trux:
No , but i did hear you get a free takeaway with every purchase of a L/Rover
Courtesy of the local fetch and carry co.Must be why they named the company after them ? Ta , Ta its broken again
see it soon when its fixed
Tell me about it, ours spends more time in the garage than on the road, I prefer the Land Cruiser itās more comfortable. 
I found THIS VIDEO about the HA - donāt know how old it is thoughā¦
Wait for the first short vid to end then click on the pic of the lady HATO 
Had one pull off the hard shoulder in front of me this weekā¦burnt the hairs off the back of his neck when i lit him upā¦but he did put his hand up to say sorry, he was in a rush the get to a 3 car shunt i just passed.
Then i started thinkingā¦the traffic is moving passed said shunt perfectly well without them, then i thought, when they get there the motorway will come to a standstill. 
ROG:
I found THIS VIDEO about the HA - donāt know how old it is thoughā¦
The Nissan Pathfinder!!We havenāt had one of them for over 18 months, they were absolutely rubbish and no good for the job, our one had the engine replaced at 100,000 miles because it blew up!! It was just over 18 months old when we got shut of it. 
ROG:
I found THIS VIDEO about the HA - donāt know how old it is thoughā¦
Couple of years i would think Rob. The HA binned nissans they where not up to the job not man enough gutless for pulling off of hard shoulders and just down right dangerous for trying to exit stage left in hairy situations.
do you work friday nights???didnt see one last night 
dreva:
do you work friday nights???didnt see one last night
I didnāt personally, Iām on my holidays Iām pretty sure the lads and lasses were out pounding the tarmac as usual.
How come highways agency vehicle seem to be excempt from construction and use regs regarding rear lights?
The rear lights are in the place of the fog lamps and the fog lamps are in the place of the rear lights.
I other words the rear lights are too low for that size vehicle.
limeyphil:
How come highways agency vehicle seem to be excempt from construction and use regs regarding rear lights?The rear lights are in the place of the fog lamps and the fog lamps are in the place of the rear lights.
I other words the rear lights are too low for that size vehicle.
Which type of vehicle are you refering to: Land Rover, Shogun, Land Cruiser,or the Grandis car 
Greg:
Lighting mcqueen:
chippy:
Do Hato officers have any advanced driver training and if so is thier driving checked on a regular basis.My point being I have seen some far from safe overtaking by Hato officers in the past. And no, there was no incident further down the road.
Or is it the case Hato officers have the same basic training as a normal police officer
Yes TOs go through and are assessed on a defensive driving course they
Are also subjected to a vigorous 4x4 off road all weather course designed
by land rover. Driving standard is not checked regularly.My point being I have seen some far from safe overtaking by Hato officers in the past. And no, there was no incident further down the road.
I canāt comment on this one, their could be a number of reasons for this type of driving behaviour. They should still stick to the rules of the road unless the road is closed.The driver training is different to that of the police that said a lot of hatos are ex police fire or ambulance and will have experience previous of response driving but should stay Inline with HA guidelines.
how long is your driving course that you do with the police??
Police response driving courses normally last 2-3 weeks dependant on which force
is training you.
The HA defensive course takes a week with a one day 4x4 all weather course.
The driver training company was junction17.net/ .
Why do people come on this site to issue personal insults at people?
If you can,t issue a sensible and cohesive response to a post then it only proves that you haven,t got the intelligence to make a cohesive argument to the post you are replying to so why insult the people on here such as the HATO ,s ?
Like them or loathe them they have a role to play in safety the same as you do and like you they will sometimes get it wrong unless you are perfect as some on this site seem to think they are!
As a fitter (many moons ago) who has been in the same position as āwrecktechā i.e. working on the h/s of a motorway and spending many hours repairing vehicles as I have said in a previous post I, (in them days) would have welcomed them with open arms as they (hopefully) would ensure that I go home at night to my beloved and my children.
What is better to have a fitter / driver working in relative safety of one lane closed or take your life in your hands and have trucks / cars etc. passing you a couple of feet away I know which I would prefer ?
