fit?
Starting at 1400 on one day means that the 30 hours is up by 2000 hours the next and within that 30 hours you must have 9 unbroken hours of rest in a stationary truck with a bunk available - that applies to both drivers
OR put another way …
Starting at 1400 means the 9 hours of unbroken daily rest must start no later than 1100 the next day
Sorry guys.
I should have said, its a new job that I have been offered. The manager just breifly said approx 14.00 to 14.00. It maybe less. All I know is it M8 Springburn,Glasgow to some fruit and veg wholesaler in London. I like a number of others thought stupidly that I could take my rest on the way up or on the way down.
If it takes less than the 24 hr I would like to know more about the reduced rest that you mentioned.
By the way guys this is appreciated.
explorer1234:
See if I get this right. 14.00hr to 14.00hrs is 24hrs which in turn leaves me with 6hrs which totals 30hrs.Is this okay so far? Now as this is not the 9hrs required rest that is required,for it to work the 6 hrs would then have to show as part of split rest. Hope this right so far.
Nope, as others have already said, double manning allows for a maximum shift length of 21h after which you are required to take at least 9h off. If you can’t do your round trip in 21h then you will need to have 9h off (with the vehicle stationary) at some point during the trip.
Paul
It’ll be tight trying to do that in 21 hrs.
explorer1234:
If it takes less than the 24 hr I would like to know more about the reduced rest that you mentioned.
I assume you mean the multi-manning concession on daily rest periods
When multi-manning you should have a daily rest period of at-least 9 hours within 30 hours from the start of the shift, so effectively you have 21 hours from start to finish, otherwise you’ll need a daily rest period on route.
Check out page 21 Rules on Drivers Hours and Tachographs
explorer1234:
I like a number of others thought stupidly that I could take my rest on the way up or on the way down
You can have your breaks in a moving vehicle but not a daily rest period.
Thanks guys this is much appreciated.
I think the way as you have mentioned, is me doing 4.30 and taking my break while the other drives gets us to London and the same back up. At least it saves approx 2hrs. I’ ll need to get the exact destination and what waiting time tl expect.
Thanks again Guys
explorer1234:
Thanks guys this is much appreciated.I think the way as you have mentioned, is me doing 4.30 and taking my break while the other drives gets us to London and the same back up. At least it saves approx 2hrs. I’ ll need to get the exact destination and what waiting time tl expect.
Thanks again Guys
That will make no difference to the overall time from start to finish
Swapping every 2 hours will have the same effect as swapping every 4 hours
Thanks guys…
ROG:
explorer1234:
Thanks guys this is much appreciated.I think the way as you have mentioned, is me doing 4.30 and taking my break while the other drives gets us to London and the same back up. At least it saves approx 2hrs. I’ ll need to get the exact destination and what waiting time tl expect.
Thanks again Guys
That will make no difference to the overall time from start to finish
Swapping every 2 hours will have the same effect as swapping every 4 hours
Given that you’ve got to stop the vehicle and spend time changing the charts/cards over every time you swap drivers how can changing over every couple of hours have the same affect on the overall journey time as swapping drivers every 4 to 4½ hours 
You need to work on your maths ROG
tachograph:
ROG:
explorer1234:
Thanks guys this is much appreciated.I think the way as you have mentioned, is me doing 4.30 and taking my break while the other drives gets us to London and the same back up. At least it saves approx 2hrs. I’ ll need to get the exact destination and what waiting time tl expect.
Thanks again Guys
That will make no difference to the overall time from start to finish
Swapping every 2 hours will have the same effect as swapping every 4 hours
Given that you’ve got to stop the vehicle and spend time changing the charts/cards over every time you swap drivers how can changing over every couple of hours have the same affect on the overall journey time as swapping drivers every 4 to 4½ hours
You need to work on your maths ROG
Plus the OP obviously thought, obvious to most people except ROG of course, 
they would have to stop for their breaks rather than taking them while the other drives. There’s the ‘approx 2hrs’ he refers to right there.