Would you like to be the one facing a charge of āDeath by Dangerous Drivingā or some other charge and a possible prison sentence just because someone decided not to close a lane of the m/way so someone could work in relative safety what is the problem with having a delay of say 20 minutes or so to save someone getting hurt or killed.
Instead of castigating the HATO,s why not take up the offer from one to spend a day with him to see what they actually do before slagging them off, then form an unbiased opinion of whether they are a āwaste of spaceā or not as one post said!
Would you like to be the police family liaison officer who has the job off telling some wife that the hubby she kissed goodbye to this morning was his last one and is now in the mortuary and her young kids have no father all because no one closed one lane of the m/way so he could work in some relative safety?
Put it another way if āYOUā are the one who is doing something to your vehicle on the h/s and someone nearly ploughs in to you are you going to say āno problem mateā or are you going to say you stupid [zb] idiot, I doubt you will say the former !
auto censor dodge removedā¦colingl
I think people just need educating. I understand because the cars look like police vehicles some people automatically jump on the defensive and try and stick the boot In and because we bite back we are police wanabees. We have our on own specific Role/job to do and until people understand properly they will continue to generalize Thatās ok thou! no need to get upset about it.
Hopefully through forums like this, in which I also have a personal interest coming from a truck driving family and being hgv holder myself people can ask what they like about the HATOs role and if I have the answer I will tell them.
Lighting mcqueen:
limeyphil:
How come highways agency vehicle seem to be excempt from construction and use regs regarding rear lights?The rear lights are in the place of the fog lamps and the fog lamps are in the place of the rear lights.
I other words the rear lights are too low for that size vehicle.
Which type of vehicle are you refering to: Land Rover, Shogun, Land Cruiser,or the Grandis car
Land rover. I think.
as a hgv driver if i see anyone on the hard shoulder i pull out into the middle lane they call it awareness and planning granted not all do but i always do wether it be a car driver lorry driver whoever its the safest thing to do if anyones behind they tend to follow when your indicaters on
limeyphil:
Lighting mcqueen:
limeyphil:
How come highways agency vehicle seem to be excempt from construction and use regs regarding rear lights?The rear lights are in the place of the fog lamps and the fog lamps are in the place of the rear lights.
I other words the rear lights are too low for that size vehicle.
Which type of vehicle are you refering to: Land Rover, Shogun, Land Cruiser,or the Grandis car
Land rover. I think.
The flashing warning lights on the rear bumper on the discos and land cruisers are addional lighting to the stardard lighting on the vehicles.
The use of rear red lights are used under Police purposes this is due to the nature of the job ie having to close down lanes on high speed roads.
Lighting mcqueen:
limeyphil:
Lighting mcqueen:
limeyphil:
How come highways agency vehicle seem to be excempt from construction and use regs regarding rear lights?The rear lights are in the place of the fog lamps and the fog lamps are in the place of the rear lights.
I other words the rear lights are too low for that size vehicle.
Which type of vehicle are you refering to: Land Rover, Shogun, Land Cruiser,or the Grandis car
Land rover. I think.
The flashing warning lights on the rear bumper on the discos and land cruisers are addional lighting to the stardard lighting on the vehicles.
The use of rear red lights are used under Police purposes this is due to the nature of the job ie having to close down lanes on high speed roads.
Iām not on about the extra lights, just the standard factory fitted ones.
i saw HATO in a 4x4 on A14 at barrow near bury st eds heading towards cambridge must be the first. Also 2 weeks ago on A14 woolpit a horse box had broken down I kid you NOT a suffolk police volvo estate was pulling it along to some where safe. About a year ago i was talking to a traffic cop and he said suffolk police dont want wombles round here they wont do any thing to help ie get hands dirty changing a pensioners tyre like we do. Congratulations to that cop in that volvo for doing his bit. Also police drivers turn there wheels sharp left hand down HATO dont theres are kept straight.
limeyphil:
How come highways agency vehicle seem to be excempt from construction and use regs regarding rear lights?The rear lights are in the place of the fog lamps and the fog lamps are in the place of the rear lights.
I other words the rear lights are too low for that size vehicle.
THAT would be this one then 
SCHEDULE 10
(Regulations 18 and 20)
PART I
REQUIREMENTS RELATING TO OBLIGATORY REAR POSITION LAMPS AND TO OPTIONAL REAR POSITION LAMPS TO THE EXTENT SPECIFIED IN PART II
At or near the rear
(b) Lateral-
(i) Where two lamps are required to be fitted-
(A) Maximum distance from the side of the vehicle-
(1) Any vehicle not covered by sub-paragraph (2):
400 mm
(2) A motor vehicle first used before 1st April 1986 and any other vehicle manufactured before 1st October 1985:
800 mm
(B) Minimum separation distance between a pair of rear position lamps-
(1) Any vehicle not covered by sub-paragraph (2):
500 mm. If the overall width of the vehicle is less than 1400 mm, 400 mm or if less than 800 mm, 300 mm
(2) A motor vehicle first used before 1st April 1986 and any other vehicle manufactured before 1st October 1985:
No requirement
(ii) Where one lamp is required to be fitted:
On the centre-line or off side of the vehicle
(iii) Where four lamps are required to be fitted-
(A) Maximum distance from the side of the vehicle-
(1) One pair of lamps:
Such that they satisfy the relevant requirements in sub-paragraph 2(b)(i)(A)
(2) The other pair of lamps:
No requirement
(B) Minimum separation distance between rear position lamps-
(1) One pair of lamps:
Such that they satisfy the relevant requirements in sub-paragraph 2(b)(i)(B)
(2) The other pair of lamps:
No requirement
u Vertical-[/u]
u Maximum height above the ground where one or two rear position lamps are required to be fitted-[/u]
u Any vehicle not covered by sub-paragraph (B) or (C):[/u]
1500 mm or, if the structure of the vehicle makes this impracticable, 2100 mm
(B) A bus first used before 1st April 1986:
No requirement
(C) A motor vehicle first used before 1st April 1986 not being a bus, a trailer manufactured before 1st October 1985, an agricultural vehicle, a horse-drawn vehicle, an industrial tractor and engineering plant:
2100 mm
(ii) Maximum height above the ground where four rear position lamps are required to be fitted-
(A) One pair of lamps:
Such that they satisfy the relevant requirements in paragraph 2(c)(i)
(B) The other pair of lamps:
No requirement
u Minimum height above the ground-[/u]
u A vehicle not covered by sub-paragraph (B):[/u]
350 mm
(B) A motor vehicle first used before 1st April 1986 and any other vehicle manufactured before 1st October 1985
No requirement
u Any other rear position lamp:[/u]
Visible from a reasonable distance
Seeing as that is where the Manufacturers fit the side lamps , ask them
Land Rover Discovery I & II`s are also in the rear bumper too, unless you change to the later light cluster in the rear quarter panel to add additional side lamps , being as the wiring loom harness already has the side lamp wiring built in.
me head hurts after reading that
truckerbuster:
i saw HATO in a 4x4 on A14 at barrow near bury st eds heading towards cambridge must be the first. Also 2 weeks ago on A14 woolpit a horse box had broken down I kid you NOT a suffolk police volvo estate was pulling it along to some where safe. About a year ago i was talking to a traffic cop and he said suffolk police dont want wombles round here they wont do any thing to help ie get hands dirty changing a pensioners tyre like we do. Congratulations to that cop in that volvo for doing his bit. Also police drivers turn there wheels sharp left hand down HATO dont theres are kept straight.
Itās nice to see the police putting the boot in and having their say!!Itās not that we wonāt change a wheel, weāre not allowed to!! I would love to change the wheel myself as would countless of my colleagues if it means getting the scene clear and free from danger. In this litigation crazy world that we live in, our bosses have forbid us from adopting a hands on stance in case the car whose wheel we have changed crashes further down the network because the wheel wasnāt on tight enough. Imagine the headlines if someone dies because one of us had changed the wheel!! Plus there is also the main recovery agents to contend with. Theyāre not going to be happy if we go round doing the work for nothing that their customers have to pay for!! As for the direction of the wheels, to be perfectly honest, if one of our cars is hit by a 44 tonner straying onto the hard shoulder doing 56mph, our car is going to go in whatever direction the LGV forces it regardless of the position of the wheels!